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Research Study: Long Term Ecstasy Users Don’t Have Brain Damage

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Sorry even though im new to E as such... non of these test mean shit to us..

we dont know if it was pure MDMA they were tested with and if it was how rarely do we get pure MDMA - i guess its other drugs mixed that screw up the brain...

ive read many reports about pure MDMA giving ppl no long term effects about any thing... showing that MDMA could possibly be legal for over 21 in the States - i dunno where i read this..


UK hate E.. so if we ever do test it were always gonna influence on the bad points..


"Local Man shoots 2 kis"

a local man shoots two teenagers who were playing on his field in south east england.

if u read that u would think WAT AN EVIL MAN.

but what about

"local kis rip cow insides out"

the real story, where some kids rip a cows stomach open and scared all the other cows with it... o mite i mention - they got shot by a air rirfle!!


stories are mis understood every day.. wait till theres real proof on over a 1000 subjects to pure MDMA and when they legilise it i will believe everything they say..

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xXTOKERXx, I desagree whit you, I had took 2,5 g of pills in 25 months, whitout any significance negative effect when I took 1,5 g of pure MDMA on july( 6 days ) and 1g of pure MDMA on september ( 1 day ), then I presented negative effects, And now too.

I see you know prviledeged information, then do you know someone who has full recovery whitout residual effects?, I dont, do you know someone who had have negative effect?, I do:|
 
i see what your saying, and its valid and correct - for u that is..

as it unsure wat the nega tive effects are, then who knows - ihave a friend who has been rolling for a few years and once a week every week, hes fine no side effects or anything!

are u 100% positive it was pure mdma, not mixed?? and who told u? or did u test it your self?

i hear there bad effects and do know ppl fucked becuz of it - or isit due to somethin else - i do not know..

this issue is still unclear and its about time they did something properly about it...

i know they try - but hell... who knows - takin Vit C now increases chances of cancer FFS.. everything is bad.
 
hazte Ñ said:
xXTOKERXx, I desagree whit you, I had took 2,5 g of pills in 25 months, whitout any significance negative effect when I took 1,5 g of pure MDMA on july( 6 days ) and 1g of pure MDMA on september ( 1 day ), then I presented negative effects, And now too.

I see you know prviledeged information, then do you know someone who has full recovery whitout residual effects?, I dont, do you know someone who had have negative effect?, I do:|
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"1.5g pure 6 days" "1g pure 1 day"

these are rediclious amounts.......maybe thats why?
 
Who needs science to know if they feel bad?

Who cares what the research shows really. I know how i feel, if i take 3 pills a week, for a year. Then stop, my head doesn't feel the same as it used to. I know how to detetect symptons in myself. I think its fairly easy to see how you feel after using anything and determine what kind of effects its having on you. I mean, science proved you can't smoke magic mushrooms and get effects. Sticking them in your bong and inhaling them prooves you can ! Screw science, if you feel bad after dropping, then its not good. And i know i dont often find myself saying after a big weekend "WOw ! i feel like i just gotten 300% healthier !" Of course its not good for you and just how 'not good for you' it is is easily determined by judging for yourself how you feel, you either feel good or bad. happy or sad. whatever. Fuck science.
 
Well IMO this senario has always been more likely in my mind; that mdma causes mostly temporary side effects that gradually disappear with cessation of use. This is how 99.9% of all other drugs work, even some of the most harmful, like coke, meth and ciggerrettes, so it would be no surprise if this is how MDMA works too.

Its not proven beyond all doubt of course, its still possible there is permenant damage. But considering antidepressants cause the same kind of damage as mdma, and some people have been on these their whole lives without much ill effect, that nobody has yet measured permenant effects on users of MDMA whove been using for 30ish years, and nearly all other drugs can be recovered from after cessation, it seems rather unlikely at this stage IMO.
 
I have friends who have been rolling for a few years and once a week every week, hes fine no side effects or anything too.
They consider "1.5g pure 6 days" "1g pure 1 day" are rediclious amounts. But you must know different fisiological/psycological sensiblitys exists and It determines short and long efects, god or bad effect.

"ninguna sustancia es un veneno en si misma, es la dosis lo q la convierte en tal" Paracelso.
But which is yours?

