Regional Pill / MDMA Discussion - my spectacular metabolism at work

[ColtDan]

The mongy love lacking shite is a poor excuse of ecstasy. Theres a blatent difference. and no i havent lost the magic & the dose & setting is similar. if it mongs me out to the point of putting me to sleep, lacks empathy and feels lacking then it can fuck off. certain batches of crystal have done the job properly reliably without fail. others have been shite

Peace and lurve

 

[Sprodo]

Is it not dosage though? My best nights this year have been off bitcoins & goldbars(first lot), but only taken halves / 3/4 as initial dose

 

[BlueBull]

Is it not dosage though? My best nights this year have been off bitcoins & goldbars(first lot), but only taken halves / 3/4 as initial dose

I tend to agree with this. I've been rolling for 10 years now and took everything from a single 100mg pill to up to 500mg in three doses (yeah stupid, I know). I notice absolutely NO difference with pills now and pills 10 years ago, whether Dutch superpills or the lesser known lower dose pills everyone is raving about on here. If I take the same dose that is. A single 200mg dose, like a lot of those Dutch pills contain, will have me monged out, with a lot less empathy and a lot more euphoria than when I only take 3/4. I'll probably be one of the few that thinks this, but that's the way it has been for me.

All pills up until about 7 years ago were reagent tested by the way, a few lab tested as well, I live in a region where quality and availability is always top notch. In my opinion and personal experience MDMA = MDMA and anything other than that is down to influencing factors, not chemical differences

 

[chojek]

I've tried halving them and in fulls, nothing works. I've even had .5 grams of crystal md in the past and I still didn't feel mongy in the slightest, just super euphoric, chatty, empathetic and loved up. Higher doses for me usually equates to incredible rushes and euphoria, hugging every single person in sight and actually meaning it, a maniac craziness but of a good kind. It's like I've had a rocket put up my ass I'm charging that much, even on the back of monster binges in ibiza. In comparison to the dutch stuff I tried on the back of a 7 month break, I just couldn't believe how mongy and lacking it was.

It's not me, it really is the pills. Before last June 2013, I had only ever had one pill in my entire life so it's not tolerance. I'm perfectly healthy, workout, diet exercise etc, always up for it! This Dutch stuff is different for me, not a doubt in my mind.

 

[chojek]

The mongy love lacking shite is a poor excuse of ecstasy. Theres a blatent difference. and no i havent lost the magic & the dose & setting is similar. if it mongs me out to the point of putting me to sleep, lacks empathy and feels lacking then it can fuck off. certain batches of crystal have done the job properly reliably without fail. others have been shite

Peace and lurve

Couldn't agree more!!!

 

[Treacle]

Absolutely agree. I've had the All-Stars quite a few times, recently, and they've been really good. I did have them a few times and they were shite, and everyone else agreed, but I'm certain there's more than one batch. For £4 each, they're well worth it. If you find someone selling the All-Stars online, and they also sell MDMA, I'm quite sure it's the same stuff that goes into the pills, and it's very good (especially for £20 a gramme).

 

[Tec]

I tend to agree with this. I've been rolling for 10 years now and took everything from a single 100mg pill to up to 500mg in three doses (yeah stupid, I know). I notice absolutely NO difference with pills now and pills 10 years ago, whether Dutch superpills or the lesser known lower dose pills everyone is raving about on here. If I take the same dose that is. A single 200mg dose, like a lot of those Dutch pills contain, will have me monged out, with a lot less empathy and a lot more euphoria than when I only take 3/4. I'll probably be one of the few that thinks this, but that's the way it has been for me.

All pills up until about 7 years ago were reagent tested by the way, a few lab tested as well, I live in a region where quality and availability is always top notch. In my opinion and personal experience MDMA = MDMA and anything other than that is down to influencing factors, not chemical differences

I don't doubt your experience mate but much of the feedback on these MDMA threads points to the fact that the quality of MDMA varies massively.

Environment plays a part, and I've had a good night out on shit Mandy (albeit not many) so I get that.

But the rushes, love and empathy... these are the basic MDMA tickboxes for me, and there's been plenty of pills and crystal which lacks these - sometimes severely. I used to be a regular user but over the past year or so I'll only ever do it every few months, and I've been let down on more than 1 occasion so there's no tolerance issue there.

I wouldn't mind so much if the product didn't test right, but these pills and MDMA all go black with Marquis so the batches must just be poor.

Due to how rare I do it now I feel more pressure to get the right product, if you've waited 3 months to let go and you end up with poor MDMA it acts as a double buzz kill. You can't trust Pillreports, you can't trust dealers. Meh.

