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Regional Pill / MDMA Discussion - my spectacular metabolism at work

Yeah I pretty much agree it seems very unlikely.

I did read this on the AMT warning thread the other week that made me think they aren't totally infallible.

I keep meaning to make a proper post about it. The other sample was sold methylmethaqualone. The yellow solid (100% water insoluble) form was active around 5mg yet it has been identified as etaqualone. The white powder which contaminated the batch (water soluble) is inactive at this dose but has also been identified as etaqualone.

I know two things for a fact:
1. Etaqualone is not active below 100mg.
2. These two compounds are pharmacologically and chemically distinct and cannot be the same compounds.


Therefore I conclude that under no circumstances can both samples be etaqualone. What I believe has happened is that they do not have a reference for MMQ and have matched it closely enough to the analytics for ETQ without bothering to investigate further, despite my including a detailed explanation.

My doubts of their competence are further supported by their failure to measure all the samples. I have sent an envelope in the past where both samples have never been tested.


3. MMQ has the same molecular mass as ETQ. This might lead an inexperienced technician to confuse the two in mass spec.
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The future of pill-testing? =D

And yeah they're far from infallible, I've heard numerous stories about errors and mixups. But in this case I think it's statistically close to impossible that all the labs, not just ecstasydata, are misidentifying MDE as MDMA in 99% of cases but they were able to identify some MDE samples correctly. I think that if we would know the real reason behind this we would be hugely surprised, that it's not going to be an obvious reason
 
all i know is i would love to get my hands one of these hyped UK pressies that bring the empathetic dancy chatty love!!!
 
BlueBull said:
Ecstasydata can test for MDE (MDEA) though, and they only have one test result for MDE in their database for 2014, the one before that is from 2012. There would be more reports if it was common, plus all the Dutch superpills would be listed as MDE, seeing as they are able to identify it. I don't think it's possible it's caused by MDE. Testkits can't distinguish it from MDMA, but gc/ms can and according to all the different gc/ms reports I've read from a whole bunch of different sources MDE is very rare

See here for a sorted list of ecstasydata gc/ms reports that found MDE

Hopefully research will find something one day but I'm willing to bet it isn't down to chemical differences or pills containing something else than MDMA. This is probably an endless debate, we'd need a full battalion of scientists, test subjects (I'm willing and able!) and a lab to figure this out
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Being a nit picky mother fucker here but isn't Ecstasydata massively US based?

Looking at this years list there's plenty of these 'Dutch mega pills' that aren't even tested on there.
 
But haven't supposed UK presses dried up? All I remember they were apparently UK, were Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles last year, and Nintendo All Stars that started back end of summer last year and still around today, but again varying reports on their quality.

I still know of someone with all stars but a year old press is rather dodgy.
 
gstar said:
I've done a fair amount of XTC/MDMA and never had the urge to hug someone other than my girlfriend(s) at the time and get all the "I really love you.. wait what? Let's get another drink" And that was it.

I I really don't understand the people that walk up to people an start hugging them just because they're on a drug.. It never worked for me that way, and trust me, it was nothing to do with the quality of the drugs I was getting at the time, nor set or setting.
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the very first pill I done I felt that lovey want to hug everyont buzz but never really had it after. not saying I have never been fucked iff it since but just in a different way, still enjoyable obviously. I find every experience on mdma is always slightly different to another even on the same pill or batch. its down to set/setting and body chemistry nothing else.
 
I was in the UK twice recently (I'm from Bradford originally - don't hate lol) Leeds, and both on both occasions I got this crystal which looked and tested exactly like the Methylone crystal "Molly" crap that's going around Florida. It had a bitter lavender flavour. Is there a lot of M1/Methylone being passed off as MDMA in UK clubs? It gave me a 1-2 high which felt like you were coming up, but never really got there.

Return to Florida, pick up some orange riddler (?) pills. Was a bit hesitant at first because it was a badly pressed pill. However - Tested good with Marquis reagent. Took one, it crumbled easily, almost moist texture, tasted like liqorich and I was absolutely floored, it was strong as fuck, the euphoria was good, but not blissful like old doves or mitzubishis, I was tingling all over. It was good for about 4 hours but my legs felt like jelly on these things and moving around felt like what I would imagine Ket to be. There was definitely something off about them, they were too edgy/sketchy towards the end. My vision was very slightly flashy/strobey and closing my eyes I had plaza ball vision. Wasn't particularly pleasant and has kind of put me off partying for a while. Lasted about 10 hours too. No idea if it was just a strong pill, or even MDEA or MDA. Hopefully wasn't PMA or PMMA. I'm not trying to ID here as I'm aware that's against the rules, just staying. Perhaps I'm just hyper sensitive to the good stuff these. Two other friends thought they were good and one has been taking ecstasy since the 80's
I think in future I'm going to try to make sure I'm 100% certain it's MDMA as even with test kits it seems like you can't always guarantee a safe roll.
 