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Well, so after all, this isn't such good news. But still, it makes me have some hope! hehehehe
 
i know im being ignorant but my point is:

you know the way placebos work? you could be taking no more than a sugar tablet being told that its a cure for your ailment? and the brain thinks its getting treatment and suddenly your ailment is gone?

for instance i saw this program where people with depression were split up... half were given prozac or some other anti - depressant and the other half were given a placebo unknowingly and the results came back that the people who were given the placebo were being cured of their depression...

well i think it works both ways... you know the way your told "e is bad, rots your brain" well that could be a negative "placebo" effect... which in turn explains why people mental health suffers... thats the way ive always looked at it and ive been taking pills for years and am still the same as the day before i first dropped, no negative mental health problems because ive looked at it that way, and i think it works

thats my theorie any way...
 
^^^^I agree that the "placebo effect" has more to do with it than people may think. Personally, I know that my first time or couple of times with any drug I've tried has been completely as others told me it would be. This includes specific things like time slowdown on shrooms, fiending for another pill or two of x when coming down, etc. I've actually been able to make my comedown on E better by just staying positive. And of course, the negative after effects of any drug will feel worse if you're bored, lonely, depressed, etc. I dunno, I take all of this stuff lightly.....there's just too many variables to deal with. I think it'll be a long time before science can truly understand the human psyche. At least all of these studies are trying to provide building blocks for more knowledge though.
 
interesting articele, but im having a hard time believing that theres no brain damage.. I used to take as many as 6 pills a week for almost a year.. and I started losing my memory (more short term) and other things.. and Today, (and no longer using) I still feel like it has taken its toll on me.
 
brighteyes said:
interesting articele, but im having a hard time believing that theres no brain damage.. I used to take as many as 6 pills a week for almost a year.. and I started losing my memory (more short term) and other things.. and Today, (and no longer using) I still feel like it has taken its toll on me.
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up to 6 pills a week for almost a year? holy fuck, of course with that kind of excessive abuse you'd likely get permanant brain damage! :\

the stuff is toxic, as are all drugs, especially in excess amounts, but with normal recreational use (no more than 2 or 3 pills in a night, no more often than once every month at minimum) and taking proper precautions (eating healthy, getting enough sleep at night, taking vitamins, etc) its possible that permanant damage does not occur.
 
Cimora said:
Well IMO this senario has always been more likely in my mind; that mdma causes mostly temporary side effects that gradually disappear with cessation of use. This is how 99.9% of all other drugs work, even some of the most harmful, like coke, meth and ciggerrettes, so it would be no surprise if this is how MDMA works too.
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Are you kidding?? Every drug you mentioned there has long-term side-effects.

Cocaine use puts a huge strain on your heart - it can double the rate you age. Heavy users tend to DIE of heart attacks early on in life. Continued nicotine use also tends to give people lung cancer; causing them to die.
 
hazte Ñ said:
xXTOKERXx, I desagree whit you, I had took 2,5 g of pills in 25 months, whitout any significance negative effect when I took 1,5 g of pure MDMA on july( 6 days ) and 1g of pure MDMA on september ( 1 day ), then I presented negative effects, And now too.

I see you know prviledeged information, then do you know someone who has full recovery whitout residual effects?, I dont, do you know someone who had have negative effect?, I do:|
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1 gram in one day?????? Thats about 10 high quality pills!! Are you insane???

As for MDMA causing brain damage, why are you all so convinced it has to do somehting like that?? Cause it's drugs? Cause it's enjoyable? Or because you're all fucking indoctrinated??? I have NO and I repeat NO reason at all to assume mdma causes brain dmg. I tend to be rather sceptical about US-funded research, as they have a history of twisting facts. So that leaves tons of research which indicates no such thing as brain damage.

I think it's a shame MDMA was ever prohibited at all. I've had tremendous therapeutic results from it, and I think it could help a lot of people if western society wasn't so stubbornly trying to erase it from society.
 
Cause It were my close MDMA party to close my MDMA year on close party of space in ibiza and cause I took 0,5 g in 1,5 h beacouse the first 0,25 capsule didnt get up me nor one of my friends ( who is ok)beacouse we breakfast but the other boy were completly twisted whith the first 0,25 g.
It was indescriptible pleasure, but I lost control of mine And I took 0,5 g more.
I hope MDMA doesnt make brain damage, But I said you It have long term biochemistri brain negative effects in high or continuous dosage.
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studies such as these dont "prove" that mdma doesnt cause brain damage. i think ud have to be completely niave or in denial if u think that it isnt doing SOMETHING bad. However, what these studies do prove is the amount of bias employed by certain members of society, and that we should take all the "look out! ur heading for brain cancer!" comments with a pinch of salt.
 
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