Rotating Opiates to reduce problems of tolerance?

[NCStoner]

Well, i've gotten into some opiates. Nothing too heavy, I used Hydrocodene (vikadin, Oxcodone (in form of perkecet(sp)) and Codeine (tylenol 3). Now I think opiates are great but i do not want to form any kind of physical dependance on them, i'd be using them once a week or so.
Here is my problem most of the opiates i've done is hydrocodene and it's taking increasingly more for this to get me high. How long does it take for your tolerance to go back down? Will it go back down?
Also since i don't use opiates too often, if I were to take codeine one weekend oxycodone the next and hydrocodone the next, would that keep tolerance down, i'll only do these max 4 times a month. Are these drugs different enough to have seperate tolerances? Also are there any other PRESCRIBED (not street shit that's been cut) opiates that i can use?
and a final question.
What are the pros and cons of Snorting, swallowing, crushing and using a gelcap to swallow, and SMOKING the stuff?
a link to the codeine seperation method would be nice too.
these drugs seem perfect, except for the addiction..
thanks for the help, sorry i rambled on

 

[fairnymph]

There is significant cross-tolerance between opiates, so rotating will help only slightly.
Taking opiates orally is the safest way (plugging also works) -- crushed makes them hit more quickly and strongly.
Smoking and snorting are damaging to the lungs/nose/mouth, especially with regular use, and the high does not last as long as when the opiates are taken orally.
There are lots of other prescribed opiates. Do a search on www.rxlist.com or www.google.com.
Cold water extraction (good for all opiates; not just codeine) can be found at: www.coldwaterworld.com .

 

[FreakK]

u are taking OPIATES only on the weekend??if so, you really shouldnt build up that much of a tolerance IMO...YES taking one OPIATE will build yourself a tolerance to other OPIATES....i wish it didnt work that way but sadly it does...
i have found that taking OPIATES 2-3(3 days tops) days str8 during the week and then laying off the rest of the wweek is a nice way to enjoy a nice high while NOT building too much of a tolerance...also, i have found that i dont have any cravings while on my "off days" like this...
btw, just curious, how much HYDRO does it take to get you a nice little buzz goin??how much OXY etc etc??

 

[NCStoner]

well my experience with oxycotin is limited only tried it twice and that was with hydro, hard to put down a definite number here.
When i first started 1 pill snorted of hydro would get me high.
but, last night to get a good buzz I ended up taking 6. I was experimenting with different methods to see what works well, as my nose has had trouble bleeding after snorting and i don't like it. So I crushed up and dissolved one pill in a glass of sugar water and took it, then I crushed another up and licked it off of a place (got this idea on the net, tasted like shit but better than chewing em). So then I snorted one and a half. I was buzzing reaall well then but after about two hours (nothing was wearing off) i decided to pop 2 and a half more just regularly. for a total of 6 pills but it lasted a LOT longer than expected about 5 hours! i don't think that's normal, but that might be because i took 2 later on.
But I can get a good buzz off just 3, more like 2 if it's perkeset and even less if i can get some good oxycotin, never tried Codeine and i heard the side effects were worse but if i get a chance i'll still try them.
That's one of the best parts of opiates for me though, verrrrry small side effects, there cheap and i love the feeling/high you get off of them. The comedown isn't bad at all either, i just seem REALLY tired and REALLY relaxed, then an hour after that i get hungry, dry mouthed, and my muscles ache but usually i'm asleep by then. Worried about addiction but i figure if i only use them once every week or two i should be fine. It's nice having a dentist as a dad hahaha.
also I couldn't find the actual process of getting the codeine out? I saw a FAQ on codeine but not the actual procedure? maybe im looking at the wrong thing not sure.

 

[PuristLove]

I've found that if I use opiates on any kind of regular basis, be it weekly,monthly or every five days, I end up using them more frequently than that fairly quickly.

