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Salvia Tips?

wtblife said:
I have yet to experience Salvia, I'm thinking bout buying leaves and making the extract myself cause I hate trusting people.



I've never heard someone do that before lol, you take your salvia trips seriously!
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You'll understand when you have your first 'real' salvia trip, one that takes you to another world. Many people don't reach this level with salvia as they don't smoke it properly.
 
nomis said:
Whats the best way to get a good effect via oral ingestion?
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You cant administer salvia orally, but you can chew on the leaf, and the salvinorin a will absorb through your mucus membranes. I never got any noticeable effects from this method, though. Youre supposed to chew on the leafs for a good while until you notice effects. When I tried it, I soaked my dry leafs in water rolled up as many of them as I could into a ball/quid and put it in my mouth. Never tried with extracts.
 
You'll understand when you have your first 'real' salvia trip, one that takes you to another world. Many people don't reach this level with salvia as they don't smoke it properly.
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Well I've done a shit ton of DMT so I know what being taken away is like and I've experienced some terrible trips due to bad surroundings before on other drugs, I was just making a comment. I still can't imagine being as serious about it as you even if it resulted in a nightmarish trip, I'm just not too bright or something idk.
 
Salvia is like what would happen if 5-MeO-DMT and PCP had a baby...

Salvia is darker than 5-MeO-DMT... and I found it hard to get much darker than 5-MeO-DMT...
 
Probably a bad idea to want to experience the darkness, even dph had me a little shaken for a day or two, but it sounds really unique so I have to! Even though I've never tried it I still warn kids from trying it because they think it's just like a strong weed and they're so so far off.

Many people don't reach this level with salvia as they don't smoke it properly.
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I try to explain this exact thing to people cause what most young people describe as a salvia trip is not one at all. It sounds like a DMT that fucks with more of the real world in an often dark way. DMT doesn't usually use much of the real world if at all imo although I've only done elf spice which is a pretty pleasant experience, never 5-meo.
 
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I should probably buy another bong one of these days, sold my old one cause I was a tweaker which lessened my desire to smoke and I wanted the money. Sold it to a friend anyway so I could just smoke with him when I wanted, but now I live in a different state and don't know anyone with a bong.
 
Stickk said:
Hey, I'm going to be smoking salvia for the second time now and I was just wondering if any of you Bluelighters had any tips. The first time I smoked it, they were just standard Salvia D leaves and I didn't get much of an effect. This time I'll be smoking 10X. All advice is welcome.
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The more you do it, the easier it is to get into the Salvia world. Since this is your first time, you'll might just get an intense body buzz. I don't do it anymore, but my first time was 10x and at first I'd feel warm but it was completely stupid. After a few times, I did it and it felt like everything was bouncing up, falling down, and I felt like I was in a pink carnival. It wasn't really a trip, more like a really strong high. I tried it again a few times, but the effects were usually unimpressive, so I moved up to 20x. At first, I'd get artificial effects like choppy vision, small vision, flashing vision, etc, but then it changed into being carried by beings, brought to Lady Salvia ('god'), basically feeling like I'm part of that world and entering it immediately after smoking rather than having to experience all of the trippy but uninteresting effects first, or not 'entering' at all.

I eventually had a taste of what were probably salvia-induced symptoms psychosis as well as depression, but it didn't get bad. Just because it's a plant, it can still destroy you, so be careful. I remember a few times when I thought I might go crazy from salvia, but the feeling rarely lasted beyond an hour.
 
Lady Salvia
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Lol, you must be the one who's post I read, makes me lawl every time I read that. I keep imaging some queen type figure being carried around by her servants or sitting in her throne.
 
1. I vastly prefer sublingual liquid extract... whereas smoking is like "WTF was all that crap???", liquid sublingual provides something MUCH closer to the original form of use, guided by the Shamen, which was sucking on quids of fresh leaves.. In my experience, it comes on slower so you have more of a chance to really OBSERVE the stages of what is happening to your consciousness; and it lasts alot longer. It can still be as strong as you want, depending on the strength of the extract you use and how long you hold it in your mouth. Rinse your mouth out first with Listerine-style mouthwash, as both alcohol and menthol increase the permeability of oral tissues.

2. I have found that extreme QUIET, calm and stillness of the body greatly aids the ability to enter the "trance state," whether liquid or smoke is used. Other people making noise, being jostled around, moving the limbs, active music other than very spacey stuff... for me cause the delicate process of slipping between the dimensions to fracture like a soap bubble... absolute quiet and stillness of your body after/during dosing for me greatly enhanced and deepened the effects. This is not pot where you are just trying to be "high" during normal events... you are trying to initiate a very special and rareified trance-like state of consciousness... quiet and stillness prevent it from being shattered and allow it to pull you in... it's not scary, its what you WANT to happen to really let it teach you.

