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Return of Methaqualone?

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LDopaPDX

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Curious...

I friend of mine in law enforcement recently told me about a bust of a local dealer with hundreds of pills of methaqualone (Quaaludes). He usually is a pretty good source of novelty information, but this time I told him that he was full of shit.

"Ludes have been gone for years, dude," says I.

"Not so fast, dude. They weren't Ludes, just the same drug," says he.

"Still don't believe you." retorted I.

"Swear to God man. The guy told us he got them from a buddy in Africa. I thought it was bullshit too. But apparently they are the real thing! He says they have been selling like crazy at raves." countered he.

Point? I checked online and found that methaqualone is still marketed in South Africa under the name Mandrax. Many of you probably already know this, but it was sure news to me. Has anyone heard of these in circulation?
 
Mandrax is methaqualone with an antihistamine made by Rousell Labrotories. It's been marketed in various countries since the mid 1960's. Mandrax has been illegal in the US since 1984, when methaqualone was made a schedule 1 drug.

Mandrax is where we get the ever retarded slang terms for ludes including "mandies" or "mandrakes".
 
Large amount of counterfeit methaqualone tablets were made in africa and mexico, contain diazepam. They even say the brand name" lemmon" on them and everything, ive seen them, but they are in fact diazepam. Methaqualone is only made in clandestine labs and is usually sold as a powder. It is very rare to come by. But if you have some methaqualone tablets that say "lemmon" on them, like the original ones, i hope you like valium......
 
Well, first off, the "Mandrax" in (namely South) Africa are clandestine ...

But yes, again, the Us has been FLOODED by the fake 714's ... they look PERFECT, I mean, whoever made the press DEFINITLY used a real pill to do it ... but all you get is a high dose of Valium, but still, if yer only paying $5 and getting 50mg of Valium, thats not a bad deal...

But back to the "Mandrax" issue - it's a HUGE thing in Africa, like their #1 abused drug ... I had a friend send me some samples, and having had a REAL 'lude (ex-gf's dad found a 20 year old bottle under his medicine cabinet and shared his wealth) I can tell you that these Afruican ones have maybe 50mg-100mg MAX methaqualone .... have they made their way to America? I don't actually think the REAL ones are, I think whats going around at raves is nothing but the bullshit 714's with lots of Valium (last report I read they also had some with other various benzos in them)

Does Roussel Lab's still evne manufacture Mandrax? From what i hadread, all the Mandrax going around Africa are counterfeits - I mean, they do have (low) amounts of methaqualone inthem but are not being made by Roussel .. I may be wrong, but what I recieved looked like the rela Mandraz ("MX" on one side and "RL" on the other) but couldn't have had more then 50mg methaqualone in them max, so I am just about positive those are counterfeits ...

Are we likely to ever see someonesetup a clandestine lab and supply the US with REAL methaqualone tabs? No, not likely... lets not forget that like a baseline dose of methaqualone is about 150mg - do the math - thats a lot of fucking powder to produce when then END USER will only be paying, say, $5-$10 ($10 MAX!) ... if you look at how much the chemist would be making, it's not financially worth it... sure, they would be bringing back a drug thats today drug users have never even tried, but it's far more profitable to make something else ....

Now the methaqualone synth is NOT tghat horribly complicated of a clandestine drug synth, and the precursors are NOT totally impossible to get - so, it is possible some kilo-batchers could make some, cap it at maybe 100mg a cap, and then market those as "real 'ludes" ... but are we likely to ever see it produced on the scale we see MDMA being pressed into pills? I say no, definitly not ... though it is very possible a supply of the African, um, we will call them "methaqualone tabs" could make it into the US, in limited amounts of course, and based upon the sample I had (from South Africa) - you're likely to be unhappy ... remember, people were "luding out" back in the 70's-80's on the 150mg and 300mg tabs ....

But hey, I welcome any inteligent debate ...
 
The pills i saw looked very real, its said "lemmon 714" and was made from a good press. I have also seen fake dilaudid k4's that look very real, but again were valium. These were make or some serious press, and must have mass produced. I chewed it up and immediate knew it was fake. Dont buy diluadid in mexico, before chewing one up and seeing if it taste like opiates, although benzos are also bitter, but in a different way. The look exactly the same.

Before i was seriously into drugs, I chanced upon 3 20-30 year old real 150mg ludes at my grandmothers house, in the original prescription bottle. I took them, and it was unique, but i didnt pass out or anything, i had a benzo tolerance and the pills were probably degraded by age. And yes, its not profit wise to synth methaqualone, a fentanyl analogue would prove far more profitable from just a few grams..........
 
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negrogesic said:
The pills i saw looked very real, its said "lemmon 714" and was made from a good press. I chanced upon 3 20-30 year old real 150mg ludes at my grandmothers house, in the original prescription bottle. I took them, and it was unique, but i didnt pass out or anything, i had a benzo tolerance and the pills were probably degraded by age. And yes, its not profit wise to synth methaqualone, a fentanyl analogue would prove far more profitable from just a few grams..........
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It's the Lemmon 714's that are the fakes... and yes, as I said, the press is truely as good as ANY pill you'd buy at a pharmacy ... but these have been tested by everyone from DanceSafe to the DEA and have shown to contain between 30mg-60mg diazepam ....