 

[DJ Wannabe]

There is really no sense in snorting Vicodin or their like. There is simply too much powder to snort when you could just as easily have eaten them. Personally, the only opiates I would snort are OxyContin, MSContin, or heroin. Don't worry about crushing your pills, unless you like the taste. The difference in onset time is negligible vs. 'not crushed' for any of the opiates combined with APAP; crushing becomes a factor with the Contin line. If you still want to crush your pills, put the powder in a piece of toilet paper or, better, a gelcap so you don't have to taste all the nastiness.
Are you sure one Vicodin had you messed? Everyone reacts differently, but 5mg seems low for a buzz; placebo? If you truly are that sensitive (You're lucky.), then pay no attention to what I'm about to say. For me, when I started out and on to this day, a good hydrocodone buzz starts at 20-25mg orally (no crushing), oxycodone/APAP at 15-20mg oral, oxycodone (OxyContin) crushed and snorted at 15-20mg, morphine (MS Contin) crushed and snorted at about 40mg, and codiene (Tylenol 3) at about 120-150mg. I still haven't figured out why it took me so much morphine; :: so be.
Please remember, this is all based on my personal experiences, but from what I've read/heard the doses above are pretty close to those recommended for someone just trying opiates out. It may be a good idea to start 5mg lower than the amounts listed and see how you react (you can always take more). Also, if itching is a problem for you, try taking one or two Benadryl (just the basic anti-histimine, not the Sinus, Cold, Flu, etc. formulas) about 15-20 minutes before the opiate.
I hope this was fairly helpful; it's like 6:30 am and I'm not a morning person.

 

[NCStoner]

one hydro was my first time, but i did take 2 hydro orally earlier (for medical reasons) so i guess that's really doesn't count. But when i took those 6 pills so that's 30 mg, But I thought they were 7 mg a pill? I could be wrong...
The reason I've snorted them is because I like it hittin me fast and i didn't know that orally was as good and always snorted cause i didn't want to waste any. But i definatly prefer taking it before crushed up due to the taste.
Why is snorting it good for oxycotin and not hydrocodone? Also what about Perkecet, it has APAP too.

 

[vkeevanv]

Oxycontin is pure, percacet is oxycodone w/APAP geneerally or something similer and snorting APAP or Acetominophe(tylonol) which s what is mixed with hydrocodone in vicodin is very bad for you, and its a lot to snort.
Does anyone have any other lniks to a site which describes the cold water method of seperation, the one above isnt up anymore.

 

[FreakK]

OXYCONTIN is time released narcotic, intended to release a certain amount of narcotic over an 8-12 hour time period...when crushed, and drank or snorted this eliminates the time release and thus u get the TOTAL NARCOTIC release at ONCE, thus u get a nice buzz....
the reasoning why VICODEN is worthless to snort is because it is NOT a time released narcotic, therefore crushing it up does nothing to give you a "better" high...plus, snorting all of that powder, my god, who would want or be able to do that, and all of that apap in there, no way JOSE!!just swallow the capsule bro...enjoy it..
shit, i used to be able to get a "decent" high from 5 mgs of Vicoden..i have a very low natural tolerance to Opiates(i thank the Lord)...nowadays, i can still get an OK buzz from 7.5 mgs of VIC...

 

[Jabberwocky]

I'm gonna move this topic to the Otherdrugs forum as I think it will get a better response there.
SG

 

[KJE]

The biggest trouble with Vicodin is that it is a 1 to 100 ratio of Hydrocodone to Acetaminophen. Most often found 5mg Hydrocodone to 500mg Acetaminophen or 7.5 to 750. Norco can be 10 mg hydrocodone to 320mg Acetaminophen but that is the lowest ratio available. This means that if you try to snort Vicodin, you are getting way to much Tylenol interfering with the absorbtion in the nasal membrane. Therefore you cannot get enouph narcotic into the bloodstream fast enouph to cause any effect. It is possible to filter out the Tylenol but only with tremendous patience and a lot of vicodin as there will be a large amount of Hydrocodone lost in the process. If you do it succesfully, you will have clear almost crystal-like powder once everything is dry. This can be snorted or injected with good result in effect.
[ 02 October 2002: Message edited by: KJE ]