Salvia: which other substance does it remind you, if any?

[an rud is annamh]

Can I just suggest that most people DO NOT try it in conjunction with a full blown psychedelic like LSD or psilocybin. The majority of people I've seen combine the two have had a disturbing times, acouple of them developing what approximates to PTSD lasting several months to come to terms with

I know this is two years old but I feel like quoting it. I suspect my approximation of depersonalisation/derealisation disorder to salvia probably has something to do with the fact that when I had the disorder (comorbid with HPPD) my panic attacks were bringing up memories of a particularly traumatic LSD+Salvia experience.

Salvia (probably) didn't cause my HPPD, and my official diagnosis did not mention it, but the trauma of a horrifying Salvia experience is deep, real and relivable. It may be non toxic and it won't fry your brain, but the just smell of burning salvia (or any burning mint leaves) after that experience would "set me off" causing me to get shaky legs and feel very anxious, even after I got over my anxiety. I'd never had anxiety before that period, so I was in a world of shit.

As I mentioned I own several salvia plants that I grow for curiosity, but even now if I found out I'd somehow ingested it unknowingly I'd jump out a window to avoid the experience. The original experience is something that took actual therapy before I could mentally revisit it without risking panic - months later.

There's definitely something positive in it for some people and it deserves to be investigated, but for me the "learning experience" was like finding an S&M dungeon in my parent's house, times infinity. I've learned again to love reading threads like this but whatever actually ingesting Salvia Divinorum wants to teach me personally, I don't want to know it.

Did anyone else get a "you are not supposed to be allowed in here" vibe from Salvia?

 

[RhythmSpring]

^ A little bit. I've never broken through, but whenever something strange happens, like I physically merge with the ceiling walls and furniture, or I notice a highway being built across the floor of my room, I am very polite and ready to be apologetic about my presence/interference.

"Um, is it okay that I'm merging with you (the ceiling)? Okay, if you say so."

"I didn't realize you were building a freeway across my floor. I guess that's okay. I'll try not to step on you."

"Oh hey, [inanimate object on my desk] I guess you're conscious. What's up?"

Approach Salvia with the utmost caution and respect, as you would a stern grandmother, and She'll treat/teach you well. Also, don't overdo it.

 

[stumblestoprepeat]

Did anyone else get a "you are not supposed to be allowed in here" vibe from Salvia?

I totally know what you're talking about. The second time I did it, I felt like some great being was slowly stretching me longer and longer, "punishing" me for taking the drug too lightly and using it out of boredom. This continued until it "made it's point" (I completely relinquished myself to it's power in my mind, at the beginning I kind of protested because I didn't consider my usage ENTIRELY recreational) and then I started regaining awareness of the real world around me.

Very weird drug. Don't know if I would be willing to do it again, with so many other more..workable drugs at my disposal.

 

[Fishy80]

Is salvia something ok to save for a while?I've got some 25x I purchased online, and my friend gave me about 2-3 bowls worth of some 100x purple sticky salvia.... I'm honestly scared of the 100x but with salvia in general I have read too much about people having bad trips, and now anxious about taking salvia again, even though I've had 5-6 uncomfortable, but amazing trips... and no bad trips... but I don't want to do something like salvia while being anxious about a bad trip...

to me like a lot of people here are saying, Salvia is like salvia, I haven't tried DMT but as for descriptions it sounds the most similar, smoke the extract, await the near instant RIP from your consciousness into another universe, I've heard DMT is just more visual... but for me it seemed like Salvia took me to another universe, couldn't get much more visual than that for me....

 

[Survived Abortion]

I heard that - according to the mazatecs - the shepherdess does not like to be dried out and smoked. She is prepared to guide you through a wonderful divinatory world, but she likes you to take care of her, and have humility and respect. She likes moisture, not heat and flame. She likes you to abstain from sex for at least three days before your encounter. She likes you to imbibe her leaves orally, and swallow the juice she gives.

 

[mutnat]

^^^^

you're right. people report a much different effect from doing SD the tradfitional way

an rud is annamh>>>
sorry to hear that!

I have read a lot in HPPD forums before they were erased. I have various therories related with psychedlic use and psychological crisis and problems.

I sure noticed the comparison some people did with dissos. Well I haven't ever tried ketamine or dxm, only amanitas and salvia and I can tell you amanitas have reminded me of salvia when in mid-high dose when dissociation began to grow in my head.

The similarity is that all those drugs block the communication of body and mind and only let some minds circuits function. Sure DMT might be more close to lsd than sally is to any other disso. The term dissociative is used in this general meaning and dude, it's not debatable I think.

Salvia also has somewhat anesthetic feel in its effects, while amanita aint got that much of that 'feel'

Did anyone else get a "you are not supposed to be allowed in here" vibe from Salvia?

yep, when I did it after having drunk quite several beers and returning home not having any pot to smoke or when I did more than I should for the occasion. Contrary to than, after only a couple of beers and a joint, in very nice mood, I have had some of the best and euphoric experiences with sally.

Sally certainly is a psychedelic, the set and setting seems to play a much more important role than people realise and among other reasons, that's why people cannot understand salvia, even if they try to. This and of course the overuse of needlessly strong extracts.

LULz 100x is totally stupid and needlessly expensive.

