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Stimulants Ritalin versus Vyvanse versus dextroamphetamine (dexedrine)?

So combining seems to me unpleasant, but i dont like either. Anymore.
I'm just saying that I wouldn't expect it to be dangerous or at risk of serotonin syndrome, the way taking Tramadol and a large dose of MDMA, LSD, meth, or possibly Adderall could be… As far as unpleasantness goes, well, yeah it's Ritalin. That shit sucks, to me. I get irritable on it. And tramadol is also garbage to me, but that's just me. And you too, apparently, haha…

Dextro-Amphetamine effect at Serotonine at therapeutic oral dose seems unnoticable to me.
Something tells me you have a tolerance. At a zero tolerance state, this probably isn't true, and also consider that the effect is intended to be subtle.

Tramadol does have a noticable effect on Serotonin, that i can feel.
It's well known effect of Tramadol. It actually has lower affinity for the µ-opioid receptor than most opioids, but that effect is enhanced by its serotonergic activity. Tapentadol has a similar activity, except instead of serotonin, it uses norepinephrine as the potentiating neurotransmitter. As such, it's much safer to use with other compounds while affording mostly the same effects. I actually like Tapentadol way better than Tramadol or its metabolite, ODMT.

The tmax of both lisdexamphetamine and dextroamphetamine are almost the same, with similar half lives?
No, not really. Focus on the first eight hours, and not on how the shape of the curve looks pretty similar. When you look more closely, you'll notice how much sooner the Adderall IR kicks in. Look at the difference in values for the first two hours especially. By the fourth hour though, the Adderall is fading while the Vyvanse surpasses Adderall's concentration in the blood. During the fifth hour, Vyvanse's concentration continues to grow while Adderall keeps dropping lower. So Vyvanse comes on more smoothly and lasts few hours longer. This all checks out, in my opinion. Did you think the difference was more stark or something?
 
Something tells me you have a tolerance. At a zero tolerance state, this probably isn't true, and also consider that the effect is intended to be subtle.
And a big one 20/ 25 mg oral daily monster tolerance. With some dr opposed breaks of a year here and there.
And my own breaks. Doubt it, just a long time med user.

Ok kept my tolerance up with the lightest of the lightest RC stims like 2-FA or 3-FPM, during the opposed dr. breaks.
If i have tolerance its minimal,

Never got the WD storys either myself. Then again knowing speedfreax, i know i am not one.
ADHD at best, or better then a cup of Coffee concerning effects.
 
Doubt it, just a long time med user.
Dopamine and Norepinephrine downregulation is a real thing. I took a couple years off circa '08 - '09, and when I came back, holy euphoric tachycardia, Batman! And on such a small dose. I had to step up off of it and set my cup down. Adderall and Chronic, yeah I'm fucked up now, but there ain't no stopping, I'm still poppin', @emkee_reinvented got some ladies from the city of Compton… lol

And yeah even light RC stims are enough to keep that dopamine downregulation going, you know… And anyway, 2-FA and 3-FPM are good RC stims. I haven't seen 3-FPM in a while. Of course, 3F-MPH has been around, but meh…

All of us are different and respond differently to various drugs, let's not forget. Pharmacogenomics is a fascinating field of study right now that is sure to change the game up in the very near future…
 
No, not really. Focus on the first eight hours, and not on how the shape of the curve looks pretty similar. When you look more closely, you'll notice how much sooner the Adderall IR kicks in. Look at the difference in values for the first two hours especially. By the fourth hour though, the Adderall is fading while the Vyvanse surpasses Adderall's concentration in the blood. During the fifth hour, Vyvanse's concentration continues to grow while Adderall keeps dropping lower. So Vyvanse comes on more smoothly and lasts few hours longer. This all checks out, in my opinion. Did you think the difference was more stark or something?

Yeah just looking at the extended timeline, concentrations don't appear massively different.

But as you mention actually the first two hours there is a marked difference.

My first day on vyvanse was yesterday, 30 mg.
Certainly didn't blow my head of or have any kind of eurphoric rush, but even late afternoon into the evening I was feeling more alert, more focused, more motivated and resultantly a little better mood.