I really fucking hope the Pink Chupa Cups do the trick. Last good bit of MD I had was the All Stars almost a year ago now.

 

[Sprodo]

I really fucking hope the Pink Chupa Cups do the trick. Last good bit of MD I had was the All Stars almost a year ago now.

I hope they work out. A lot of good reviews, but that said I never quite got there on them. That said I had 2 things close to the night that May have affected my night (lost my job the day the first time I took them / my mate had his stash taken on the door of a club, so we had to split 2 between us, and then share out about 250mg of Mandy between 3 to last the night)

Will be interested to know how you go

 

[ck7]

Hey, I've heard about blue ones with the subclub logo in Glasgow. Are these the same ones?

 

[Tec]

I hope they work out. A lot of good reviews, but that said I never quite got there on them. That said I had 2 things close to the night that May have affected my night (lost my job the day the first time I took them / my mate had his stash taken on the door of a club, so we had to split 2 between us, and then share out about 250mg of Mandy between 3 to last the night)

Will be interested to know how you go

Were those the red or punk Chups?

Splitting 2 pills between 3 is stretching these a bit I think, they're advertised as 130mg so you'll be getting about 85mg each, add that to your MDMA and it only comes to 170mg spread throughout the entire night! (unless I misunderstood what you wrote!)

I've heard they're weak in dose but quality in content, so I'll be looking to start with 1 and maybe another half pretty quickly.

I'll probably post on here as they're hitting as I always have.

 

[Sprodo]

Were those the red or punk Chups?

Splitting 2 pills between 3 is stretching these a bit I think, they're advertised as 130mg so you'll be getting about 85mg each, add that to your MDMA and it only comes to 170mg spread throughout the entire night! (unless I misunderstood what you wrote!)

I've heard they're weak in dose but quality in content, so I'll be looking to start with 1 and maybe another half pretty quickly.

I'll probably post on here as they're hitting as I always have.

Reds.. I meant 2 of us had a whole one each, then split the mdma as a top up. Who knows the whole thing is just weird / mad. These 200mg pills can't all be dodgy as so many people are taking them now, has to be come kind of reason to it!

 

[Tec]

Lots of people don't know any better, and many that know better don't care as long as they have something to get them high.

 

[BlueBull]

I don't doubt your experience mate but much of the feedback on these MDMA threads points to the fact that the quality of MDMA varies massively.

Environment plays a part, and I've had a good night out on shit Mandy (albeit not many) so I get that.

But the rushes, love and empathy... these are the basic MDMA tickboxes for me, and there's been plenty of pills and crystal which lacks these - sometimes severely. I used to be a regular user but over the past year or so I'll only ever do it every few months, and I've been let down on more than 1 occasion so there's no tolerance issue there.

I wouldn't mind so much if the product didn't test right, but these pills and MDMA all go black with Marquis so the batches must just be poor.

Due to how rare I do it now I feel more pressure to get the right product, if you've waited 3 months to let go and you end up with poor MDMA it acts as a double buzz kill. You can't trust Pillreports, you can't trust dealers. Meh.

I really fucking hope the Pink Chupa Cups do the trick. Last good bit of MD I had was the All Stars almost a year ago now.

Yeah, same here, I don't want to try to invalidate what the majority here is reporting on. I just wanted to provide some contrast to show it isn't like that for everyone. I have no idea what could cause such a thing though I don't think it's down to chemical differences. However I do realize I'm one of the few that experiences it like this so it's likely something is going on, I just can't think of a plausible explanation

 

[Tec]

Yeah, same here, I don't want to try to invalidate what the majority here is reporting on. I just wanted to provide some contrast to show it isn't like that for everyone. I have no idea what could cause such a thing though I don't think it's down to chemical differences. However I do realize I'm one of the few that experiences it like this so it's likely something is going on, I just can't think of a plausible explanation

Yeah there's definitely something up. I remember how consistent my experiences were prior to 2009 or so, I even moved to Hong Kong and all the pills out there were spot on.

I struggle to think of a solution too! I don't like to repeat anecdotal bits and pieces I read but isn't there a few different ways to synth now? I've had crystal which crushes up far too easily too, but tested out... the experience was shit. But the compound MDMA should just be the compound MDMA, serotonin release is what it does, how can that really differ?

It points to something else in the mixture, but the labs never come up with anything. It's very odd!

