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Regional Pill / MDMA Dicussion v... ah, forget it.

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Vader said:
How do you determine the dose of a pill? Most pills aren't lab tested, and going on what the dealers say doesn't seem satisfactory, would a pill feeling very strong be sufficient?
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How do you determine how drunk you are (if you were drinking your mates hooch)? Its pretty much left down to the user / experience? Low / med / high are based on user reports (not second hand accounts or what his dealer will tell him/her). Dealers that say 'take these they are shit' are very rare. IF a pill is LAB tested (Edata etc) at 200 / 250 / 300 mg then do 'you' think it should carry a different rating than 'high'.
 
mattnotrik said:
True, I think each report has to be moderated that it can only be rated on what the user has experienced, well that applies anyway dosent it? If only there was test centers in the UK etc, also I think more dutch posters could get the test results really, instead most just say "vendor said 300mg, vendor said 140mg, seems right"
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Eh ? So I have to know the persons body size, sex, age, tolerance, drug history, current drug schedule etc before I can allow them to post a 'status' / report?
 
Caution may have eyebrows for dinner. This is great and I remember hearing of a drought of md and supposedly there's 250mg pills starting to come out. :) But has anyone actually seen them?

Edit: I'm pretty sure people have used Pill Reports for dealing. Lots of people know about it.
 
Bearlove said:
Eh ? So I have to know the persons body size, sex, age, tolerance, drug history, current drug schedule etc before I can allow them to post a 'status' / report?
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No, but it would be nice if they stated it wouldnt it? It was not what I ment anyway, I was saying most people just post the amount that the dealer told them they where "200mg pure MDMA" etc, but of you look at most of the USA reports that actually do post all of that information, because it does matter to them. If some big 15 stone, regular weekend user posts the pills where "pretty weak" then some guy gives his little 8stone girlfriend some of these weak pills and they turn out to be "SUPER FIRE PUT, FLOORED" then there is an obvious difference, I think ive gone off topic I cant even remember the original question.

Do we need warnings for strong pills? A "Heavy" option..?
 
How do you determine how drunk you are (if you were drinking your mates hooch)?
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I don't often try to quantify it, and sure that I would be pretty inaccurate if I did. I make drinks that would put my poor mother on her arse. Would such a drink be worthy of the "Caution" label?
IF a pill is LAB tested (Edata etc) at 200 / 250 / 300 mg then do 'you' think it should carry a different rating than 'high'.
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If all pills were lab tested, then I could see that a 300mg pill is sufficiently strong that it could warrant a different, higher rating than just "strong". Mind you, I don't know what the current guidelines are- are they given in terms of dose, or do users simply choose one? There seems to be quite a lot of argument over which label is most appropriate as is, I can see people bitching/flaming/accusing others of shilling if this label was introduced, because not all pills are lab tested. So, we are left either with a system in which any user is totally free to attach a "caution- high dose" label to a pill, or we are left with only lab-tested pills having it, which is unsatisfactory, to me, because then pill A might have the label and pill B not, when they are equipotent, but A has been quantitatively analysed and B has not, and that feels arbitrary and lacking rigour, to me. However, as it is, users are free to label any pill "adulterated", and that system seems to operate just fine (from outside, obviously you are better informed on that matter), so perhaps it will run fine. My gut feeling is just that it's going to be tricky to implement, but that's why these things get discussed.
 
Its also pretty rare these days that anyone really does a Marquis test, just a quick look maybe like 3/20 as everyone is going off reputation, maybe its just because we are at such a stage where theres so many good MDMA pills about, copys are rare and word is taken at face value of good pills. The fact I dont have a tester anymore is because of the new daft kits, also if theres already a report up or Ive seen other reviews I dont bother.
 
mattnotrik said:
Do we need warnings for strong pills? A "Heavy" option..?
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So getting back to what I started - NO we don't! The current (based on users [per location] experience) will suffice - maybe a new option that (when pills have been 'Lab tested' and the amount of MDMA equals more than 200mgs it could warrant a new tag. (What you or I 'personally' thinks this dose to be is really immaterial).
 
mattnotrik said:
No, but it would be nice if they stated it wouldnt it? ?
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Yeah it would - I have spent the last few years asking them to do it!

Time to come up, effects (enter details), duration, come down, problems sleeping, next day etc - lets face it, if everyone knew what MDMA felt like and simply refused to buy anything other than it, then we wouldn't have been in such a shit situation.
 
Vader said:
I don't often try to quantify it, and sure that I would be pretty inaccurate if I did. I make drinks that would put my poor mother on her arse. Would such a drink be worthy of the "Caution" label?

If all pills were lab tested, then I could see that a 300mg pill is sufficiently strong that it could warrant a different, higher rating than just "strong". Mind you, I don't know what the current guidelines are- are they given in terms of dose, or do users simply choose one? There seems to be quite a lot of argument over which label is most appropriate as is, I can see people bitching/flaming/accusing others of shilling if this label was introduced, because not all pills are lab tested. So, we are left either with a system in which any user is totally free to attach a "caution- high dose" label to a pill, or we are left with only lab-tested pills having it, which is unsatisfactory, to me, because then pill A might have the label and pill B not, when they are equipotent, but A has been quantitatively analysed and B has not, and that feels arbitrary and lacking rigour, to me. However, as it is, users are free to label any pill "adulterated", and that system seems to operate just fine (from outside, obviously you are better informed on that matter), so perhaps it will run fine. My gut feeling is just that it's going to be tricky to implement, but that's why these things get discussed.
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Sorry Vader I have a big delay - I am offering a new status, Caution 'LAB' tested at over 200 mgs - Should we simply skip the 'caution' tag ? What do you suggest as the best way to report these new pills?
 
Please tell me your new suggestions (bearing in mind all sections) on how 'best' to rate a pill. We cannot have 5 options of strength per section which is open for discussion every month.
 
jancrow said:
Ha! Are their beans truly generally that weak? ie well sub 100mg?
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Err - check the 'Pokeball' threads - OMFG, Rolling Ballz, erm 95mgs MDMA (with a bit of caffeine). Please remember that .01mg of ketamine showing on EData will have reports showing shadow people in the street, k holing for 2 days etc.

Still think one of the craziest comments - 'your more likely to die by eating cabbage than MDMA (you can choke on Cabbage)'
 
It's no use I've had to get some of those Skulls! They might go in the too scared to take pile along with the 250mg MDA/mdma bombs :)
 
Bearlove said:
Still think one of the craziest comments - 'your more likely to die by eating cabbage than MDMA (you can choke on Cabbage)'
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I know what the user is talking about. More people die numerically from choking on various vegetables than die from taking MDMA, but your chances of dying aren't actually higher when you look at number of people who eat carrots/number of people who choke on carrots vs number of people who take mdma / number of people who die from mdma 8(
 
jancrow said:
Ha! Are their beans truly generally that weak? ie well sub 100mg?
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There Ratings is Low 20-40 Med 40-80 and High 80-100+... pretty much. The pill that the whole of the country is looking for, and is the most famous due to them constantly pressing MDMA and MDA pills have been lab tested at around the 80-100mg range. They even have a 30page thread on this in "dedication" to the presser,.
 
I'd be going straight for any pill with a caution tag. Maybe that's just me...
 
Has anyone heard of yellow pills with a pacman print on them? I can't find them on pill reports. they are supposed to be quite good but they are £3 each which sounds cheap for good pills compared to what i read about on here.
 
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