As mentioned, it's subtle, but compared to ritalin which comes on quick and fades quick, this might be a better choice for me.

........

Assuming you're a grown man of about 80 to 90 kgs, what dose did you find worked best for you?
 
That's my experience as well. Lisdexameftamine is weaker than dexamphetamine (about 60% as strong, I think) and has a fairly slow onset, but it works just fine and is overall a pretty smooth and functional form of stimulant. Methylphenidate can potentially be more exciting as it hits harder and faster, but it also has a bit of a crash to it as it drops off quickly, too.

If you can get what you need from any of those three, I would suggest just staying away from meth in any form.
Just rounding out my knowledge base on lisdex;

When you say "slow onset", in your experience, can you describe that more?

First two hours, did you typically feel anything?

At what point did you feel it reaches full effect? The graph shows max concentration is reached around 4 hours or so, so would you continuously feel an increase in stimulation over that time period, peaking at 4 hours?

And at that four hour point, would you say the intensity of stimulation is comparable to the equivalent dose of regular dexamphetamine? (30 mg lisdex = 8.9 mg dex, according to the label. So say you were on 70 mg lisdex, it was comparable to about 20 mg dexamphetamine?)

I'm just curious as to experience accounts as, when I've dose stims in the past, I'm used to somewhat of a "rush", as in the stimulation onset is quick, and with the exception of meth, typically needs redosing to be maintained.
 
MPH did give me a kick but had no [lasting] energetic / motivational boost. Dextro- Amphetamine, less then Racemic, gave no kick.
Just did its job. Never got a tolerance raise either or a crash on it, unlike MPH. Weird right ? I have surplus dex always. Mph never.
I have to mention, this reflects my experience almost exactly also.

I'm assuming vyvanse is comparable to dextroamphetamine for the most part.

Racemic is superior to dextro in terms of "kick" and energy/motivation boost, you're suggesting here?

Don't know if I asked already but, can you compare any of the above to methamphetamine re motivation/energy boost etc?
 
Dopamine and Norepinephrine downregulation is a real thing. I took a couple years off circa '08 - '09, and when I came back, holy euphoric tachycardia, Batman! And on such a small dose. I had to step up off of it and set my cup down. Adderall and Chronic, yeah I'm fucked up now, but there ain't no stopping, I'm still poppin', @emkee_reinvented got some ladies from the city of Compton… lol

And yeah even light RC stims are enough to keep that dopamine downregulation going, you know… And anyway, 2-FA and 3-FPM are good RC stims. I haven't seen 3-FPM in a while. Of course, 3F-MPH has been around, but meh…

All of us are different and respond differently to various drugs, let's not forget. Pharmacogenomics is a fascinating field of study right now that is sure to change the game up in the very near future…
Dexto-Amphetamine unlike Caffeine, Nicotine, THC, [even copiuos ammounts of] dl-Amphetamine and MPH.
Doesn t give me Tachycardia. Low or a bit higher HR maybe/ Low blood pressure i have so.
Oh and if you think you lost your wallett, Tachacardia x 2.

At oral therapeutic never gave me Tachycardia. Never raised my dose, did lower it. So tolerant or not doesnt matter to me as long as it works.
Even if its placebo fine, just no more weird meds like antiepelyleptic s or Magnesium-Hydroxide adminsted in name of solving.
Your presemed Magnesium deffiency, i am not btw. To Veggie !

The Hydroxide gave me power poop though, and lost 10 kg in 2 weeks. have to see dex-Amp do that :ROFLMAO:.
I always loose weight when NOT on it ?
 
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Just looking over this thread, I wonder if it would be of any benefit to combine a small amount of IR dex with the Vyvanse at the beginning (or maybe a couple hours in, when the Vyvanse is kicking in more) just to give you a bit more of an initial rush, to be followed by the smoother long lasting Vyvanse effect.
 