 

[BlueBull]

^ Yup, there's a few ways to synth, but the end product is always straight up MDMA, there aren't any differences in end product between the different synth methods. Chemical reactions are an exact science, it always ends up in normal MDMA though the % of impurities can differ influenced by how good the cook, the chemicals he uses and the equipment is. I won't go into it further though, synth discussion is not allowed on bluelight :D

Others have proposed chirality as a possible explanation but that's highly unlikely as well. R-isomer as well as S-isomer MDMA are both inferior to racemic (50% s-isomer, 50% r-isomer) MDMA. Plus you first have to have racemic MDMA before you can create non-racemic MDMA, it takes extra steps after regular synthesis which are very complicated, take a lot of time and need very expensive and very specialized equipment to do. It would be absolutely senseless of a cook to create non-racemic MDMA, not to mention that the process is probably out of league for most clandestine cooks. I hope we'll find out one day

 

[growit&smokeit]

The debate about MDMA being different is odd. The only thing that would make sense is that there is stuff being sold as MDMA that isn't actually MDMA. This presents a problem with lab reports always coming back as MDMA. So either...
- The pressers are sending a pill that has MDMA to a Lab and then selling the non MDMA pill to punters.
-The Lab reports are faked.
-The chemical is so close to MDMA it gets interpreted as MDMA by the lab.

I think all the above seems fucking far fetched though, for a start there doesn't seem that many chemicals whose dose and duration is that similar to MDMA!

One thing that I have found odd is that MDMA is supposed to turn Marquis purpley black whereas all the dutch MDMA seems to cause a reaction that is totally black, sometimes with a whiff of smoke. I have tested stuff which has turned purple though, unfortunately I didn't eat any to compare effects. I seem to remember say 10 -15 years ago the colour charts saying MDMA reacted purple and didn't mention black. Maybee I am talking bolllocks I dunno...

 

[ColtDan]

Come to think of it, i've noticed that as well

MDEA? or something. fuck knows

 

[growit&smokeit]

MDEA is the right dosage and is supposed to be quite stoney so definitely a contender! I know there was a lot around in the 90's. I had a quick google and apparently the colour chart for marquis did used to be different.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/archive/index.php/t-452149.html

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/427728-ADVANCED-REAGENT-TESTING-Differentiating-MDEA-from-MDMA

This is from the second thread

I've had to post the link to this thread a bit lately so thought it could use a bump so it's not lost in the older pages of BL Pill Testing Q&A.

Important Update to the guide Just be aware that there seems to be some dodgy pills going around at least in Australia (could be elsewhere too) that have some kind of agent in the pill that reacts black to Marquis almost immediately on contact. I found some White Smiley's I got around 3 weeks ago did this. All other MDxx pills I've tested with a fairly new Marquis reagent have always shown dark purple or at least dark purple around the edges when swirled, this did not just only jet black. I did this test 3 times as it was odd looking to me and one time there was a very slight dark green while reacting. These pills also had no reaction to Robadope and a normal blue reaction to Simons (although a bit weak). After eating many of these pills I can assure you they were very mildly bitter and seemed like a weak dose of MDEA. At first I thought it was MDMA but then realised there was no emathy, no euphoria, no luved up feeling or peak, just a boring, weird feeling where I was tired and anxious and wanted to go home to bed. There was also some mild hallucinations and it basically reminded me of other times on pills I suspect to be MDEA.

 

[gstar]

I've done a fair amount of XTC/MDMA and never had the urge to hug someone other than my girlfriend(s) at the time and get all the "I really love you.. wait what? Let's get another drink" And that was it.

I I really don't understand the people that walk up to people an start hugging them just because they're on a drug.. It never worked for me that way, and trust me, it was nothing to do with the quality of the drugs I was getting at the time, nor set or setting.

 

[BlueBull]

MDEA is the right dosage and is supposed to be quite stoney so definitely a contender! I know there was a lot around in the 90's. I had a quick google and apparently the colour chart for marquis did used to be different.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/archive/index.php/t-452149.html

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/427728-ADVANCED-REAGENT-TESTING-Differentiating-MDEA-from-MDMA

This is from the second thread

Ecstasydata can test for MDE (MDEA) though, and they only have one test result for MDE in their database for 2014, the one before that is from 2012. There would be more reports if it was common, plus all the Dutch superpills would be listed as MDE, seeing as they are able to identify it. I don't think it's possible it's caused by MDE. Testkits can't distinguish it from MDMA, but gc/ms can and according to all the different gc/ms reports I've read from a whole bunch of different sources MDE is very rare

See here for a sorted list of ecstasydata gc/ms reports that found MDE

Hopefully research will find something one day but I'm willing to bet it isn't down to chemical differences or pills containing something else than MDMA. This is probably an endless debate, we'd need a full battalion of scientists, test subjects (I'm willing and able!) and a lab to figure this out