Overstim started when I made these chsnges: 1000mg of sabroxy in am (instead of 500mg) added coq10, panax ginseng and an energy supplement with: Guarana Extract (22% Caffeine), Panax Ginseng, Taurine, L-Theanine, Caffeine (Extended Release).
Overstim wouldn't be bad if it had some euphoria, but I am amazed at how stimulated I get just from these supplements.
Those are in addition to my daily stack which included dopa mucuna, oxiracetam, choline source, l-tyrosine, b12, fish oil, cordyceps, magnesium glycinate, and generic multivitamin.
Seems to be consensus in reddit to use caffeine and Panamax or panax with sabroxy.
Sabroxy by itself may not be as stimulating for some. But a couple of my friends tried it that are take prescribed stims daily and they said they even like it on its own but that's at doses of 500mg.
Also i might not need that much panax. But ive dosed panax 2-3xs a day in past and helped with energy levels.
I will be replacing the caffeine/energy supp, many ppl get jittery from it and I only got it bc I needed a natural caffeine source, since quitting coffee, and it had panax and supps I thought would enhance the sabroxy.
Switching to the dr best enery-coq10, NADH, b12. Looking into other multisupps that include what I take. Lift mode has an interesting one.
Also adding L-phenylalanine and possible other multisupps of things im already taking so I don't have to take so many caps.
Switching to NALT instead of l-tyrosine. Don't see reason to discontinue dopa mucuna, almost feels more releasing or relaxing than stim.
Also curious if yohimbe in my stack would = less sabroxy. Yohimbe and oroxylin a and a bunch of other good stuff is in mood lift lift modec supp. Wonder if anyone has had luck with it.
So far I'd choose sabroxy over vyvanse due to anxiety, tolerance, and personality changes. But id also choose ritalin over vyvanse which I know isn't a popular consensus.
I also feel that kratom synergies better with sabroxy than vyvanse.
For ref, klonipin was my holy grail med, didnt need antidepressants or other meds. It made me feel normal, had energy and could function. Although I was usually prescribed ritalin while on benzos, but I hated Xanax and lorazepam.
Probably also y I like sabroxy and kratom.
But I do have cfs and extremely bad anxiety that both majorly affect my life which is why I'd like to try pure oroxylin A, but can't find it and hope that someday someone creates the phenoxyflavone derivative.
Really hope to some day switch to all natural or at least mostly natural supplements and not be reliant on and support big pharma.