Lately i've been using mdvp and while i've heard many horror stories about it i've actually found it rather useful. i know a lot of people feel compelled to redose too much and end up in an unenjoyable state. i however don't get that, stimulants were never my thing. So I've been using about 3-5 mg a da and i've found that its become a cheaper daily stimulant than caffeine. assuming my doses stay in the 3-5 mg a day range is there anything dangerous about daily responsible mdvp use?
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Responsible use of MDPV?
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sekio
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It's likely to elevate your blood pressure and will eventually lose efficacy.
Mugz
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I'm very surprised that you are able to keep your doses at the range that you say and that you don't find the urge to redose. I always thought that responsible use of mdpv was an oxymoron but I guess not.
As sekio said though it will likely elevate your blood pressure, and you will build a tolerance over time.
Even if you are managing to stay responsible with it now, I fear that a slip up one day, say on a weekend when you decide to try out a recreational dose instead of your usual dose could lead to you going on a binge and losing the ability to control your dosing.
You could beat the odds though, there have been some people that are able to use it responsibly for long periods of time, just not many.
As sekio said though it will likely elevate your blood pressure, and you will build a tolerance over time.
Even if you are managing to stay responsible with it now, I fear that a slip up one day, say on a weekend when you decide to try out a recreational dose instead of your usual dose could lead to you going on a binge and losing the ability to control your dosing.
You could beat the odds though, there have been some people that are able to use it responsibly for long periods of time, just not many.
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Who are these people that can use such things responsibly there should be some kind of punishment in place just for being so fekin annoying.
Put me near anything vaguely intoxicating and I'll have read up on it on the net and started abusing it long before most people have even got the packaging off.
Really anyone who can responsible use something MDPV over any length of time shouldn't even be allowed Greenlighter status, there should be special category
Who are these people that can use such things responsibly there should be some kind of punishment in place just for being so fekin annoying.
Put me near anything vaguely intoxicating and I'll have read up on it on the net and started abusing it long before most people have even got the packaging off.
Really anyone who can responsible use something MDPV over any length of time shouldn't even be allowed Greenlighter status, there should be special category
i know that i definitely have a tendency for addiction though binging on stimulants really doesn't seem like a fun time to me. its funny my problem drug was without a doubt alcohol and to a lesser extent benzos. i have a lot of anxiety issues so of course those drugs seem nice to me, only they seem so nice that as soon as i do them i think i feel so great that i want to be like that all the time and before i know it i'm back in the nightmarish world of erratic belligerent behavior, alcohol withdrawals, and waking up in jail. responsible use of alcohol is absolutely impossible for me. while i've experimented with various stimulants, high doses of them cause me a lot of anxiety and it just doesn't appeal. for curiosities sake i tried a higher dose of mdpv at first and though i saw how that super stimulation could potentially be nice the anxiety made it unbearable for me. nothing about that was enjoyable.
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If you're able to use stimulant without binging then you'll likely avoid many of the problems that people have with them. I don't know much about MDPV in particular or long-term of use of it but if you should be able to notice if you start needing higher doses or have stronger urges to redoes.
Unfortunately I've managed to get myself into hot water with both stimulants and Benzos and booze......anything that is vaguely habit forming seems problem for me these days I collect them like stamps8)
With MDPV it was almost like the psychosis itself was an attraction, weird feker that I am.
For the OP, all that said I would approach daily dosing with great caution you are bound to build tolerance and of you redose during the day sleep is most unlikely setting off a possible binge as you'll need to redose to get through the next day..and so on and so on.
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i'm really debating this in my head and while i know i have an addictive personality and that's something that i'm thinking of large doses/binging on stimulants seems so unappealing to me. if you put a fifth of vodka or a bottle of xanax in front of me the gabaergic anxiety relief that those things provide will be so appealing to me and before you know it I'll be waking up in jail or the hospital with no idea what i did the past week. i just always want more and more when it comes to gabaergic drugs. on the other hand i've experimented with several stimulants over the years from caffeine to crack to amphetamines and while i see how some people can enjoy them my anxiety issues make high doses of stimulants a miserable experience. but maybe i'm just making a rationalization. i'm not quite sure.
I can't judge you in anyway but when I was doing coke I remember that "one more line and I'll feel OK again" syndrome, I'd go through an eighth and probably only really enjoyed the first couple of lines.