Assuming you're a grown man of about 80 to 90 kgs, what dose did you find worked best for you?
In my 40s, weight: 77 kg, fairly fast metabolism. So I already had some working tolerance to 30 mg Adderall IR when I switched to Vyvanse, so I went straight to 70 mg and it was perfect for me. If I were to start again and assuming I'm starting without a tolerance already in place, I think I might first try 30 or 40 mg initially. When that dose seems less effective, I'd bump it up to 50mg, and then once more to 70 mg before taking a tolerance break. You really have to schedule those breaks in your calendar to get the most effective response from these meds. I think it's worth it though, and I stop drinking coffee while I'm on these meds so that when I phase off of them to allow downregulation to dissipate, I can start drinking coffee again to make up for the lack of energy and such. Caffeine when I have zero tolerance to it is a hell of a cognitive enhancer and a decent stimulant as long as I don't take too much.
 
When you say "slow onset", in your experience, can you describe that more?

First two hours, did you typically feel anything?

In my experience lisdexamfetamine is noticeable at one hour but doesn't fully kick in until the 2 - 3 hour mark. If I make myself a coffee at around the 2 hour mark I find it brings the lisdex into focus more quickly.

If I were given a choice between lisdex and dextro, I'd choose the latter. While they feel similar to me I think the dextro comes on faster and is more noticeable. Honestly though they're both great, functional stimulants which have far less negative side-effects than many others. Methylphenidate (and ethylphenidate) have more pronounced highs and lows for me, and I strongly dislike the crash from stims, even when it's minor.

Totally different thing, but does anyone here remember 3-FA? I really liked that. It was kind of low-key but refreshing!
 
Totally different thing, but does anyone here remember 3-FA?
I never had 3-FA. I like 2-FMA and 4-FA, but never tasted any of the meta-substitution amphetamines. Good stuff, I take it? …
2-FMA was an excellent student aid while 4-FA Is a bit like MDMA lite…
 
I never had 3-FA. I like 2-FMA and 4-FA, but never tasted any of the meta-substitution amphetamines. Good stuff, I take it? …
2-FMA was an excellent student aid while 4-FA Is a bit like MDMA lite…
Ime all but 2-FA were a waste. But 50 mg 4-FMA + 10 mg 2C-E was nice.

3-FA is inbetween 2 & 4. So its too Serotenergic to be functional.
To less to replace 4-FA, which was a hit, but i don t get it.
What nasty stuff, calling it a bit like MDMA was blasphemy.

So are you looking for nr 1 the studie aid, or 2 the subpar Amphetamine people,
say is like controlable MDMA. Imo not, its more like Serotenergic Speed.
3-FA too, but to a lesser degree. 3-FPM is functional, oral.

MDMA replacement of now is 5-MAPB. But hey kids today rave over 3-MMC.
Which i would put in my WC.
 
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Just looking over this thread, I wonder if it would be of any benefit to combine a small amount of IR dex with the Vyvanse at the beginning (or maybe a couple hours in, when the Vyvanse is kicking in more) just to give you a bit more of an initial rush, to be followed by the smoother long lasting Vyvanse effect.
ive actually been doing this off and on for awhile. ime, combining dexamp and lisdexamp has seemed safe and felt beneficial for me. this might vary depending on xr to IR but for me, 15mg xr (powdered basically to IR in mortar) oral or sublingual is a good dose to control my symptoms and get me out the door as i wait for the vyvanse (60mg) to hit (usually within an hour and a half). it always felt smooth from one drug to the next. tolerance is a real bitch tho so i just do this when i know its going to be one of those days and i need relief asap.
 
Ime all but 2-FA were a waste. But 50 mg 4-FMA + 10 mg 2C-E was nice.

3-FA is inbetween 2 & 4. So its too Serotenergic to be functional.
To less to replace 4-FA, which was a hit, but i don t get it.
What nasty stuff, calling it a bit like MDMA was blasphemy.
MDMA is not hallowed. Give me a break. And most ppl I've talked to prefer 2-FMA to 2-FA, as I did, and prefer 4-FA to 4-FMA, again, as I did. Are you sure you don't have that backwards? And why in the world would you take a stimulant with 2C-E of all drugs?

