rolling harder off RC's than "molly"

[jerseybrah]

The "molly" which i havent tested but im sure is between 95-98% pure baking soda mixed with a dusting of methylone around my area blows

i've gotten "molly" from 2 different sources in my area and both experiences underwhelming, however when i take Ethylone (bk-MDEA) mixed with butylone (bk-MBDB) at a 50/50 ratio and ingest for example 250mg (at same dosage as MDMA) i roll really hard, incredibly empathogenic qualities and i get all the goodies (pupils, eye wiggles, tactile fun, etc) to a greater extent and for longer than my last 2 experiences with "molly" and at par with any MDxx high pills i've taken

For any users of both have you noticed better effects with RC's, if so which ones?

 

[Jonnybean]

The "molly" which i havent tested but im sure is between 95-98% pure baking soda mixed with a dusting of methylone around my area blows

i've gotten "molly" from 2 different sources in my area and both experiences underwhelming, however when i take Ethylone (bk-MDEA) mixed with butylone (bk-MBDB) at a 50/50 ratio and ingest for example 250mg (at same dosage as MDMA) i roll really hard, incredibly empathogenic qualities and i get all the goodies (pupils, eye wiggles, tactile fun, etc) to a greater extent and for longer than my last 2 experiences with "molly" and at par with any MDxx high pills i've taken

For any users of both have you noticed better effects with RC's, if so which ones?

yeah you will mate, there are alot of RC's out there that i do find are stronger than MDMA.

but....is it worth taking an RC which has unknown long term effects? you could grow a third arm for all you know after 2 years of taking it.


thats the main reason why i take mdma now and not mephedrone or anything.


dont have an answer to your question since i dont take them :/

 

[Bsiren]

I find (high quality) bk-MDMA + 4-FA to be a far more intensely euphoric and social than the purest MDMA I've had. Just because it's an RC does not mean it's necessarily a lesser substitute.

I intend to try ethylone (bk-MDEA) + 4-FA next weekend.

No one can say with certainty what harm can come from these RC's in the long run. In the cases of certain RC's like methylone, which have been studied a lot more extensively and have a closer connection to MDMA, most of what we know indicates bk-MDMA acts in a similar but less intense way as MDMA both in euphoria and harm. Chemicals relationship to the body is a complex thing, and it's rarely as simple as "it's safe" or "unsafe". I personally make a rule of still spacing out RCs in a similar fashion to MDMA. I think you can avoid a great deal of harm by treating these newer compounds as a special occasion thing, rather than waiting for negative effects to happen.

 

[poopstation]

bk-MDMA is a different monster altogether. it's a significantly weaker serotonin releasing agent and much stronger dopamine releaser. so one could expect the euphoria to be of a much different flavor, quite lacking of empathy and hence, the "magic"

 

[Jonnybean]

I find (high quality) bk-MDMA + 4-FA to be a far more intensely euphoric and social than the purest MDMA I've had. Just because it's an RC does not mean it's necessarily a lesser substitute.

I intend to try ethylone (bk-MDEA) + 4-FA next weekend.

No one can say with certainty what harm can come from these RC's in the long run. In the cases of certain RC's like methylone, which have been studied a lot more extensively and have a closer connection to MDMA, most of what we know indicates bk-MDMA acts in a similar but less intense way as MDMA both in euphoria and harm. Chemicals relationship to the body is a complex thing, and it's rarely as simple as "it's safe" or "unsafe". I personally make a rule of still spacing out RCs in a similar fashion to MDMA. I think you can avoid a great deal of harm by treating these newer compounds as a special occasion thing, rather than waiting for negative effects to happen.

yeah thats it.

ive found that cathinones fuck you up something stupid, have not felt right since.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

I never abused mephedrone, I only used it a handful of times, but every time I did use it, the initial rush is easily as euphoric if not MORE euphoric than the absolute purest molly I've ever had. Only problem is it doesn't last nearly as long.

 

[Bsiren]

I never abused mephedrone, I only used it a handful of times, but every time I did use it, the initial rush is easily as euphoric if not MORE euphoric than the absolute purest molly I've ever had. Only problem is it doesn't last nearly as long.

I agree. I actually prefer mephedrone for clubbing/raving, conversations are clear and fun, dancing is amazing, music is even better. It's not nearly as deep or meaningful as MDMA, but it certainly is fun. Unfortunately it's no longer classified as an RC so I will not likely ever get to enjoy it again.

"Roll hard" is a difficult thing to pin point, because for some that dopamine rush is far more enjoyable than the serotogenic rush MDMA provides.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Bk-MDMA has always been better than the rolls or even molly I can find. Now I can't get that either though. (SIGH). I really missed the E bubble, was on anti-depressants for the last 4 years than when I came off all the pills were bunk so I went to molly, eh, ok...than I found bk-mdma as a research chemical and fully understood the whole rage, than like 2 days later they made it illegal.. I will have to look into this buty/ethy lone thing.

 

[the toad]

If you get proper un-fucked-with molly, 100mg is plenty and you won't be undewhelmed...

But there lies the key issue... the RC's seem potent compared to adulturated/cut up mdma... but if your comparing apples to apples with pure samples of both, the mdma will blow your skirt up too lol

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

"Roll hard" is a difficult thing to pin point, because for some that dopamine rush is far more enjoyable than the serotogenic rush MDMA provides.

^^You're absolutely correct. This is probably why a lot of people think rolls that aren't speedy are weak. I bet MOST people think that the meth/speed that is in their pills is actually the "roll" because dopamine is probably a much easier feeling to identify. MDMA's serotonin storm can be a confusing feeling to interpret and decipher from simply having an amazing time, especially if you're doing it with a loved one. For example, two first-timers, bf and gf, both drop their pills and go out, and end up being ALL over each other on the dance floor, spilling their guts to each other, making all sorts of plans, cuddling, caressing, etc.. If they were drinking alcohol at the time, there's a good chance they would simply think they just got a really good drunk going on and severely enjoyed each other's company. On speed though, there would be no mistake that you are on DDRURURURUGUUGUGGGSSSSSSSSZSZSZSZSZ!!!!

Obviously though, really potent molly that ended up releasing insane amounts of serotonin would certainly be an unmistakable feeling on it's own.

Amirite?

 

[LogicSoDeveloped]

I took ethylone somewhat recently on its own and it felt it lacked something. I probably won't take it again unless I try it mixed with butylone, which I've heard suggested various times on various sites.