3. LSD greatly and fantastically synergizes with salvia. On this combo, I thought I was an American Indian youth being awakened from a vision-trance by an old shaman blowingn the salvia smoke into my lungs in order to wake me up... during the vision-trance the Indian me had imagined/envisioned THE ENTIRE WESTERN 20TH CENTURY WORLD/HISTORY/TECHNOLOGY AND MY ENTIRE PRETEND-LIFE WITHIN IT as a learning experience... it all evaporated as I remembered my REAL life as an Indian on the plains... but then Shaman stopped blowing the salvia smoke prematurely before I was totally awake and I fell back into my imaginary trance of this wacky 20th century world we appear to be in. It was so real, I still think THAT might possibly have been real, and all THIS crap might be the dream... we can only hope!
 
phew said:
When I first started Salvia and closed my eyes, it would always be the most confusing thing. So confusing that to this day I have trouble making sense of it.

Salvia gives you the feeling that you're supposed to know something or say something about what you're experiencing. You get this sense of deja vu, like seeing the theme of a cartoon you're very familiar with, but you just can't remember the name or where you remember watching it.

Oh! The most important thing I remember is that I always wanted to tell someone about it. This is the strongest mental effect I would get, all the time. Even my own mother. I would think to myself: "I have to call a friend and tell them about this! I've discovered the secret!" But I usually wouldn't understand how to go and tell them. Getting up and walking around became a profound thing.

Salvia beats out diphenhydramine in terms of sheer confusion.

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It's like you had amnesia your entire life about the most important experience and Salvia is bringing it back, but just as soon as it comes, it goes... and you're left wondering what that was all about.

It's so confusing, no amount of text can convey this.

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However, when you break through, the confusion disappears ans you just experience everything as is. There is no "you" so the experience appears in all its majesty without the annoyance of attempting to make sense of it.

When you arrive, the confusion is very brief and you just remember "Wow, that was one hell of a trip."
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that pretty much describes the theme of every salvia trip ive ever had. especially the whole amnesia part. its as if you come out of the experience and theres no way you could possibly put the experience into words even though it made perfect sense only moments earlier when you were in that state
 
nativenick said:
that pretty much describes the theme of every salvia trip ive ever had. especially the whole amnesia part. its as if you come out of the experience and theres no way you could possibly put the experience into words even though it made perfect sense only moments earlier when you were in that state
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Yea, I LOVE that aspect of Salvia... very intense Deja Vous... it SO feels like:

"Oh yea! I remember this now! I had gotten all wrapped up in "life" and totally forgot that THIS is where I really came from... THIS is what's truly real... it is "normal life" that is the kooky imaginary dream... THIS is the eternity that I REALLY belong too... Wheee, feels so good to be home again! <giggle>"

Does anyone think maybe this is somehow true? That this normal "reality" is just some kind of consensus dream we are all engaged in for purposes of "stability", and that REALLY we are all the infinitely malleable totally flighty free pure spirits we seem to be while in the Salvia trance? I do wonder sometimes. Am I nuts?
 
DwayneHoover said:
Yea, I LOVE that aspect of Salvia... very intense Deja Vous... it SO feels like:

"Oh yea! I remember this now! I had gotten all wrapped up in "life" and totally forgot that THIS is where I really came from... THIS is what's truly real... it is "normal life" that is the kooky imaginary dream... THIS is the eternity that I REALLY belong too... Wheee, feels so good to be home again! <giggle>"

Does anyone think maybe this is somehow true? That this normal "reality" is just some kind of consensus dream we are all engaged in for purposes of "stability", and that REALLY we are all the infinitely malleable totally flighty free pure spirits we seem to be while in the Salvia trance? I do wonder sometimes. Am I nuts?
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You're not nuts. What makes you think that everyone but you in this world (solar system, galaxy, ad infinitum...) isn't just imagined? As far as it should matter, the world exists for you and ends with you. Do what you will.

Salvia's really affected me. I have trouble playing "The Game" (life) now. I'd never struggled with existence or the meaning of life before Salvia but now I've hit rock-bottom; knowing that nothing is of consequence in the end. We all "know" and say "Yeah, man - once you die, that's it!" but not being able to ignore or forget this truth really hurts. I wish I could shrug it off as enjoyable or imagined/hallucinated like most people from trip reports... :|
 
wtblife said:
I have yet to experience Salvia, I'm thinking bout buying leaves and making the extract myself cause I hate trusting people.



I've never heard someone do that before lol, you take your salvia trips seriously!
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Just buy it from the hemp stores where you live :S
I'm confused as to why trust would be an issue.
Go to store. Ask clerk for 30x salvia. Pack in bong. Torch with torch lighter, hauling SLOW so you get lots of smoke. Hold that in until the room starts spinning. Exhale. Blast off. Have fun.
 
From personal experience, two things can make a HUGE difference in salvia's power level:

1) The bong you use. If you use a triple-filtered water bong with a bubbler and percolator, you'll be able to hold in way more smoke for way longer, and
2) A torch lighter. Salvia activates at a high temp, so a torch lighter is recommended to get the best effect.