So are you looking for nr 1 the studie aid, or 2 the subpar Amphetamine people,
say is like controlable MDMA. Imo not, its more like Serotenergic Speed.
3-FA too, but to a lesser degree. 3-FPM is functional, oral.
I'm not looking for jack shit. Just answering ppl's questions and sharing my experiences. I enjoy both types of stims – sometime I like to study, sometime I like to tweek out or roll or whatever…
And yes of course 3-FPM is a functional stim.

MDMA replacement of now is 5-MAPB. But hey kids today rave over 3-MMC.
5-MAPB is old news. All the benzofury drugs from yesteryear fall into that category. And U.K. kids raved over 4-MMC which blew up the hype and then 3-MMC was on its heels, but no scenester worth their weight in salt really gets down like that.

Which i would put in my WC.
6-APB, 6-MAPB, 5-APB, and 5-MAPB are old hat. Hacking together "Polly" back in 2018 w/ these + 2-FMA + 4-HO-MET… Something like that as invented by r/Borax from Reddit.com
 
MDMA is not hallowed. Give me a break. And most ppl I've talked to prefer 2-FMA to 2-FA, as I did, and prefer 4-FA to 4-FMA, again, as I did. Are you sure you don't have that backwards? And why in the world would you take a stimulant with 2C-E of all drugs?


I'm not looking for jack shit. Just answering ppl's questions and sharing my experiences. I enjoy both types of stims – sometime I like to study, sometime I like to tweek out or roll or whatever…
And yes of course 3-FPM is a functional stim.


5-MAPB is old news. All the benzofury drugs from yesteryear fall into that category. And U.K. kids raved over 4-MMC which blew up the hype and then 3-MMC was on its heels, but no scenester worth their weight in salt really gets down like that.


6-APB, 6-MAPB, 5-APB, and 5-MAPB are old hat. Hacking together "Polly" back in 2018 w/ these + 2-FMA + 4-HO-MET… Something like that as invented by r/Borax from Reddit.com
A freebie with 20 mg 2C-E and 100 mg 4-FMA. Took half which was more as enough.
Why that was my thought to, well they mix well suprisingly.
Don t think i would like em more seperate, but a premixed product wit imo a double dose.
Stupid marketing those odorizers.

Are you sure someone can have something backwards, besides your underpants.
Which most people immediatly notice and correct.

3 & 4-F[M]A were ime abundant, though 4-FA was plain irritating. YMMV.
I am used to clean Amphetamines and MDMA, all the substitutions were kinda mixmag of.
Mostly speedy substances with some Serotonin.
Then again i hate Cocaine, Methylphenidate but love Khat. Not Cathinone, fresh full spectrum.

Weird enough all kids are not on Speed, Coke or MDMA, they all love 3-MMC.
Where is no reasonable explanenation for at all, tried it once.
A dirty stimulant that has won the favor of the youth.

They raved over 4-MMC too, but that sounded a bit to good why i declined.


While things like 2-FA which was akin to dextro-Amphetamine and 3-FPM, though i prefer dex.
To bad dr always end your script every so year. Are available. 5-MAPB. They want 3-MMC.

Who btw hallowed MDMA and what does it imply ?
And if your not looking for answers why it seemed you were asking ?
 
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A freebie with 20 mg 2C-E and 100 mg 4-FMA. Took half which was more as enough.
Oh ok, so then you don't really have much experience to base this opinion on.

Why that was my thought to, well they mix well suprisingly.
Yeah ok. You haven't used them independently, so I don't know how qualified that opinion is. You had one experience taking 2C-E and 4-FMA and now you're proclaiming they mix well, despite stimulants and psychedelics traditionally not mixing well. Mocaine (shrooms + cocaine), Methcaline (meth + mescaline or 2C-B), LSDextroamphetamine, DMTina—you get the gist—they all suck as far as combos go (btw, no one calls them that; I just made those up). At least in my opinion and according to traditional wisdom on the subject.

