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Thanatos

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Hey guys, I use to trip quite often, with mos of my experience coming from LSD, mushrooms, 4-HO-MET, and a number of the 2C series compounds. It's been over a year since I tripped so obviously I have no tolerence. I cessiated use due to mental health problems and general fear of tripping but I recently became interested again.

I recently purchased some 4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-DET. Can you guys give me any insight into what I'm getting into, considering the long period of time between trips. I haven't tried either and am not satisfied with the big and dandy threads or Tihkal entries.

Thanks in advance!
 
I had a three year break once, always been mental, but I'm much happier these days..the first few trips back were magical. Felt like it did when I was 16, but able to control myself better. Still need to get around to 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-DET was neat at 25mg oral, but I kinda wish I just ate the whole 50mg sample I had with some MXE or DXM. Though one is supposed to start small an all.
 
Yeah I'm not sure what dose I ahold go for first. I only have a small supply and would like to make the most out of the material I have. So 25mgs was underwhelming? I hate that psychedelic limbo land where you are neither sober, but no where close to a +3 or +4 experience.

For a little more background info, I have only tripped 5 or so times on mushrooms as my only psyched in the last 2.5 years, but have done my fair share of good old PCP and MXE in that time period as well.

Do you guys think vaping a bit of the pscilocetin on top of say 15-18mg 4-HO-DET fumurate would be a waste? I wanna blast off like I used to with base tryps.
 
not sure what you mean by "blast off with base tryps," but 4-aco-dmt, dosed orally, hits very quickly. within 5 or 10 minutes on higher doses.
 
Well something akin to, but obviously less intense than hat I have experienced with DMT and DPT, not necessarily an ego destroyer but an experience that is nice and rushy as well as euphoric. I'm not exactly trying to meet god here on my first trip back in over a year.

Would it be possible to vaporize or IM/IV either of these with good effect? Or should I just plug/insufflate for maximum intensity/visuals?
 
Yeah, it was threshold effects, a little flowing on the walls, an glowing shifting color CEVs, slightly rushy headspace
I hear that vaping 4-aco-dmt is a waste. Snorting, and IM are supposed to conserve product. MXE and shrooms ( last time I did that aliens showed me the sex act that created humanity in great detail...looked a lot like 70s porn, visualizing being a 2D cog in the machinery of the universe on comedown, on fairly small doses of both) are two great tastes that go great together..
 
Could someone possibly make a comparison between 4-HO-DET and 4-HO-MET? I've used metocin roughly 50-60 times so a comparison would give me an idea of the subtle differences to expect.
 
What is the problem with the Big & Dandy threads on those compounds if you are asking mostly about information in general about 'what you are getting into'. What makes you think those compounds get discussed clearly here but not in the central threads?

Please help us by explaining better what you want to know, for example if you are apprehensive from not having tripped in such a while that you would like to know how forgiving these compounds are. Add that information if you want to get decent answers.
And even so, I still think you can ask such questions in the central threads. Asking for others to basically decide which one is better for you is against PD policy and I would've expected you to know that. We treat everyone who makes a new thread based on their recent purchase asking for comparisons the same. :) And just recommend that you take your own time and attention to research compounds. Saying that the entire archive of Erowid and PD on them is enough but expecting a new thread to do the trick is nonsense.

At the moment I do think this thread can benefit from people's insight into how you can approach taking up tripping again after a long break. Personal experiences with that would be very valuable to hear I think.

More importantly than making the right choice how to start up again I think you should look at your set and setting very well and start your initial dosage quite low and take it easy developing a relation with the psychedelic state again. Do some low to moderate dose contemplation, meditation, soul-searching during a nice walk in nature, that sort of thing.

(For what it's worth I think 4-AcO-DMT is very trance or dream like and deeply spiritual, but develops more slowly and smoothly than the related psilocin or DMT which are more agressive while having similar content.
I have not tried 4-HO-DET yet.)
 
^ well I said I was considering it. I've had many amazing experiences mixing substances I've never tried before. Compensate for dose and wait until effects have stabilized before using the DiPT.

Do you prefer Insufflation over vaping for any particular reason?
 
I actually just had a recent spark of psychedelia interest as well, because of a want for some 2c-b (which has now made me want to experience DOb and 25b). I think the biggest thing is just being okay with dedication time for the entire experience. One of the reasons I decided to quit using psychedelics years ago was because I took them at very inopportune moments, like nights before work or class. Now I am much more responsible, and I have a load of valium I can pop up my ass on the comedown (Super Hans joke, if you like Peep Show).
 
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