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Russell Brand... your thoughts?

Sipping on a Phenazepam PG mixture around the clock for about 3 months, put me into pretty much of a Fugue state for the duration.

I think it must have been fun at first, but things clearly must have gotten out of hand, PDQ.

Just about all I can recall from that period is getting a visit from 3 police officers, just because I'd shouted at a neighbours cat to move, as it was blocking my route to my front door, one day when I was on my bike returning home.

I still don't think that was such a terrible thing to do, certainly not enough to warrant a visit from 3 police persons, (If I'd had a bell or horn on my bike, I'd have used that, but I only had my voice. What else was I meant to do? Ride straight at the cat, and just hope it would move? Or telepathically magic it out of my way!?) Maybe it was my general demeanor during that period / at that time. :unsure: Or something along those lines..... Actually I think the neigbours lied, IIRC, and I'm not at all sure that I do, and said that I'd tried to run their cat over, which I'd never have done, no matter how phenazzed I was!)

I also recall getting warned from a pretty heavy looking guy about something else I had done to someone else, which I definitely agree was totally out of order (involving queue jumping in a very cocky manner), and the guy saying something like I wouldn't be still standing if I'd done that to him.

All in all, it was not an experience to be repeated. I found moderation of my levels of consumption to be difficult / verging on impossible to control, and I was almost certainly very lucky that nothing much worse happened during that period. Either involving getting myself arrested or beaten up, or getting myself hospitalised because of some kind of accident or other.. Which are not really outcomes that would otherwise stand a very high chance of happening to me. As while I'd never claim my judgement in every situation is perfect, and that I always conduct myself perfectly, my heavy consumption of phenazepam had a pretty severely negative impact on me in those regards.)

I think all that was narrative that I created afterwards, when some more clarity returned, as a way of making sense of what had happened.
 
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@Bleaney - AFAIK UK law does not recognize intoxication due to unprescribed medication as a defence in law. Over 50% of offences are commited by people 'under the influence' of something.

I too am glad you were given the 'quiet word'. Benzos are infamous for adversely altering a person's personality. Honestly, I've watched someone eat a handful of eggs, decide they were 'invisible' and walked naked into an electronics outlet and try to pick up and walk of with a top-end camcorder.

It just LOOKED so bizarre.

But I was given to understand that in this case drugs were not involved. I may be wrong, I wasn't in the court room and haven't obtained a transcript yet. But admission wouldn't really help a defendent unless it was a low-level aquisitive crime to fund addiction. In such cases refer to HR unit either inside or outside of a jail, depending if the convicted was a 'frequent flyer'.
 
4DQSAR said:
Odd, not a single post for almost a decade, then since May, a handful.

If that was a temorary ban, boy, just how many times were they demaning others play 'Simon says' with them?
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It's my understanding that a certain group of degenerate fuck ups from here were messing with his real life job/family (something I'm all too familiar with but thankfully ppl like that aren't generally long for this world).
 
It was an obvious political hit job done by the EU/globalist to push their agenda against who they call the "far right." They have a massive problem with muslim rape gangs and 2 tier policing that the mainstream media almost never talks about because muslim immigrants = good and "far right" = bad. The BBC quoted a study that 1400 young girls in Rotherham had been abused by these rape gangs back in 2014. Hardly any of the abusers were ever caught and prosecuted. I can only imagine how out of control it is currently. According to the media a rape that may or may not have happened 20 years ago is a bigger story then young girls being raped by immigrants the UK welcomed into the country on the tax payers dime. Why would Russel Brand rape, when women are throwing themselves at him? For those who do not know, there are a lot of women who fantasize about some freaky shit. He could of got consent from women to roleplay a rape and he probably did. Now those same women have been weaponized by the government to claim they were raped.
 
TheplugsPLUG said:
It was an obvious political hit job done by the EU/globalist to push their agenda against who they call the "far right." They have a massive problem with muslim rape gangs and 2 tier policing that the mainstream media almost never talks about because muslim immigrants = good and "far right" = bad. The BBC quoted a study that 1400 young girls in Rotherham had been abused by these rape gangs back in 2014. Hardly any of the abusers were ever caught and prosecuted. I can only imagine how out of control it is currently. According to the media a rape that may or may not have happened 20 years ago is a bigger story then young girls being raped by immigrants the UK welcomed into the country on the tax payers dime. Why would Russel Brand rape, when women are throwing themselves at him? For those who do not know, there are a lot of women who fantasize about some freaky shit. He could of got consent from women to roleplay a rape and he probably did. Now those same women have been weaponized by the government to claim they were raped.
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you're conflating different problems to make a political point, and at the same time questioning the verdict of a correctly run trial which I strongly suspect you don't know the details of, this is massively disingenuous on the victims, their suffering isn't a political point scoring opportunity. Regardless of the context each crime should be handled specifically based on the case, law, and sentencing guidelines that have been set out.

the job of the judicatory is to implement the law fairly and consistently regardless of race, politics or fame. The job of the police is to catch law breakers with the same fairness. If either aren't doing their job correctly then that needs to be addressed as a specific problem.