Don t think i would like em more seperate, but a premixed product wit imo a double dose.
You wouldn't know unless and until you try it. In particular 2C-E is a profound trip. Meanwhile 4-FMA was noxious, unsettling, skin crawly stim garbage, to me, but as you point out, YMMV.

Are you sure someone can have something backwards, besides your underpants.
No, you're right. I must have got that info backwards ;)

3 & 4-F[M]A were ime abundant, though 4-FA was plain irritating. YMMV.
Might've been your source. Personally, the ~dozen or so friends I shared it with and I all felt that it was a fairly decent drug with many of the same properties possessed by drugs like MDA, MDMA, MDE, the four Benzofury drugs, Methylone, et al. We all liked it and did not find it irritating the way we found 4-FMA to be. The inverse was true for the 2-substitution: 2-FMA is way better than 2-FA. Or it was I who had the shit source, who knows?

I am used to clean Amphetamines and MDMA, all the substitutions were kinda mixmag of.
Mostly speedy substances with some Serotonin.
Oh I know. I feel the same way about those compounds. I'm just saying, they also weren't just abject shit either.

Then again i hate Cocaine, Methylphenidate but love Khat. Not Cathinone, fresh full spectrum.
Ooh la la. Well if you have a source for it, then good on you. Try not to develop mouth, tongue and gum cancer if you ever use it daily. And yeah, I thought we already established that neither of us care for coke or Ritalin.

Weird enough all kids are not on Speed, Coke or MDMA, they all love 3-MMC.
All of them? Every single last one of them, no exception? Lols, idk man, maybe that's true in Europe, but in the U.S., these kids are all about coke, MDMA, and ketamine. Or they're tweekers using crystal meth. Sometimes it's mixed all together with pink food dye and sold as "Tusibi" or simply "Tusi" which came from some Columbian jackasses claiming they had the drug 2C-B when in fact it was just scraps of common street drugs jumbled together and inexplicably dyed pink.

Where is no reasonable explanenation for at all, tried it once.
A dirty stimulant that has won the favor of the youth.
Are you directing these comments at me? You know that I know all of these things, right? I'm not asking you for info on these drugs; I'm only asking about very specifically 3-FA bc I've never even seen it on the RC markets.

They raved over 4-MMC too, but that sounded a bit to good why i declined.
You seem to have a predilection for not trying things or only trying them one time with another compound and then acting like an expert on the subject. I think you should dip your proverbial toes in the water a bit more than that, but that's just my unsolicited $0.02.

While things like 2-FA which was akin to dextro-Amphetamine and 3-FPM, though i prefer dex.
To bad dr always end your script every so year. Are available. 5-MAPB. They want 3-MMC.
You might be generalizing and making assumptions based on your anecdotal experiences and local environment. There's a viable market for 5-MAPB, 5-APB, 6-MAPB, and 6-APB as much as there is one for 3-MMC in my opinion and experience.

Doctors don't end my scripts bc I seek out substances in a different manner that precludes dealing with this shortcoming.

Who btw hallowed MDMA and what does it imply ?
You hallowed it when you said calling 4-FA MDMA-like was "blasphemy" implying a religious context, as though MDMA were somehow "holy"… That's just silly; it's not that big of a deal and the comparison between 4-FA and MDMA is still pertinent.

And if your not looking for answers why it seemed you were asking ?
Because you're not paying attention to the close details of what I'm saying, and it also appears English may not be your first language, so don't sweat it.

Anyways, I never see hardly any mention of the meta-subbed fluorinated amphetamine, 3-FA. I was only asking about that one compound. Indeed, it's rarely sold or sought after.

Now back to my point regarding 2-FMA and 4-FA being the two good compounds while the rest are garbage, let's check it out on psychonautwiki. Ready?