I find 5x would be more than enough for me, I could get easily get amnesiac on just a few 5x , but anyways, people's head differ, I know, but anything near amnesiac with strong extract is a serious overdose, an already strange drug played in fast mostion...

that's why people can't get much from it, I think. plus its not an 'easy' drug.

 

[killermunchies]

Once, when I was on 4 tabs of acid, I ripped a bowl of 20x salvia and hit a nitrous balloon before the salvia kicked in. While it was absolutely insane, it definitely didn't effect me beyond the trip. Not saying that someone else couldn't get messed up from it psychologically, but I was fine. I did hear very clear non-existant voices the rest of the night though.

 

[mutnat]

Hearing voices is not fine, in this occasion it's scientifically called 'drug induced psychosis'. Cool you got out of it fine and there were no residual effects.

Would you do it again????

When people on bluelight that have been through hell and came back say it's dangerous, then it is.

I have heard smoking a bit amanita powder on the peak of a classic psychedelic is interesting in some way and have been wanting to try. And, if I ever tried salvia on mushrooms or lsd, knowing the risk and all, I would sure smoke some plain leaf or chew leaves, not smoke some fucking x20!!!!

 

[FieldTrip]

For me, salvia is like DMT, if DMT didn't care about your feelings. However I fear I may have been a little quick to judge salvia. A lot of people reccomend getting a low extract and doing it regularly in order to build up a sensitivity or reverse tolerance. They feel it's the way to get the most out of salvia.

 

[killermunchies]

Hearing voices is not fine, in this occasion it's scientifically called 'drug induced psychosis'. Cool you got out of it fine and there were no residual effects.

Would you do it again????

When people on bluelight that have been through hell and came back say it's dangerous, then it is.

I have heard smoking a bit amanita powder on the peak of a classic psychedelic is interesting in some way and have been wanting to try. And, if I ever tried salvia on mushrooms or lsd, knowing the risk and all, I would sure smoke some plain leaf or chew leaves, not smoke some fucking x20!!!!

How do you define the difference between auditory hallucinations and drug induced psychosis? In that case, would warping walls and and enhanced colors also be drug induced psychosis? All the whacky things I saw and heard that night occurred during the time the acid was active in my system. As for doing it again, probably not. The reason I did it was to try to discover the limit of what my mind could hallucinate. I wanted to see how crazy it could get. It wasn't particularly pleasant and I knew it wasn't going to be pleasant before I did it, but I'm glad I had the experience. While I wouldn't go and tell someone else to do it with out researching it first, I can say I did it and am only glad that I did.

EDIT: I also should mentioned I had done salvia a handful of times before this so I sort of knew what to expect. It would have been a lot scarier if I had never been to salvia world before.

 

[mutnat]

+1
thanks for your answer

you seem you're a hardhead

how old are you man?

 

[RhythmSpring]

Gonna dig up an old thread, here-

Salvia actually reminds me of Iboga, or the other way around. And it turns out they're both kappa-opioid agonists.
And reduce addictive behavior.

My last Iboga trip was quite "Salviaic," an earthy, hard, dark feel.

Some other similarities include:
Being compelled to lie still and go inward The "story-ness" of reality
Being presented with various windows into different stories/realities
The way in which it deconstructs time
The ability to view one's own thoughts and intentions clearly
The clearheaded, anti-depressant effect, afterwards (I know other psychedelics have this, too, but I find that there are different flavors of afterglows. And Iboga's and Salvia's taste very similar.

 

[drfist]

Last time I did mxe I had some nitrous balloons as well and the deep end of that combo (balloon at the peak of the mxe) really reminded me of salvia. I even said
so to my gf : "wow, I think I can see salvia from up here"
It was like walking into the 'salvia world' but from the other end, I guess, like what can happen with a familiar road looking different than how you remember because you never saw it from that side in before ? If that makes sense.

 

[purplehaze147]

Ketamine/DXM + N2O can be sometimes very similar but much faster and goes more into the space territory. The same "I've been here before" feeling and past memories that don't feel human at all and living a whole lifetime in some other place or being the other place etc.

Exactly. I get the same feeling, I felt like if I was the place of some strange world. Idk its hard to explain lol.

 

[thatdreamer123]

If anything, I'd say similar to mushrooms, at least visually. Mentally i find it more odd than mind-opening like mushrooms, as in you're just thinking so entirely different there isn't a way to really interpret it or apply it.

i.e. My first salvia trip, I smoked it out of a bong at a buddies on 4th of july, and everything just swung to the left and thought salvia was some sort of joke; as in it wasn't really a drug and everyone had been fucking with me. My friend who was also on it laughing I was like "hey man why is your house going like this, where is the button that you pushed?". The hallucinations wree so... Flat and so THERE, that I figured they weren't really hallucinations and it was simply his weird house that would push onto your body and rotate you to the left. Such an odd experience.

The body high is what puts me off, I feel like, if you put down a bunch of chopped wood or other hard uncomfortable surface, laid down on it, and put another layer on top of yourself and the wood on each side like a sandwich rolls in an opposite direction. Mot incredibly violently, but enough to pretty uncomfortable and squished feeling.

I've also noticed, and a lot of other people notice this too, every salvia trip is VERY similar to your other ones. Maybe varying in strength, and I understand it is the same drug and will produce similar effects, but to me it's a very uncanny similarity, almost like a flashback to that world of salvia,