Russel Brand... your thoughts?

[Bleaney]

It's the people that mask too well; that are too charming, too nice, too smiley, too friendly, etc, that make me inherently suspicious. And I've been proved correct in my beliefs or perception, on more than one occasion, to say the least.

Surface level charm may sometimes be all it takes to secure certain employment positions, or to seduce members of the opposite sex.

The employment charade that HR expect you to play, is a game that I especially despise, and I've experimented a few times with various levels of refusing to play the game at various stages of job hunting over recent years. I've just refused to buy into it. Of course the HR people I've encountered when doing this have either openly despised me, or could not possibly have ended certain phone conversations any quicker .

Sorry for going off topic, but back on topic; surface level smarm / charm = inherently distrustful imho.

Of course this will be a very minority view point. But will probably get more people agreeing, at least to some extent, and in some circumstances, among parts of either the drug using communities, or parts of the neurodivergent communities, than in the wider population as a whole. And probably especially among the neurodivergent drug using communities, where tolerance for bullshit is often very low, and seems to get exponentially lower and lower as we age, in my experience.

 

[MsDiz]

It's the people that mask too well; that are too charming, too nice, too smiley, too friendly, etc, that make me inherently suspicious. And I've been proved correct in my beliefs or perception, on more than one occasion, to say the least.

Surface level charm may sometimes be all it takes to secure certain employment positions, or to seduce members of the opposite sex.

The employment charade that HR expect you to play, is a game that I especially despise, and I've experimented a few times with various levels of refusing to play the game at various stages of job hunting over recent years. I've just refused to buy into it. Of course the HR people I've encountered when doing this have either openly despised me, or could not possibly have ended certain phone conversations any quicker .

Sorry for going off topic, but back on topic; surface level smarm / charm = inherently distrustful imho.

Of course this will be a very minority view point. But will probably get more people agreeing, at least to some extent, and in some circumstances, among parts of either the drug using communities, or parts of the neurodivergent communities, than in the wider population as a whole. And probably especially among the neurodivergent drug using communities, where tolerance for bullshit is often very low, and seems to get exponentially lower and lower as we age, in my experience.

Exactly, Russel Brand’s true nature was always out in the open for everyone to see. I don’t know if you’ve read his book but if it’s allowed into evidence then he’s screwed! I vividly remember this quote but I’ll get the proper thing….

"When we first got Topsy, she would be allowed to sleep in the bed with me. But when Colin came, an absurd edict was introduced whereby she was no longer allowed upstairs. I evidently had a lot of anger and hate in me about this because I would perch at the top of the stairs and lure her to come up. 'Topsy. Topsy. Topsy.' Then, when she would slink nervously upward to the forbidden terrain of the upper floor, I would suddenly become Mr. Hyde. “Oh, dear. Topsy,” I would declaim in a rather arch manner. “You know perfectly well you're not allowed upstairs.” Before cruelly kicking her back down to the bottom again, where I would rejoin her and give her a sympathetic cuddle, regretfully muttering, “Oh Christ, were you kicked down the stairs? This is terrible.'”

He wrote that, there are so many more quotes that are crazy. He is so narcissistic that he wrote that and thought it was ok.

 

[4DQSAR]

I don’t know if I would label him as someone with ASPD. It is a spectrum and whilst bad there are a lot worse people who are diagnosed with NPD.

Being on such a spectrum doesn't automatically means a person cannot recognize they have a personality disorder nor that treatment isn't available. But I posit that a peron's disorders can be modified by their surroundings.

Take someone on the spectum to whom luck brings success, it re-enforces the delusion. The delusion that they ARE more intelligent and that the lives of others is depricated. Then place them in a situation where their behaviors are hidden and excused and is it a surprise that will re-enforce even more.

It's been noted by psychiatrists that while mental illnesses are best identified via one-to-one interviews, it's also agreed that for personality disorders, viewing a person's behaviors over a much longer time-frame and crucially, when the person thinks they are unobserved so don't hide their real selves is the only way a diagnosis can be given. I think I said nobody neatly fits into a single box of the (increasingly dubious) DSM criteria.

When found guilty, THEN psychiatrists can use all extant information and provide a clinical diagnosis. But almost nobody on the spectrum ASKS to be diagnosed - to them the world must be so simple. If they do it, it's fine, BECAUSE them doing it makes it so...

 

[MsDiz]

Being on such a spectrum doesn't automatically means a person cannot recognize they have a personality disorder nor that treatment isn't available.

But take someone on the spectum and if luck brings success, it re-enforces the delusion. The delusion that they ARE more intelligent and that the lives of other. Then place them in a situation where behaviors are hidden and excused and is it a surprise that will re-enforce even more.

It's been noted by psychiatrists that while mental illnesses are best identified via one-to-one interviews, it's also agreed that for personality disorders, viewing a person's behavior over a much longer time-frame and crucially, when the person thinks the are unobserved so don't hide their real selves that a diagnosis can be given. I think I said nobody neatly fits into a single box of the (increasingly dubious) DSM criteria.

When found guilty, THEN psychiatrists can use all extant information and provide a clinical diagnosis. But almost nobody on the spectrum ASKS to be diagnosed - to them the world must be so simple. If they do it, it's fine, BECAUSE them doing it makes it so...

My thesis for my psychology PhD was on Anti Social Personality Disorder actually.

It’s incredibly interesting, surprisingly a lot of those with ASPD do want help, they know they don’t feel how a typical person may feel. I did personally interview over 200 individuals with an ASPD diagnosis as well as over 300 individuals who had recurrent behaviours that were deemed anti social but without the diagnosis. I was pretty shocked myself to be honest. The best accounts I had were from the much younger individuals who just wanted to know what the hell was wrong with them to put it bluntly. Those individuals didn’t even realise it was a personality disorder.

When you live with a view of life you think is normal, it’s hard to think there is something wrong. I have a connective tissue disorder, I was 24 when I realised that not everyone dislocates their hip when they sleep. Now it’s crazy looking back on it, it sounds mad right?? I honestly never thought anything of it. It was my normal. I dislocate my hip, wake up in a bit of pain, click it back in and go back to sleep. Everyone must do this, right? When I was a child I just got on with it, I never even mentioned it to my mother and I am a pretty savvy person, not trying to be OTT but to make a point.

I honestly do feel that ASPD was written off as untreatable for so long but there is a path and whilst not perfect and still in construction, it’s better than a prison cell or a mental health ward.

Of course no one neatly fits in any box but honestly, with Russel, he’s a very very typical grandiose narcissist.

I doubt he would be honest with any psychiatrist, it would be impossible to get him to cooperate honestly. The signs are all there, as you say, you look at the whole person, it’s pretty black and white to me in regard to him.

 

[Ki3ly]

Has he ever hurt anyone though. I mean now that he knows better. haha.


He used to tell jokes. I just look at the headlines and then I don't bother with the rest.