safe halcion dosage, first time use

[kokaino]

IMO, conversion charts are complete nonsense with benzos. more so with halcion than any other benzo.

but i would wait to take .25 at once. that is a great first time dose. though i bet a lot you will be disappointed. not because halcion doesn't kick ass, but just because.

edit:
hold under your tongue. makes a big difference with halcion. especially at a slightly smaller dose like .25mg. kicks in faster than any other benzo i have done; makes xanax look like a slowpoke.

Give me a good reason why conversions charts for benzos are complete nonsense?

FYI, temazepam is the most rapidly absorbed and quickest acting benzodiazepine according to a British study, and several others which corroborated it. It's just that the capsules (especially in Restoril form) severely hamper their quick action. Restoril is the LEAST recreational form of temazepam there is in the world.

Ask the people in Europe about the gel-caps or the tablets and how fast they kick in.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

Give me a good reason why conversions charts for benzos are complete nonsense?

FYI, temazepam is the most rapidly absorbed and quickest acting benzodiazepine according to a British study, and several others which corroborated it. It's just that the capsules (especially in Restoril form) severely hamper their quick action. Restoril is the LEAST recreational form of temazepam there is in the world.

Ask the people in Europe about the gel-caps or the tablets and how fast they kick in.

Wouldn't the tablets hamper the quick action more so than the capsules? Or no? How come? Curious whether capsules or tablets would kick in quicker. Never thought about it, I just was under the impression capsules would be quicker than tablets, could be wrong.

 

[kokaino]

IMO, conversion charts are complete nonsense with benzos. more so with halcion than any other benzo.

but i would wait to take .25 at once. that is a great first time dose. though i bet a lot you will be disappointed. not because halcion doesn't kick ass, but just because.

edit:
hold under your tongue. makes a big difference with halcion. especially at a slightly smaller dose like .25mg. kicks in faster than any other benzo i have done; makes xanax look like a slowpoke.

Give me a good reason why conversions charts for benzos are complete nonsense?

FYI, temazepam is the most rapidly absorbed and quickest acting benzodiazepine according to a British study, and several others which corroborated it. It's just that the capsules (especially in Restoril form) severely hamper their quick action. Restoril is the LEAST recreational form of temazepam there is in the world.

Benzodiazepines are generally thought to be safe in overdose. Death after admission is rare and due to respiratory depression with aspiration of gastric contents. Over 10 years in the United Kingdom, however, 1512 fatal poisonings have been attributed to benzodiazepines with or without alcohol. These were compared with prescription data to establish a fatal toxicity index (deaths per million prescriptions) for each benzodiazepine. Similar indices have been derived for antidepressants and barbiturates. There were clear differences between benzodiazepines. Of drugs frequently prescribed, temazepam had the highest number of deaths per million prescriptions at 11.9 (95% confidence interval 10.9 to 12.8 ); above that of some tricyclic antidepressants.3 4 In contrast, oxazepam had an index of 2.3 (1.2 to 3.4), and the index for all benzodiazepines combined was 5.7. In the same British study the fatal toxicity index (deaths per million prescriptions) for alprazolam was 5.9 compared to 4.0 for diazepam. Nitrazepam had a fatal toxicity index of 7.6, while flunitrazepam had 8.3 and oxazepam 2.3.

The reason for temazepam's unusually high toxicity index (higher than some tricyclic antidepressants and similar to some barbiturates) is because of it's rapid absorption and cerebral uptake.

Source

Ask the people in Europe about the gel-caps or the tablets and how fast they kick in.

 

[kokaino]

Wouldn't the tablets hamper the quick action more so than the capsules? Or no? How come? Curious whether capsules or tablets would kick in quicker. Never thought about it, I just was under the impression capsules would be quicker than tablets, could be wrong.

Read my updated post.

Well the capsules (Restoril caps) are hard capsules, I think they were purposely designed that way to curb temazepam's unusually high fatal toxicity index. The tablets in Europe are tiny things, they would dissolve very quickly I'm guessing and work quicker than the capsules. The gel-caps, well they were a different story altogether as you know.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

Gotcha, so does the size of tablets have anything to do with how quick a drug kicks in? Curious.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

Give me a good reason why conversions charts for benzos are complete nonsense?