☞ This is why 4-FMA is garbage:
"Similar to MDA, MDMA, 4-FA, and other substances that produce distinct pleasurable tactile 'roll'-like sensations, which is typically linked to serotonin-releasing properties, 4-FMA has been reported to be able to produce similar entactogenic effects in addition to traditional stimulant ones. Some reports suggest it tends to come with more side effects and bodily strain than other fluorinated amphetamines, explaining its lack of popularity and availability."​

☞ This is why 2-FMA is a superior substituted amphetamine:
"In comparison to other substituted amphetamines, 2-FMA is reported to be relatively free of side effects such as nausea, high blood pressure, anxiety and an uncomfortable offset ("comedown"). It is considered to be a functional stimulant for performing general productivity tasks in a manner similar to amphetamine or lisdexamfetamine (Vyvanse)."​

☞ And this is what I understand of 3-FA and why I've never sought it out having done a half dozen other analogs many times over the years:
"… it is not unreasonable to assume that just like other substituted amphetamines with substitutions at similar positions (with the notable exception of 4-FA), it most likely acts primarily as both a dopamine and norepinephrine releasing agent, with modest selectivity for serotonin… 3-FA is considered to be a potent and complex stimulant with mild entactogenic undertones when compared to other substances in its class, like 4-FA. However, it does not have the productivity and focus-enhancing effects often claimed by users of 2-FMA which has had the effect of limiting its appeal."​
It's just weird. While 2-FA is so-so, 2-FMA is much better. Meanwhile 4-FA is pretty fucking good stuff, but 4-FMA is uncomfortable garbage in my opinion. And while it seems the majority of trip reports I"m seeing agree with my conclusion, It is always possible I'm wrong. But again: not looking for answers really. Was just being friendly, having never tried, seen, or hardly heard about 3-FA on the street or in most RC shops.
 
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having never tried, seen, or hardly heard about 3-FA on the street or in most RC shops.

I don't think it was ever very popular. But for some reason, it agreed with me. It was, for me, one of the very few stims which made me feel weirdly calm and able to concentrate on conversations for extended periods. I haven't seen it around for years. Back when all the 2s and 3s and 4s were getting around I think I tried pretty much all of them, but I remember very few distinguishing features.

Then again, I never was a big stim user or connoisseur, and after some disgusting a-PVP binges I ended up not really being able to use stims without getting anxiety. It's got better over the years, but it has literally taken years to recover. Vapourising pure a-PVP was probably the single most compulsive thing I ever came across (even more so than MDPV for some reason).
 
Oh ok, so then you don't really have much experience to base this opinion on.
4 doses, 2 vials so 4 times. Had 4-FMA by itself and its ime garbage. 2C-x don t agree with me so after 2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-D and DOC.
With 2C-T2 the exception as that one is gracious and sweet. Those 4 times 2C-E combo was actually better then the mentioned ones.
Yeah ok. You haven't used them independently, so I don't know how qualified that opinion is. You had one experience taking 2C-E and 4-FMA and now you're proclaiming they mix well, despite stimulants and psychedelics traditionally not mixing well. Mocaine (shrooms + cocaine), Methcaline (meth + mescaline or 2C-B), LSDextroamphetamine, DMTina—you get the gist—they all suck as far as combos go (btw, no one calls them that; I just made those up). At least in my opinion and according to traditional wisdom on the subject.
4 experiences and in me they indeed mixed well suprised me too [the dose should be halved for harm reduction],
probably 2C-E might be a 2C i like too, never bought it seperate though to its fam. Might regret it but i love Lysergics.
Would like to take that everyday, but don t work that way, as figure of speech.
And Mescaline and DMT still on to do list.

Hate Shrooms, except the handpicked inlandish wild ones. And had 1 very good experience on em and one line of Coke.
Lysergics and dextro-Amphetamine go good together imo. They don t suck persee. Stims & psych s. But Coke i d avoid.

Hate it, so that one Shroom + Coke experience was enough. Though they went together fine, and no fiending for Coke while tripping.
At least that was my experience.

You wouldn't know unless and until you try it. In particular 2C-E is a profound trip. Meanwhile 4-FMA was noxious, unsettling, skin crawly stim garbage, to me, but as you point out, YMMV.


No, you're right. I must have got that info backwards ;)
Indeed as my drug list/ experience is quite extensive, but lets keep the experts out.