I was just reading what folk were saying there about how sometimes they get tired, stretchy and a bit spaced

this definitely happens to me and it happens when

I have too much


low doses, like half of one of these fucking all stars gives me a well clean feeling high, very euphoric and chirpy but like the other night there when i had taken 2 and a half of them I was doing the same old, nodding off, clenching, leg shaking. very hard to decide to stop when youre on a good pill but the pills that follow after the second...are they worth it??
 
Tec said:
Being a nit picky mother fucker here but isn't Ecstasydata massively US based?

Looking at this years list there's plenty of these 'Dutch mega pills' that aren't even tested on there.
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Yup you're correct, but there are plenty of Dutch labaratories that do gc/ms and publish their results that tested the Dutch superpills as MDMA. MDE would have popped up
 
It's all speculation at the moment and I know we can't mention sources, but it's been alleged that a popular UK 'source' supplied some potentially PMA contaminated MDMA. Could be FUD and unrelated but be careful.
 
Deathrow558 said:
I was just reading what folk were saying there about how sometimes they get tired, stretchy and a bit spaced

this definitely happens to me and it happens when

I have too much


low doses, like half of one of these fucking all stars gives me a well clean feeling high, very euphoric and chirpy but like the other night there when i had taken 2 and a half of them I was doing the same old, nodding off, clenching, leg shaking. very hard to decide to stop when youre on a good pill but the pills that follow after the second...are they worth it??
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I think many on here are quite experienced MDMA users, I doubt many are confusing a high dose effects with what they think is a shit product.
 
A lot of press around ecstasy at the moment.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...overdose-risk-from-superstrength-ecstasy-mdma

http://www.mixmag.net/words/news/purity-of-uk-ecstasy-at-a-ten-year-high

http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-30317747

'Super strength' ecstasy. The inquiry from the death at WHP last September wasn't PMA, but an overdose of over 15x (?!)

Also the recent case of the 15yo girl dying after 500mg dose.

I've always thought that although dangerous, you'd need to take a lot more to end up in real danger. I had a mate that did 400mg or so in one go after panicking when he saw searches at a club, and although twatted he never seemed in danger.

What's this all about then?!
 
There was one case of a young girl in Scotland who died at a house party snd the mirror said she died from taking 'super strength ecstasy' but a month or so later after the article the post mortem confirmed she actually died from a rare heart condition and only had alcohol in her system.

The mother was upset as trolls were calling her a druggie online, writing comments saying they had no sympathy and its her own fault for taking drugs and even made a fake account of her after her death.

people like that make me sick
 
bet half the wankers who called her a druggie go out and get bladdered every weekend. Hypocrites.
 
Those articles are total shit. In 2009 there were basically no MDMA pills around, but we've now got 200mg+ pills. I've regularly done ten pills in a night (years ago, when pills were excellent), or a gramme of MDMA, and I've been totally fine. Same with everyone I know. Anyone dying from 'MDMA' is probably taking something dodgy. In the case of those two brothers, there's no way they just had a standard amount of MDMA and both died.

Going back to the ongoing debate; as previously mentioned, I've taken loads of pills in a night, back when pills were good, and none of them used to make me feel so antisocial and monged out. There seems no way of ending the argument, but I, for one, am certain that MDMA is not what it used to be. When I have good stuff, it feels totally different, every single time I have it. That is not down to my brain.
 
I completely agree Treacle. I don't post in here much but read a lot. I am 25 and only started going out 2007/2008 when lovehearts, clovers, swirlys, rolex pills were around in Manchester and for 2 years I was out regularly. The pills the past few years seem like a different drug, there is no 'come up' or rushing/empathy..... Very weird as they still test OK with marquis test but it's obviously just a chemical version. I know Safrole is hard to get now so pretty sure this is why. I've tried the new heinekens and plus minus and there's no love there at all, I haven't touched anything for a few years and was totally unimpressed with these so called super pills. I'd love to go out clubbing and know that lovely/lifechanging feeling would come over me again haha!!
 
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