But negro - you have had the real things - I think you can agree with me that kids are REALLY not missing what they think they are....
 
^^^^Definately, the past generation of hippies (same idiots who smoked weed with seeds in it) have without a doubt made the drug seem like something it truly isnt. Dont bend over backwards for this stuff. I'd rather have some nembutals than methaqualone. Even though mine were old as hell, i definately felt close to the full effect of the drug, and it wasnt particularly awe inspiring. I think those yuppie morons who were "luding out" are a bunch of ludsers.
 
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^^^^Definately, the past generation of hippies (same idiots who smoked weed with seeds in it) have without a doubt made the drug seem like something it truly isnt. Dont bend over backwards for this stuff. I'd rather have some nembutals than methaqualone. Even though mine were old as hell, i definately felt close to the full effect of the drug, and it wasnt particularly awe inspiring. I think those yuppie morons who were "luding out" are a bunch of ludsers.
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Well, thanks very much for the ad hominem slam. It got me off my butt enough to register so I could reply.

Obviously everyone has their own taste in psychoactives; I'm not sure why it's necessary to belittle those whose tastes are different, particularly when we're talking about an opinion based on a single experience.

Anway, I have never found anything close to Ludes for being able to create this wonderful dichotomy where you were perfectly clearminded but f'd up to the point of stumbling and slurring your words. A friend of mine put it as "Your brain in Gumby's body." Kind of like drinking 12 beers but with no dizziness or queasy stomach.

Never had Mandrax though I think the antihistamine would make them a bit too sleepy. Like I said, the beauty of ludes was the way you would get way relaxed but still feel totally aware.

Guess I'm just a "yuppie moron", but if you have some suggestions for alternatives, lay it out there.
 
I assumed Roucell still made Mandrax, because I've never heard otherwise. Yes, 99% of the "Mandrax" any of us could score would be bogus/clandestine/counterfit and/or straight out of East Africa/SE Asia.
 
Well, thanks very much for the ad hominem slam. It got me off my butt enough to register so I could reply.
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Sorry if i offended you, I just thought my little phrase was funny, at least I thought it was. I hear many stories from "your generation", about "ludes" and how they were so magical. From personally trying them, although only once, all I can say is that id rather have some pentobarbital (nembies). Maybe its an aquired taste.......

But this is the same generation who knew very little about the drugs they were imbibing, and are often responsable for generating all these stupid drug myths to their off-spring, like "lsd imbeds into the spinal chord", "we used to make lsd by the gallon in bathtubs", and "mda is a 'Mind Destroying Agent (some truth to that)'" and countless others. But you created us, so we are simply a product of this as I put it "yuppie" generation .

Kind of like drinking 12 beers but with no dizziness or queasy stomach
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^^Oh yea, ever hear of this drug called GHB? Its pretty far out.....
 
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Funny that you mention GHB being like alcohol, 'cause some shady folks down in Canada were selling "Liquid Quaalude" but it was just GHB... I guess i'm just stating, if you ever get offered a "liquid" Lude make sure it isn't salty first...
 
I have never come into contact with quaalude(methaqualone) but some people in there 40's-50's told me they were quite good. They all also mentioned lemmon 714.

I would like to try it once in my life.
 
negrogesic said:
Sorry if i offended you, I just thought my little phrase was funny, at least I thought it was. I hear many stories from "your generation", about "ludes" and how they were so magical. From personally trying them, although only once, all I can say is that id rather have some pentobarbital (nembies). Maybe its an aquired taste.......
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Well, any drug story or experience is not just about the drug; it's going to be colored by what was going on at the time. Hell, 20 years from now, some kid may take some E and wonder what everyone was raving about. Context is everything and us old people are just waxing sentimental about ludes because that was our youth. If I had one now I doubt it'd be as magical. I'd probably down it with a beer and fall asleep on the couch watching "Law and Order".

But if you do know where to find some... ;-)


But this is the same generation who knew very little about the drugs they were imbibing,
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I think you're just plain wrong here, if only because it's rather silly to generalize ignorance to an entire generation. There are still plenty of stupid young people taking drugs they have no clue about.

^^Oh yea, ever hear of this drug called GHB? Its pretty far out.....
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I'd like to try it but I have slim chance of finding someone holding that I trust.
 
^^^Yes, I suppose i can understand there being a certain nostalgic importance you can place on a drug, especially if it was some sort of representation of your youth. But i think we can both agree the drug is nothing magical. And honestly, I think you would really enjpy GHB, as it has many of the inhibition loss and giddiness qualities that can be also attributed to methaqualone.

And you are correct, there are just as many idiots in this generation than was in yours, maybe more.........

Also, I think most of us have realized the limited value of mdma, or I at least would hope so..........

Opiates are where it is at, where it was at, and where it will be at.
 
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