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Roadside Drug Testing (NSW)

Doogan said:
How long after consuming THC can it be detected?

The consumption of THC will be detected for several hours after use. The exact time will vary depending on the amount and potency of the cannabis used and on the individual’s metabolism.

This is good - I have been smoking every day for the last 7-8 years, I dont smoke before work and I dont get "shitfaced" before I ride my bike.
So...lets do the math:

If i get home from work at 4pm (And I do) and smoke cones till i goto bed at 10pm (that meens like 10-14 cones), I dont start work again till 7am so that gives me 8 - 9 hours since iv had a cone - so I should be safe to ride to work =D
 
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,19209784-5001022,00.html
Secret ecstasy toll


May 22, 2006

THE party drug ecstasy is killing more than one person every fortnight nationwide, with almost a third of deaths occurring in car crashes.

The figures come as the State Government again delayed roadside drug-testing in NSW.

In June 2005, then-acting Chief Superintendent John Lipman announced testing would be introduced early this year -- but The Daily Telegraph understands it has been postponed for a second time.

An RTA spokeswoman would not comment on the delay but said the legislation was currently being prepared.

A report by the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre revealed there were 112 ecstasy-related deaths in Australia from 2001 to 2004, with 28 per cent due to road crashes.

NDARC spokesman Paul Dillon said a recent study showed over a third of people would not combine drug taking and driving if there was roadside testing.

Australia has the highest ecstasy use anywhere in the world, with NDARC figures showing lifetime prevalence increased from 1 per cent in 1988 to 7.5 per cent in 2004.

The ecstasy trend report showed 67 per cent of respondents had driven within an hour of taking illicit drugs, 77 per cent of which was ecstasy.

One young woman, who didn't want to be named, said the lack of testing made it easy for people to "drug and drive".

"The police can't test for it so there is no risk of being caught and it doesn't effect my driving," she said.

Lauren Pokrzyna, 18, said it is common for drug-users to drive.

"One of my friends does it all the time and I won't get in the car with him."

The high use of the drug is starting to have an impact on the state's physical and psychological health, according to NDARC's senior investigator Dr Louisa Degenhardt.

"The issue of dependence is one that is coming up. Ecstasy doesn't lend itself to regular daily use but users are reporting feeling the psychological aspects," she said.

The NDARC report showed 31 per cent of respondents suffered depression.

Mr Dillon said the psychological harm of drug use was a much greater threat to health than fatalities.

"A major problems of ecstasy use is the depletion of serotonin that results in depression.

"What we do know is that many young people are going to the doctors in the week following ecstasy use and reporting symptoms of depression and then being prescribed medication."
so its delayed.... thats what my news.google.com.au search found..
 
Revenue raising. They'll be busting people who haven't touched anything for weeks.

I remember when I did legal studies in yr 11 and 12, we learnt how the law, as well as doing many other things, is supposed to be based on societal opinions and attitudes. Drug laws are missing the target by a long shot.
 
Here we go, I guess.

I'd really like to see some real evidence/studies done on just how long time-wise these tests are able to find positives, particularly for MDMA and methamphetamine. Giving an "oh, around about 24 hours but it depends" figure really isn't very succint at all.
 
can you prove that you were not "under the influence" at the time of testing if you really werent under the influence of the drug in question at the time you were tested eg: you get tested 24 hrs after smoking marijuana and it shows up positivie on the test

to me this just sounds like an easy way for the government to create a drug user database to persecute innocent people for differing philosophical beliefs

i fully understand driving whilst under the influence of drugs is EXTEMELY DANGEROUS especially with truck drivers using amphetamines to stay awake for the long haul i think it is stupid to persecute innocent people because they choose to live their lives differently than the "mainstream"

what next is it going to be illegal to practice islam because a small percentage of extemists blow shit up...
 
Drugs-driving crackdown planned
By Paul Mulvey
August 31, 2006 06:54pm

MOTORISTS will be pulled over for random drug tests as the New South Wales Government moves to cut the toll from drug-related accidents.

The roadside saliva tests will only be able to detect cannabis, speed and ecstasy, with offenders facing jail sentences of up to nine months, unlimited licence suspensions and fines of $2200.

But the crackdown is already facing opposition criticism, as only one specially-equipped police Winnebago van and 20 trained officers will be tasked, initially at least, with covering the entire state.

Announcing the move today, Premier Morris Iemma said all drivers and motorcycle riders involved in fatal crashes would undergo blood testing.

Mr Iemma also said Roads and Traffic Authority figures showed one in four male drivers used cannabis and 17 per cent of fatal accidents involved drugs.

"As part of our effort to crack down on this dangerous behaviour that can cost lives, we're introducing these tough new laws," he said.

Licence renewal fees will jump by up to $2 to raise $7 million to fund the Winnebago van and 20 officers.

The tests will detect the active ingredient of cannabis, speed and ecstasy taken in the previous four hours.

But, because codeine, the active ingredient of many cold medicines and headache tablets, is exempt, illegal drugs which also contain codeine – such as heroin and cocaine – will not be detected.

Police Minister Carl Scully said truck drivers would be specifically targeted.

"The heavy vehicle industry is now on notice," he said.

"There is strong evidence that long-haul truck drivers are engaging in the consumption of drugs which impairs their driving with tragic and catastrophic consequences.

"Weighing stations and lay-bys on our highways where the trucks are going through, with drivers full as a goog with some of these drugs, is where the police will initially target it."

Traffic Services Commander Superintendent John Hartley said areas around rave parties and nightclubs would also be targeted.

Supt Hartley said he expected the tests to be operating by November with around 5,500 to be conducted in the first year.

