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Research Study: Long Term Ecstasy Users Don’t Have Brain Damage

well i think this study def has its flaws.................. one having been stated above several times , its impurities. Also its hard to measure the brain damge from X b/c im sure the subjects, w. that kind of use, def used or are currently using other drugs too.

I totally agree w/ someone who said that 800 tabs is a ridiculous amonunt of X. I think they should study all dif types of users from the occasinal, less than once every 2 months to moderate, once or twice a month, to heavy like the people tested.

But good job guys not believeing something just b/c its in ur favor. That says alot.
 
my head hurtz...wherez another pill..then u start to feel differnt. i agree wit ol dude..go on how u feel. i feel like it fucked wit me a lil. but wit less use after periods of time..almost subsides..not deep inside proubly.

drugz fuck u up..point..pass that fifth ..pass that joint
 
I feel like my serotonin reseptor is burnt out. I wish death. hahah j'k I feel like amillion bucks hahaha..... wheres the beans...beans.....beans....hehehe.

Fuck rolls...they do fuck with your head....If you say they didnt fuck with your head your head is fucked.... Chronic cures you from the etardeness....Trust me happiness is with the chronic....WHooo
 
Thats a matter of opinion. Happiness is with no drug. Happiness is accuplishing something, hanging with friends and making something of yourself.
Drugs aren't a means to an end, just a way of short term pleasure. I don't like weed since smoking makes me sick (almost literally).
But you are right, drugs do fuck with your head, any drug. I don't beleive any research that claims any drug doesn't do harm, because blatently they all do if abused.
 
i have been taking up to 4pills a week for 2years,with no side effects.Some of my friends are rolling even longer and they are fine,so i dont think its that bad as they want you to believe.

ps:im stopped taking E for 3 years now

sorry if my english isnt that good.
 
okay... im NOT a scientist....hell im not even that smart.....but let me tell u (from actualy long term experience) that E fucks up your brain hardcore!

I can feel the pain my brain is in, I think sometimes i can actualy feel holes being burnt into my brain.

Once past 1000 pills your brain is not only damaged it stats 2 become a drug of its own. hehe

I could go on 4ever on the damageing effect of e on the brain!
(but i don't want 2 scare n/e 1 off it)
 
Holes being burned into your brain?? Been wathcing to much operah ey?

"don't beleive any research that claims any drug doesn't do harm, because blatently they all do if abused."

oh really? There are tons and tons of xtc users in the world. I'd say it's the most popular drug next to weed. Still, no one has as yet shown any clear evidence of brain damage on humans. How the hell can this be if if it really does cause brain damage?
 
Operah??? Please!

First of all what i know and what i have learned about E is from experience only!!!!!!!!!!!! Not from Opera or n/e other t.v. show. THat's ridiculus.

I don't need 2 hear opera, mtv's or n/e one eles opions on the damages of e b/c i know first hand.
I agree with u when u say that e is a very popular drug right now, but is is also very new compared 2 other drugs. The damages r not know and won't be 4 a very long time. But they r REAL.
 
KANKOR said:
oh really? There are tons and tons of xtc users in the world. I'd say it's the most popular drug next to weed. Still, no one has as yet shown any clear evidence of brain damage on humans. How the hell can this be if if it really does cause brain damage?
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I'm sure there are. I'm one of them. I don't feel E has done me any harm yet. If I started abusing it, like taking E every week for a year or twice a week for a few months I'd certainly notice somethign was up.

Any chemical which messes with your neurochemistry can have bad effects if you take enough. Caffeine (the most used drug on Earth), if abused, will cause problems. Nicotine, will cause anxiety and stress.
"Abuse" by definition means you are doing something more than is health or safe.

MDMA is a very tough chemical on the brain, one of the toughest and to think that something that knocks your neurochemistry sideways for 6 hours isn't going to do you a jot of damage is just being just silly.

If you haven't suffered any problems then good for you. You either have a resilient neurochemistry or have had the good sense to keep a cap on your usage. Its good to see some people have :)
 
I have to say that when I first started taking pills I was 21... and I did everything in my life to excess (which included my pill intake). For about a year and a half I did it at least 1-2 times a week usually taking 4 pills a night. Obvoiusly, after a while I started to not even feel the effects of the high... just all of the come downs. I had started to have lapses in memory and seemed to be a little emotionally stressed so I decided to let my body and mind have a chance to repair itself. I quit for about 8 months. And now I usually do it every 4-6 months. I am going to be 25 soon. And I am glad that I've learned to slow down a bit. I can honestly say it's a better expereince now than it used to ever be. Every time is similar to how the very first time was... powerful and fun! I was so glad to learn that there's no long term brain damage in users so far... but I definitely agree that moderation is the way to go. Eventhough I still usually average 3 pills a night. I just can't help myself! =D
 
Yep, everyone that takes pills 3-5 times a month needs to slow their roll. You might not feel anything fucked up with your head now, you will. There may not be any long term damage, but there is defenitaly some damage, as in your stress and depression. It might not be strong depression, but buddy it'll be there.

When you start feeling the depression, hit us up, and tell us that we were right. Take a break inbetween roll sessions.
 
I..... roll (were im from we call it "dose or kick") about 4-5 times every week. And i drop about 8 pills each time.

I now have been diagnosed with bipolar deppression. If that dosen't prove that there r serious damages from E than I can list a lot more!

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"You might not feel anything fucked up with your head now, you will."