In the UK there is explicit separation of politics from judicial matters to ensure independence, if politicians think the system isn't working the way it should they are able to propose changes to the law to address, and/or overhaul the system to ensure it meets the standards that have been set out.

How the media choose to report on different cases is another point entirely - independence again is very important, however sadly commercial mainstream media are simply often driven by clicks, even the BBC tend to have a bias towards "public interest" which has a similar effect.

So no, Brand wasn't role playing, these women weren't politically motivated to speak out, the jury, judge, CPS, and police are not all coordinated by the government to fuck him over because they hate him more than Muslims. He was found guilty of a crime based on a fair and independent trial (where each victim was cross examined in court on consensual acts they did with Brand), he's been sentenced accordingly within current guidelines. The same should be done for all those involved in the atrocities that happened in Rotherham too.

"he could have gotten consent to role play rape" and "lots of women fantasize about being raped" is all just circumstantial BS denier opinion, the court isn't stupid, there is no "claim" of rape by these women, Brand has been found guilty of rape, he raped these women.
 
DARVO

Deny. Attack. Reverse Victim and Offender.

Deny: The person flatly denies that the harmful behavior or event ever happened. They may also minimize it ("It wasn't that big a deal") or use gaslighting to make victim doubt own memory.
Attack: Instead of addressing the issue, the person attacks the credibility, character, or motives of the person confronting them. They might call victim a liar, crazy, overly sensitive, or malicious.
Reverse Victim and Offender: The person flips the script and claims they are the real victim. They position themselves as the injured party and paint victim as the abuser or aggressor.

D-list budhindchristian notes that Qanon was a stonking success and that reactance and false balance are appealing to those who are subject to conformation bias i.e. those who ignore any evidence that doesn't align with their prejudice because admission of fault causes cognative disonnance (often termed 'inconvenient truth') is a definite demographic driven by three core human weaknesses,

1. Epistemic Needs (Understanding & Certainty)
Humans are wired to look for patterns, cause-and-effect, and meaning. Random, chaotic, or complex events create discomfort (cognitive dissonance), which conspiracy theories instantly resolve

Rejecting randomness: It feels easier to accept that a hidden, powerful group caused a major crisis than to accept that devastating things happen by chance.
Proportionality bias: People naturally assume big events must have big, intentional causes rather than small, accidental ones.
Clear narratives: Conspiracy theories offer neat, non-falsifiable answers when official explanations are evolving or incomplete.

2. Existential Needs (Safety & Control)
When people feel anxious, powerless, or threatened by their environment, they seek ways to regain a sense of agency.

Illusion of control: Believing you have uncovered a "secret plot" makes you feel alert and protected against hidden dangers.
Identifying a concrete villain: Blaming a specific cabal or institution turns a vague, uncontrollable fear (like a pandemic or economic crash) into a tangible enemy you can theoretically fight or avoid.
Crisis triggers: Spikes in conspiratorial belief reliably follow wars, elections, natural disasters, and rapid social change when personal control feels lowest.

3. Social Needs (Belonging & Status)
Humans need to feel valued by others and maintain a positive image of themselves and their social group.
Special status ("Need for Uniqueness"): Knowing "the truth" while 99% of people are "asleep" provides a boost in self-esteem and intellectual superiority.
In-group bonding: Online communities and echo chambers offer instant camaraderie to people who feel isolated, ostracised, or ignored by mainstream institutions.
Defending group identity: When a person's political, cultural, or social group faces criticism or defeat, conspiracy theories allow them to frame their side as the righteous victim of a rigged system.


Conclusion:
One needs to accept the world is big, complex and scary for all of us. None of us are 'special' and the need for external validation from digital media where anyone can claim anything is self-defeating.

Never forget - stupidity abhors a vacuum.
 
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4DQSAR said:
DARVO

Deny. Attack. Reverse Victim and Offender.

Deny: The person flatly denies that the harmful behavior or event ever happened. They may also minimize it ("It wasn't that big a deal") or use gaslighting to make victim doubt own memory.
Attack: Instead of addressing the issue, the person attacks the credibility, character, or motives of the person confronting them. They might call victim a liar, crazy, overly sensitive, or malicious.
Reverse Victim and Offender: The person flips the script and claims they are the real victim. They position themselves as the injured party and paint victim as the abuser or aggressor.

D-list budhindchristian notes that Qanon was a stonking success and that reactance and false balance are appealing to those who are subject to conformation bias i.e. those who ignore any evidence that doesn't align with their prejudice because admission of fault causes cognative disonnance (often termed 'inconvenient truth') is a definite demographic driven by three core human weaknesses,

1. Epistemic Needs (Understanding & Certainty)
Humans are wired to look for patterns, cause-and-effect, and meaning. Random, chaotic, or complex events create discomfort (cognitive dissonance), which conspiracy theories instantly resolve

Rejecting randomness: It feels easier to accept that a hidden, powerful group caused a major crisis than to accept that devastating things happen by chance.
Proportionality bias: People naturally assume big events must have big, intentional causes rather than small, accidental ones.
Clear narratives: Conspiracy theories offer neat, non-falsifiable answers when official explanations are evolving or incomplete.