The initiative comes more than two years after the NSW Government made a commitment to the family of nine-year-old Dubbo boy Brendan Saul, who was killed by a hit-and-run driver under the influence of drugs.

Brendan's death in January 2004 had already prompted the introduction of "Brendan's Law", which increased the penalty for failing to stop after an accident from 18 months to 10 years.

Mr Iemma said it has taken two and half years to obtain the equipment and training good enough for his Government to introduce the drug-testing legislation and honour its commitment to Brendan's parents, Kevin and Patsy.

"We are now in a position to proceed, having done the testing and training and learned from some of the issues our Victorian colleagues faced," he said.

Victorian police have been drug-testing drivers for 12 months during which 400 of the 20,000 tests returned positive results.

NSW Opposition police spokesman Mike Gallacher said one van, which he called the Iemmabago, was not enough.

"That big holiday bus, a bit like the Griswalds as they move around NSW, will be the only location that you'll see this drug-testing taking place," Mr Gallacher said.

"It will be a case of taking (the bus) into the marginal seats and doing the media stunt.

"They should be looking at the Victorian model – making sure that every highway patrol car throughout NSW is capable of doing the drug test."

From News.com.au
 
Trucking industry welcomes driver drug tests

The Australian Trucking Association (ATA) says a move by the New South Wales Government to randomly drug test drivers will help weed out drug users in the industry.

New laws have been introduced to Parliament to give police the power to carry out on-the-spot saliva tests on motorists and truck drivers.

A drug bus will go on patrol next year, testing drivers for ecstasy, cannabis and speed and will target truck drivers.

ATA chief executive Stuart Sinclair says it is a welcomed move.

"We're pleased to see that there is random drug testing going on," he said.

"We think it is important that those rogues who are out there using substances that are illegal should be caught and should be penalised."

Mr Sinclair says he has concerns about how the NSW Government will fund the random drug testing as it is expanded.

"We are concerned that the Government is going to increase license fees to partially pay for this," he said.

"It is a concern but we do welcome it."

From ABC News
 
But, because codeine, the active ingredient of many cold medicines and headache tablets, is exempt, illegal drugs which also contain codeine – such as heroin and cocaine – will not be detected.

thats so stupid it doesnt need explanation 8(
 
Its also very funny because i doubt it will crackdown on anything. You cant change ppl by doing daily policing like staying at a single street in anytime suburb and think it will start a chain reaction. This type of punishment getting your license and points removed and sending ppl to jail is only going to create more problems.
 
I think the opposition spokesman is right - its a whole lot of fanfare for nothing - ONE bus to cover the entire state!?!?

Given that people regularly take the gamble of drink driving, on the basis they "probably" wont hit an RBT on the way home, who's going to worry that the drug bus will be in their CITY that nite let alone along their path home.

Just think about all the major population centres - the central coast, wollongong, newcastle etc, let alone sydney itself, that would need to get coverage. The fact is, most of the people reading this will never even SEE the drug bus let alone get tested by it.

Unless you live in a marginal seat, in which case Iemma is sure to be blowing his trumpet about it ready for March 07 elections...

Also, WTF? $2 on license renewals to pay for it?!?!?! FUCK THAT! lik they don't take enough money from us with GST and stamp duties! this is the most financially incompetent govt ive seen! Lets hope they don't want a second bus and up license fees again!
 
I guess if you were really worried about this, you could move into Sydney or some other large city where driving is basically unnecessary. No point really freaking out until they start randomly testing people on public transport, or on the sidewalk. :-)
 
hoptis said:
The tests will detect the active ingredient of cannabis, speed and ecstasy taken in the previous four hours.
Interesting. Only in the "past 4 hrs". Do you think that news story has that figure right? It would certainly mean ppl wouldn't have to worry about partying Sat night, sleeping, then getting busted Mon morning.
 
does anyone here know if codiene REALLY is in cocaine???? I have heard before that it is similar to herion some how, but what does it have to do with coke???
 
It has NOTHING to do with coke. It is related to heroin, but there's no way you could claim that heroin contains it.
 
NEWS: SMH - 24/09/2006 'Truckies targeted'

Truckies targeted
September 24, 2006 - 9:54AM

One in five truck drivers is using illegal drugs to stay awake during long trips, a new study has found.

The study of 200 long distance truck drivers found more than half had used stimulants at some stage during their career, and 25 per cent had done so within the past six months.

Releasing the study results in Sydney today, NSW Health Minister John Hatzistergos announced a new taskforce would target the use of illicit drugs among truckies.

"The results are disturbing, as drug use is associated with a higher risk of fatal crashes. Research shows that drivers who take drugs are more likely to be the culpable driver," Mr Hatzistergos said in a statement.

"One of the reasons for this is the sudden loss of alertness experienced by drivers when the stimulants wear off."

Truckies who used stimulants were more likely to be paid per load or per trip, he said.

The study by the University of NSW Injury Risk Management Research Centre, commissioned by NSW Health, surveyed drivers at nine truck stops within 200km of Sydney last year.

AAP

Sydney Morning Herald
 
The study by the University of NSW Injury Risk Management Research Centre, commissioned by NSW Health, surveyed drivers at nine truck stops within 200km of Sydney last year.
That's what you get for telling the truth!
 
these tests only detect active chemicals anyway. Apparently pot stays in your system for up to 6-7 hours. So its not like if u smoke bongs before bed every night and get up and drive around the next day your gunna get done. not sure about stimulants & all that, they prob have a much bigger half life.

just mah 2 bobs worth
 
did anyone read the article in (i think it was) yesterdays daily telegraph about roadside testing?

it basically said that the roadside setups wont be as 'obvious' as the victorian ones as truckies could see them and warn others.

the article said that they will be winebago caravans with no police markings on em and has all the equipment required for testing.
 
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