FYI, temazepam is the most rapidly absorbed and quickest acting benzodiazepine according to a British study, and several others which corroborated it. It's just that the capsules (especially in Restoril form) severely hamper their quick action. Restoril is the LEAST recreational form of temazepam there is in the world.

^i dont know anything about temazepam, but i believe you. i should have said "of the benzos i have taken."

the charts are nonsense because it is too subjective and even trying to be general they say ridiculous things like triazolam and kpin are equipotent. 2mg of kpin is a pretty reasonable starting dose IMO; imagine starting with 2mg of halcion. or even one.

 

[kokaino]

^i dont know anything about temazepam, but i believe you. i should have said "of the benzos i have taken."

the charts are nonsense because it is too subjective and even trying to be general they say ridiculous things like triazolam and kpin are equipotent. 2mg of kpin is a pretty reasonable starting dose IMO; imagine starting with 2mg of halcion. or even one.

You're right in that triazolam and clonazepam or alprazolam are NOT equipotent. Triazolam is 2x more potent than both. Brotizolam, a relatively little known benzo, may be even more potent than triazolam - but we don't know for sure. As of right now, they are said to be equipotent.

The old Ashton Manual chart is not only outdated, but it was made for withdrawal conversions.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

Triazolam is 2x more potent than both.

yes, well i would disagree with even that. but where is this going? use the charts. not a terrible starting place, but placing too much trust in them could result in a unplanned but pleasant nap.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

You're right in that triazolam and clonazepam or alprazolam are NOT equipotent. Triazolam is 2x more potent than both. Brotizolam, a relatively little known benzo, may be even more potent than triazolam - but we don't know for sure. As of right now, they are said to be equipotent.

The old Ashton Manual chart is not only outdated, but it was made for withdrawal conversions.

But most all other benzodiazepine doses are similar in charts. Triazolam seems to be the only one I notice. I've seen old charts that compare 0.25mg Clonazepam = 0.5mg Alprazolam = 0.5mg Triazolam

 

[kokaino]

Mg for mg, yes it's only 2x as potent, but because it's an hypnotic - its effects are much more amplified so it feels like it's more potent than 2x. But mg for mg by weight, it is only 2x as potent. All pharmacopeia's seem to agree on that.

 

[kokaino]

But most all other benzodiazepine doses are similar in charts. Triazolam seems to be the only one I notice. I've seen old charts that compare 0.25mg Clonazepam = 0.5mg Alprazolam = 0.5mg Triazolam

There's noway clonazepam is more potent than triazolam and alprazolam is not more potent either. The most potent benzos are triazolam/brotizolam, which ever comes first and second, then alprazolam and then clonazepam. It's how I've seen it.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

There's noway clonazepam is more potent than triazolam and alprazolam is not more potent either. The most potent benzos are triazolam/brotizolam, which ever comes first and second, then alprazolam and then clonazepam. It's how I've seen it.

I see clonazepam as being stronger than alprazolam. Not as potent as triazolam on a mg to mg basis, although I prefer clonazepam over both. My favorite benzodiazepine, temazepam is fourty times weaker.

 

[Mad benzo head]

I know this is old . But I there is some bad info on here.
Higher tamazepam deaths compared to other benzos wasn't to do with anything bar the fact it was the main choice Benzo to IV for obvious reasons.

 

[pillman1224]

.25 no problem if you just want some sleep that is. just so you know a benzo OD as in overdose is EXTREMELY uncommon. i read an old thread where someone took 40mg of xanax as a suicide attempt all they did was sleep for a good bit. but now their tolerance is fucked.

 

[pillman1224]

thats why most people i know including myself dump the powder out of the capsule before ingestion.

 

[pillman1224]

I see clonazepam as being stronger than alprazolam. Not as potent as triazolam on a mg to mg basis, although I prefer clonazepam over both. My favorite benzodiazepine, temazepam is fourty times weaker.

that is only on a mg for mg basis though