MDPV I done 3-4 day runs on it has a strange way of dragging me (maybe not you) into its twisted world of paranoia and anxiety and there is no option but just to keep re dosing, maybe having some benzos on hand might have stopped the cycle, but I doubt it
MDPV I done 3-4 day runs on it has a strange way of dragging me (maybe not you) into its twisted world of paranoia and anxiety and there is no option but just to keep re dosing, maybe having some benzos on hand might have stopped the cycle, but I doubt it
Escapedysphoria
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Sounds all bad to me. Daily use of MDPV is gonna deplete the fuck out of your dopamine in time. It doesn't sound much better than using meth daily as a stimulant. IME, the only time I ever tried MDPV the comedown was so bad I had no desire to ever touch it again
if my mdvp use stays under 10 mg a day would that still deplete my dopamine? this is a tricky situation for me cause addiction has had quite a profound effect on my life. i've had legal problems that have ranged from public urination to assault charges (apparently i hit someone over the head with a champagne bottle but i have no recollection of that), i've had multiple alcohol/benzo induced car accidents, I've ruined friendships, I've gotten to the point were my family wanted to completely wash their hands of me, i've suffered through alcohol withdrawal in detox several times and i've been in rehab a few times, but i can honestly say that all those problems were entirely caused by alcohol and benzos. when i start with alcohol and benzos i keep going till disaster strikes, stimulants on the other hand get very dysphoric at high doses. when i tried doing 7+mg of mdvp i was so uncomfortable that the last thing on my mind was redosing. what i was thinking about was how good a pint of vodka or 4 mg of xanax would be to make that anxiety go away. although i now have 152 days without any booze or benzos and i'm trying to keep it that way so i don't go off the deep end again. also i don't know if this matters but im prescribed prozac daily for depression, neurontin daily for anxiety, and antabuse daily to keep me off the booze. would mdpv interact in an undesirable way with any of those medications?
Escapedysphoria
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"It is supposedly active at 3–5 mg, with typical doses ranging between 5–20 mg" Also four times the potency of Ritalin. Yes, to my knowledge it would still deplete your dopamine. I would think Prozac would lessen the effects, but I'm not sure of that. Gabapentin (Neurontin) would probably slow you down on the MDPV and relieve the potential anxiety that comes along with MDPV use considering it's a GABA analogue.
Having brought my booze and benzo binging to an end 1/7/2011, although the benzos where only added in the last few months,I've been drinking heavily for about 3 years and currently being on AD meds there are claerky come similarities in our situations.
Taking MDPV daily isn't something I would recommend to anyone, let alone some with an addiction profile like yours, sounds to me more like your looking for a daily habit to replace what you had with the booze and blues and you're trying to justify it to yourself because its an upper and not a downer...sorry to psychoanalyze you its just what it sounds like from reading your posts, I don't know you so may have this all wrong.
Sounds to me like you need to rid your self of daily drug use,something I'm yet to finally manage, but introducing a potent stimulant as an every day thing can't be a good idea however you look at it.
atm23 you were so right. i should have listened. i knew in the back of my head that i was just rationalizing this shit. everything was going well when i was just doing oral dosing, and then i got to thinking....... i use to smoke heroin every once and awhile and while i don't do it often, only did a handful of times a year, i did always enjoy the process. so i got the bright idea that maybe it would be fun to smoke some mdvp just for curiosities sake. i had oral dosing under control and while i knew this would be more of a rush I figured enough of the mdpv would be burnt up so as to make the mdpv that actually enters my bloodstream a small enough quantity to not be too hard to handle. bad fucking idea. crack didn't even make me want to redose that much. once i started smoking that shit i wanted to do it again and again and again. i just decided to smoke the rest and be done with it. and now i think my family thinks i'm a tweaker. i won't be trying that again.
You definitely don't want to use this stuff for daily usage. I haven't done much reading on it because it just seems like a horrible chemical. 3-5 mg may work for the first 2 months or w.e but you are gonna slowly up the dosage. Its bound to happen, and if you keep doing it every day your dopamine terminals will be so depleted that you will get zero euphoria off it eventually. All you will get is stimmy side effects, paranoia, anxiety , depression and all of the bad shit. Stick to caffeine
Escapedysphoria
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I'm sorry PallMall I know how it goes trying to rationalize addictions, believe me I've done it many times before (heroin, benzos ect...). As you can probably see, it would most likely be in your best interest to stick to caffeine.
perKeceT
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major ups for being able to control your MDPV usage. but im not a big stim fan at all also and the one time i got PV it was an all day all night trainwreck with no sleep and auditory hallucinations. and i didnt even really like it. but after the first little bump, i couldnt even wait more than half an hour before doing another. eventually i felt like i needed to just keep redosing. MDPV is a nasty drug IMO but if youre able to keep your doses that low and youre getting benefit out of it then good for you, just be careful man!