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hollandhomeboy

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hey y'all.
this august it'll be exactly 1 year since my last roll. i took this year off as an experiment of sorts to see if when i roll this august the roll will be better than my last 2 rolls (which although were fantastic, just "weren't the same.") in other words, i felt as though if i did it again soon i could risk "losing the magic". i felt like i was on the way i guess, so this is my attempt to see if the magic returns.

ANYWAYS, there's this awesome music festival coming up and i have considered using either 6-apb or 4-fmp.
i haven't tried either, though from reading they're both compared to mdma and seem pretty fun.

MY CONCERN:
will taking either one of these (or just one of these even) hinder or ruin my near-year progress of mdma celibacy? since they're so similar to mdma, will doing either one (in about 2 weeks) make it that when i roll it won't be the same as having done it a whole year without doing either of these substances? hope im making sense here...

any help would be greatly appreciated,
thanks!
 
You've waited a long time and I don't think you were using enough to lose the magic. I say you just roll, just make sure your getting legit stuff.
 
6-APB is cross tolerant with MDMA, if I'm not mistaken. Not sure about 4-FMP but if that's another amphetamine-like stim then it's probably cross tolerant too.
 
Both will have cross tolerance. I think 4-fmp (aka 4-fa) will have slightly less of an effect but it is still a serotonin releaser. I would advise you to avoid both as to make the most of the mdma.
 
shit, but then in that case wouldn't any substance which is a serotonin releaser mess with it too? i've done some trips with 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met twice since the roll, plus i was planning on taking acid at this festival in two weeks and i'm pretty damn sure that LSD is a serotonin releaser... maybe i'm not understanding properly :? in other words, would any serotonin releaser (like most psychedelics) hinder my progress as the 2 previously mentioned substances allegedly would?

i assumed maybe it has something to do with agonists... so like mdma is supposed to be a strong agonist of TAAR1... again, im prob getting this wrong.
 
Taking LSD a day or two before MDMA will dampen the roll a little, but perhaps not by much.
 
hollandhomeboy said:
shit, but then in that case wouldn't any substance which is a serotonin releaser mess with it too? i've done some trips with 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met twice since the roll, plus i was planning on taking acid at this festival in two weeks and i'm pretty damn sure that LSD is a serotonin releaser... maybe i'm not understanding properly :? in other words, would any serotonin releaser (like most psychedelics) hinder my progress as the 2 previously mentioned substances allegedly would?

i assumed maybe it has something to do with agonists... so like mdma is supposed to be a strong agonist of TAAR1... again, im prob getting this wrong.
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Psychedelics agonize serotonin, not release it. Stimulants are mainly the only things that will hamper an experience. 4-FA would be fine as long as you have a few weeks in between, but the 6-APB is so extremely similar to MDMA that it will destroy all your progress,
 
I cannot see 4-fa being very fun at a music festival. Nor do I feel the effect profile is anywhere similar to MDMA. Either way, have fun.
 
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