I followed some of the advice given in this thread (double-hit of 0.1g of 10x extract), except with the two above factors in play. The result was a full-blown breakthrough and an absolutely nightmarish experience (that I've detailed over in the Trip Reports forum if you want to check it out). So the double-hit strategy , I suspect, is not for salvia lit by torch lighter and smoked through a bong that lets you inhale till your lungs are full and hold it for thirty seconds :P

Also, HAVE A SITTER. Even if you are very experienced with psychedelics, if you have a salvia breakthrough, you will get up and wander around completely oblivious to your surroundings. I broke a lamp and strode through shards of glass barefoot for five minutes while trying to escape the alien trash compactor I found myself trapped in (miraculously without hurting myself, see abovementioned trip report). Good thing about salvia-sitting is that you can take turns, since the trip only lasts a few minutes. Check out YouTube videos of how people behave on salvia; look for the ones where the person is walking around in a fugue. Then imagine what would have happened if that person was alone :P
 
i have only smoked one bowl of salvia, but it was in a pipe and i only had a normal lighter.
all i got was a slight edgy feeling that felt scarey and made me think i dont want to go there
wherever there is so have been really wary of trying it again.
but what im wandering is is it similar to ket when you do get there
 
I plan to try Salvia extract orally soon.

I've found conflicting reports on whether a smaller dose (smaller than breatkthrough point) has any kind of interest. Seems like some people find that difficult where as some others report a different but good experience. What do you think?

I'm also interested in any similarities with LSA. I've had a massive trip on it in the past and seems to me like some of the things reported about salvia trips are very similar. Anyone who's tried both of them can compare?

Any ideas on what you consider a good sitter to be for a salvia trip would also be appreciated! :)
 
k.kat said:
i have only smoked one bowl of salvia, but it was in a pipe and i only had a normal lighter.
all i got was a slight edgy feeling that felt scarey and made me think i dont want to go there
wherever there is so have been really wary of trying it again.
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It CAN be horrifying (it was for me), but I've also heard very credible people explain salvia as the most positively life-changing experience they've had on psychedelics. So it's a risk/reward sort of thing. You really want a sitter though.

k.kat said:
but what im wandering is is it similar to ket when you do get there
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Nope. Not at all. On ket, you're knocked out and everything that's happening is in your head (at least for me). It's a tranquilizer, after all. But on a breakthrough salvia trip? YOU are there, as you put it, "wherever there is." Not your mind, but YOU. You walk around your room, bang into things, break lamps, whatever, fully acting out the experience, fully oblivious to the real world.

Keep in mind this is a first-time salvia user posting in the wake of a mind-destroying breakthrough nightmare trip from hell. I think it was because I did WAAAAAY too much, but I bet breaking a lamp and plunging my room into sudden darkness did not help.

So, use a torch lighter, a nice smoke-cooling bong, and ONE hit of 0.1g standardized 10x salvia extract. Do NOT go two hits with a torch lighter + smoke cooler; I really think that's what made the difference, and some post-research I've done supports this. You vaporize more active compound, are able to take in MUCH more, and for MUCH longer. If you're using a pipe or a more conventional bong that forces you to cough, or a bic lighter, then yeah, you might need a double-hitter, but good Lord have a sitter just in case :P

You know how you hear stories about people jumping out windows on acid/shrooms and you're all "wtf, I never thought I could fly even on my hardest trips"? A salvia breakthrough can transport you fully and entirely to another world, completely obliterating any capacity for rational thought of any kind in the process. And if that world is scary, with only a single door to escape through... well, all I'm saying is that door better not be the window of your sixth floor apartment :P

Xochiquetzal said:
I've found conflicting reports on whether a smaller dose (smaller than breatkthrough point) has any kind of interest. Seems like some people find that difficult where as some others report a different but good experience. What do you think?
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I think that a salvia breakthrough is what you should aim for: That is, after all, the point of it. I read that starting off too low does little more than create apprehension for trying a higher dose. If you have a sitter, you'll be fine (and even the most harrowing salvia trips only last a few minutes).


Xochiquetzal said:
I'm also interested in any similarities with LSA.
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I'm not familiar with LSA... if it's similar to LSD, then no, nothing like LSD (well, maybe a mega-dose, but nothing close to what I've tried). On any other psychedelic, I was at least vaguely aware of where I was, and able to stay lying down.

Xochiquetzal said:
Any ideas on what you consider a good sitter to be for a salvia trip would also be appreciated! :)
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You want one person, maybe two, who you trust and who can be trusted to REMAIN QUIET unless you need reassurance. They shouldn't touch you unless necessary, which could well be the case if you start wandering around in an aimless fugue. Watch any YouTube video of a salvia trip for tips on what sitters should NOT do. I'm tempted to say that you want someone capable of restraining you if necessary, but I think you're actually fairly uncoordinated and easy to maneuver even if you are freaking out. (More experienced psychonauts can correct me if I'm wrong here; but regardless, two people should be able to handle you unless you're a brick shithouse.)

The good thing about salvia-sitting is that you can take turns, since each trip only lasts 15-20 mins. (Afterwards? Several hours of group therapy :P )
 
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