You seem to have a predilection for not trying things or only trying them one time with another compound and then acting like an expert on the subject. I think you should dip your proverbial toes in the water a bit more than that, but that's just my unsolicited $0.02.

You hallowed it when you said calling 4-FA MDMA-like was "blasphemy" implying a religious context, as though MDMA were somehow "holy"… That's just silly; it's not that big of a deal and the comparison between 4-FA and MDMA is still pertinent.
Wish it was true, didn t munch as much drugs as others in those 33 years, but of everyone of my friends.
Only i did all those weird drugs. Not only the primary pack of standard drug euphoriant s.
Everything new/ not presumed dangerous i tried. Even IAP [IndanylAminoPropane],
and a related drug which name i even forgot.
Anyone have a clue, i curious what it was called, some users where raving about it.
Tried MDPV and noticed i am not a pervert. Didn t like it.

Lets rephrase calling 4-FA MDMA-lite, is misleading to other people/ youth.
It isn t, and MDMA isnt holy [or hallow] either. It was figurative.

Using normal terms bk-MDMA was ime the best then the rest.
[MDMA/ MDEA/ MDA & 5-MAPB] borax doesnt count, no Oxytocin release afaik.
Because you're not paying attention to the close details of what I'm saying, and it also appears English may not be your first language, so don't sweat it.
So its cleared, no sweats to you too 🤙 My Oxford English has decayed over the years, had a 8.
3 seizures ruined my translater [NL 🔄 English, grammar and spelling skills].
And it effected my reading, skipping parts/ or misinterpreting texts. So thats my status quo.
Anyways, I never see hardly any mention of the meta-subbed fluorinated amphetamine, 3-FA. I was only asking about that one compound. Indeed, it's rarely sold or sought after.
3-FA was like i said weird, its inbetween 2 & 4. 2 functional 4 Serotenergic start with a longlasting stimulation.

3 was unlike 4 shorter/ less [after] stimulation. But unfunctional as it has a continues Serotenergic feel that lingers.
With 4 it left or was overpowered quick by stimulant effect. Studying on 3 for me seems impossible unlike on 2.

IME 2-FA study, 3-FA sort of intoxicating / stim. But not everlasting as 4. So 2-FA>3-FA>4-FA imo.
And 4-FA i found to have a unpleasant Serotenergic start, and a long unpleasant stimulating feel that persists.

In a nutshell, especially for you. 🫱 >< 🫲 .

edit: 4-FA i only ordered once didn t like it 3-FA was by mistake, it should have been 2-FA.
As there are some concerns on 3-FA s safety somewhere on Bluelight. Concerning :
"5HT-2B, causing enlarged valves and heart disease after daily use" specific for 3-Fluoro substitutions.

https://www.bluelight.org/community/threads/3-fa-3-fluoro-amphetamine-megathread.506664/

Page one its mentioned by greenmeaniies, but seen it mentioned more times, by a knowledgeable Mod ?
Probably, i am a laymen concerning toxicity prediction.
 
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Didn't respond well to vyvanse, at all.

Felt horrible on it. Reminds me of regular amphetamines, and the after effects aren't as harsh as meth, but still suck.

Ritalin is the way to go for me personally, I just have to dose it twice daily.

No after effects, no cardiac stress etc.
 
"You seem to have a predilection for not trying things or only trying them one time with another compound and then acting like an expert on the subject. I think you should dip your proverbial toes in the water a bit more than that, but that's just my unsolicited $0.02.

You hallowed it when you said calling 4-FA MDMA-like was "blasphemy" implying a religious context, as though MDMA were somehow "holy"… That's just silly; it's not that big of a deal and the comparison between 4-FA and MDMA is still pertinent."

A totally absurd presumption you can t know, well you could if you would do a Sherlock on my posts,
took the time to broaden my response.

Did during that unodelacosa fled, lost connexxion or what. @unodelacosa

Proverbial, oh you mean what people call figure of speech.
Using difficult words doesn t make things eassier, is that the aim.
Hope not, much :heart6: you might need it on the way.

edit: my spirit animal is Turtle they slow on land but mean well 🐢.
 
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