2. Existential Needs (Safety & Control)
When people feel anxious, powerless, or threatened by their environment, they seek ways to regain a sense of agency.

Illusion of control: Believing you have uncovered a "secret plot" makes you feel alert and protected against hidden dangers.
Identifying a concrete villain: Blaming a specific cabal or institution turns a vague, uncontrollable fear (like a pandemic or economic crash) into a tangible enemy you can theoretically fight or avoid.
Crisis triggers: Spikes in conspiratorial belief reliably follow wars, elections, natural disasters, and rapid social change when personal control feels lowest.

3. Social Needs (Belonging & Status)
Humans need to feel valued by others and maintain a positive image of themselves and their social group.
Special status ("Need for Uniqueness"): Knowing "the truth" while 99% of people are "asleep" provides a boost in self-esteem and intellectual superiority.
In-group bonding: Online communities and echo chambers offer instant camaraderie to people who feel isolated, ostracised, or ignored by mainstream institutions.
Defending group identity: When a person's political, cultural, or social group faces criticism or defeat, conspiracy theories allow them to frame their side as the righteous victim of a rigged system.


Conclusion:
One needs to accept the world is big, complex and scary for all of us. None of us are 'special' and the need for external validation from digital media where anyone can claim anything is self-defeating.

Never forget - stupidity abhors a vacuum.
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All spot on - but re the bolded bit at the top it's incredible how common that is
 
Regardless of what he knows, and whats true, he's still responsible for being a rapist. I think everyone wants a conspiracy, but sometimes the scumbag is really a scum bag. This guy has too mNy incidents with too much details
 
TheplugsPLUG said:
It was an obvious political hit job done by the EU/globalist to push their agenda against who they call the "far right." They have a massive problem with muslim rape gangs and 2 tier policing that the mainstream media almost never talks about because muslim immigrants = good and "far right" = bad. The BBC quoted a study that 1400 young girls in Rotherham had been abused by these rape gangs back in 2014. Hardly any of the abusers were ever caught and prosecuted. I can only imagine how out of control it is currently. According to the media a rape that may or may not have happened 20 years ago is a bigger story then young girls being raped by immigrants the UK welcomed into the country on the tax payers dime. Why would Russel Brand rape, when women are throwing themselves at him? For those who do not know, there are a lot of women who fantasize about some freaky shit. He could of got consent from women to roleplay a rape and he probably did. Now those same women have been weaponized by the government to claim they were raped.
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You think this was a 'political hitjob'??

Rape is notoriously tough to catch and prosecute --- usually takes some time and repeat offenses.

Why would russel brand rape is crazy question -- why would anyone, muslims included rape.... It isn't a matter of 'getting chicks' usually from my (admittedly limited) knowledge of abnormal psychology.
( I skimmed those chapters some of that ish was too weird for me to care to understand )
 
Rape has precious little to do with sex, it’s all about power and control. Even a cursory knowledge of Brand’s life suggests this fits him to a tee.

More stories are still coming out (his ex-girlfriend Jemima (?) Khan being one) even since the verdict. Katy Perry also publicly discussed deeply disturbing behaviour.

The man is simply a deviant who finally got caught - his own defence said he did it ffs 8o
 
I previous mentioned 'The Dark Triad' but it seemed to go unremarked.

Narcissism, Machiavellianism, and Psychopathy

Where in the triangle a person may be will be unique to that case.

I mentioned it because DECADES before any legal charges were framed, they were NOT hidden traits.

I hope I was fair, I noted that heritability and upbringing both play there part so RB was dealt a bad hand. However, fame was likely what 'fixed' those traits as the associated behaviors were allowed, overlooked, forgiven, excused. But point to ONE example where rather than admit fault, it was ALWAYS something else. The alcohol, the drug addictions, the sex addiction - never HIM.

I've only ever seen the inside of a British prison from the perspective of a vistor and what those I visited told me. But taking away ALL power, ALL individuality and ALL freedoms will be far harsher on someone inside the dark triad, If only because failing to engage with forensic psychiatrists to whom patients within the dark triad are not particulaly rare could potentially see him serving the entire ten and a half years.

Failing to engage or worse, pretence of engagement would prejudice any parole board (who WILL read a pychiatric report) and in theory even after ten and a half years parole could STILL be refused.

Psycopathy is the most refractive attibute to treat but it IS possible but IS dependent on a wish to change.

If you know anyone who has served a long term in prison - ask THEM. The system is honed to deal with whatever choices the convict makes. Want to attack the screws, fine, you end up on the seg and get a decade added to the sentence. It isn't really optimized to treat personaliy disorders but is the final sanction - that person is removed from society.
 
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