THat is very true. They say it takes a full month for all the chems to exit your body and also for u 2 feel completly normal.
So if u r doin it more than once a month, chances r u will become deppressed. Im not goin 2 get into all the scientific reasons why E makes u deppressed but if you r doing E heavely like i am, u should know ALL of them already.

I've have been doing mostly E but also (meth/ice, k, coke, uppers ect.) for only 2 full years (but almost every day) Does that count as "long term use"?
What does?


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Are you trying to prove that these compounds can cause damage - OR - are you trying to show that "heavy" use of these compounds will cause damage?
I've have been doing mostly E but also (meth/ice, k, coke, uppers ect.) for only 2 full years (but almost every day)
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No disrespect intended, but you sound like a poster child for drug abuse. Just doing meth that often alone can produce neurological problems.
 
^^Well im not tryin 2 prove n/e thing actualy.....I already KNOW that heavy use DOES cause damage, that's all.

^no, i think im the poster child for "extreme" drug abuse. I haven't met n/e 1 yet who does as much e as i do(but im sure there r people). Not that Im proud of that or the fact that Im wacked now.
 
I think that its good that bluelighters are arguing against something which says that drugs aren't harmful :) I haven't read the artucle yet, but I think what the results show are interesting. Also, the fact that Ricuarte's study was recalled, due to being flawed (the MDMA and meth vials were swapped), also supprots this new study, as the Ricuarte study was used in America to help demonise ecstasy. However, I think that pills do cause damage, even if only in the short term. Many of the responses here highlight that, and lend support ot eh idea that drugs most likely have a long term impact by knocking your neurochemistry for six hours.

What someone said about the placebo effect was really interesting though, which I haven't thought about in respect to pills being bad for you...interesting theory. It also occured to me the other day that my memory is getting worse since I started taking pills. Could that just be a consequence of geting older though? And the fact that we have so much stuff that we process and remember every day. This is a chance that it could be due to that, not to drugs. But still, I reckon they're bad for you, especially in large doses and often.

Also, some of the people who have posted seem to be abusing drugs, wayyy too much. Could it be that the kind of people who take and abuse drugs are already depressed, and it's not the drugs? No offence to anyone.

My two cents :)
 
I have read all the posts and it seems the effects sides are all split down the middle on everyones opinions. The fact is there is no long term tests done on E thus until they do they will never know. I seem to remember catching a tv report on mdma for the us here about a year ago that stated that mdma was a legal drug until 1985 it was being used for psyciatric purposes. They to did research on effects after a period of 6 months on e users. !1 person had been an avid user for 1 year approx. consumption of 2-4 pills a week. Yes they did see some loss of memory but after just one month her memory had returned dramatically. I have rolled 4 days in a row for a four month period every week and I stopped and waited a year and I had no lingering effects to date I occasionally might roll seems like a once maybe twice a year deal now but my memory is still as sharp as can be , which is actually very good. I have not noticed any long term effects personally and it has been 5 years since I took my first roll. The fact is E can be dangerous if nothing else it can be to what people add to it. So stay safe and always test.
 
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21-10-2003 19:46 (#1347526)
resistor, where do you read about this dramatically improvement?


Sorry I did not mean improvement as in better I meant as from where her memory loss was at at the biggining of the study. Also it was something I caught on tv the discovery channel or one of the medical channels. It also discussed the use of ketimine. If anyone else seen it please let me know what the name was so I can get it from whatever channel had it on. So as I might be able to make a link leading t it it was very enlighting.
 
1. Between the German study and the US study, the German comes out with a result that does NOT cater to what the funders wanted to find. I mean, I can't see how the German government could have WANTED to show ecstasy was apparently harmless (well, harmless in certain ways that were tested). So, all things being equal, I trust the German study more than the US study.

2. Just because lots of ecstasy users have mental/emotional problems or you used ecstasy and have mental/emotional problems, does NOT prove that ecstasy causes mental/emotional problems. The fact is, a lot of NON-ecstasy users have mental/emotional problems. It is possible an ecstasy user with mental/emotional problems would have had those problems anyway. Or perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle, like a person might be on the verge of clinical depression, but perhaps would not go over the edge and would be fine BUT FOR the fact that the person takes ecstasy which exposes the person to unnaturally high highs and unnaturally low lows, that results in the person going over the edge and becoming clinically depressed. But, then again you could have many experiences that push you one way or the other if you are on the edge of some mental/emotional problem. A supportive lover, a bad break up, an insightful self-help book, a car accident, etc.

So, anyway, I think it is pretty sketchy for peole to say, "Hey, I know ecstasy causes mental problems because we know from the Dark Side that a lot of users have problems" or "I know it is bad for you because I used ecstasy and now I am manic depressive." These anecdotal experiences prove nothing without being quantified.

And, as I'm sure some one has noted before me, if you are TAKING ecstasy, you are a drug user and a lot of people take drugs (or take them to excess) BECAUSE they have mental/emotional problems, difficulty coping, etc. And so that even makes it dumber to assume that if some one takes drugs, and then has a mental or emotional problem, the drug caused it.

3. The German study only looked at certain aspects of brain functioning, and so it cannot be used as proof that Ecstasy causes no form of damage to the brain, or causes no mental/emotional problems. And, further, it certainly cannot be used to prove that Ecstasy use does not cause other damage, such as to the liver and kidneys and heart.

I'm looking forward to some study to reconcile the US and German studies (or debunk one or the other).

~psychoblast~
 
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