Regional Heroin Discussion v14: What's the point?

[koneko]

Can't do anything charlie, apart from express my feelings here, which i usually don't do. And probably shouldn't. I cannot help but relate to kat, we may live lives apart but we are both women and "do drugs"...

You - what do you do charlie? express how you feel too - anything else?... My how we are all the same eh

 

[koneko]

Sorry Kate but to question Charlie's support for Kat is a bit unfair. He has as far as i'm aware been a tower of strength for her , provided many a clear thought when she was feeling low . If the worst has happened then I know for sure a letter with a £25 P/O will be the first to land in her lap !

I'm not dissing charlie at all, his support is appreciated by all I'm sure - just questioning his expectations of me.

If it's contributions aka £££ that's needed charlie, then that's no problem. Still my heart will ache for her but I will never truly understand that pain or experience. Doubt she'd wish that on anyone.

 

[charlie clean]

I know your heart's in the right place, Kate, but 'expressing your feelings' is social worker talk. How do I feel? With my fucking fingers, of course.

On average, ten men and women are imprisoned across this country every day of the year for drugs offences. Kat is part of this little virtual 'community' of ours but no less important than any of the other nine sharing what appears to be her fate today. If you're going to feel equally sorry for all of them, you'll weep all night. All you'll achieve is to make your real life friends miserable, too. Better to act like you've a heart of stone and do whatever you can wherever you can.

Which, you'll find, isn't much. The object of the exercise, perhaps, should be to translate a vague empathy with someone we've never met into something that makes a difference. If anyone knows what, pray tell, because I'd surely love to know.

Money? Money swears but the nick is an obscene place.

 

[badandwicked]

It's not just a handout Kate, Charlie made a bet with her. It was just sort of offering her a tangible thing to hold on to and a reminder that what ever happens life goes on & so will she. She was freaking out a bit at the time. Charlies been a big support kate, the joke was fine in context, I can see why if you weren't following the thread you may think he was making light but he wasn't.

 

[koneko]

People from my marriage-family were imprisoned for importing and dealing, it tore the family apart. My sister in law who had really fuck all to do with it, was imprisoned and her 2 kids taken off her and put into care until we screamed enough about it and got the kiddies back. I I took care of them until she got out. Alas, I have experienced this in my past. Those kids to this very day are damaged by that experience...

However - what do we do? Answer me that.

Better to act like you've a heart of stone and do whatever you can wherever you can.

Which, you'll find, isn't much. The object of the exercise, perhaps, should be to translate a vague empathy with someone we've never met into something that makes a difference. If anyone knows what, pray tell, because I'd surely love to know

You tell me how to do that charlie? In them mean time I'm allowed to feel what I feel. Mobilise us, if you can.

 

[monstanoodle]

I know your heart's in the right place, Kate, but 'expressing your feelings' is social worker talk. How do I feel? With my fucking fingers, of course.

On average, ten men and women are imprisoned across this country every day of the year for drugs offences. Kat is part of this little virtual 'community' of ours but no less important than any of the other nine sharing what appears to be her fate today. If you're going to feel equally sorry for all of them, you'll weep all night. All you'll achieve is to make your real life friends miserable, too. Better to act like you've a heart of stone and do whatever you can wherever you can.

Which, you'll find, isn't much. The object of the exercise, perhaps, should be to translate a vague empathy with someone we've never met into something that makes a difference. If anyone knows what, pray tell, because I'd surely love to know.

Money? Money swears but the nick is an obscene place.

Charlie mate, I'm really appreciative of how much support you, and other EADDers, have given to Kat.
It's testiment to BL's utter fucking qualitiness.
But there's nothing wrong with Kate expressing her feelings.
So I really don't see where this, almost, passive-aggressive bitterness, is getting anyone here anywhere.

Let's just leave it.

On the case of what really matters:

If anyone hears any news then please let us all know Thankyou.

 

[charlie clean]

That's what I was just asking, Kate. No use your looking at me, it's just the same as looking at you. Passive-aggressive. monsta? Do think me or Kate are oxymorons?

Like probably everyone else on here, you've had experience of the havoc drug prohibition can wreak. Do the Drug Laws cause more damage than drugs? I don't know the statistics but, in my own little life and circle, it seems that way. Now, if Kat's in gaol, it won't affect my life in any way other than the cost of the bet and the time it'll take to send a quick letter. There are tens of thousands in her position. I've a vague sense 'we're all in it together' but. in practical, everyday terms, I settle for caring for my own. An online rending of garments at the injustice of it all serves only to boost our images of ourselves as caring people, which is no service at all. If there's an original idea out there, I'm all ears. If not, no worries, we'll all carry on doing our best to be honest in our different little ways. Take the little red heart as added.

 

[Marmalade]

Charlie mate, I'm really appreciative of how much support you, and other EADDers, have given to Kat.
It's testiment to BL's utter fucking qualitiness.
But there's nothing wrong with Kate expressing her feelings.
So I really don't see where this, almost, passive-aggressive bitterness, is getting anyone here anywhere.

Let's just leave it.

On the case of what really matters:

If anyone hears any news then please let us all know Thankyou.

eh, and that was just Charlie expressing his. no more or less valid than anyone else expressing theirs

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I'm hoping that Kat's just hopped on whatever train or bus that was available at the time, and hasn't had time to communicate the good news cos she was just so stoked at the result & desperate to get home.

*fingers crossed*

 

[PapaverSom]

Gutted to log on and not hear any news of Kat one way or t'other. Was just thinking, did Kat go to court all by herself? That surely was a bad idea, I mean Im just wondering if she actually made it into court. It'd be so fuckin tempting in that situation, on ur own with no one to talk sense to you, to do a runner. She's fuckin strong and it would take some guts to walk in there but she was also pretty scared. I fuckin hope she's ok, poor girl. With a bit of luck she'll have been given a tiny little sentence like a month and may be out in 2 weeks, and deemed pointless to do any kind of reduction of her meth. Its fucked up they force people to reduce, I mean whats the difference between that and making someone with schizophrenia reduce on there anti psychotics? Or making someone suicidal (which I believe Kat has spoken about being at times) reduce on there anti D's?

I had a bit of an idea today for Kat: I dont know if shes tasken in an ipod or walkman or anything, but maybe we could club together and buy her one (reckon u can get a cheap one for not much more than a tenner?) and have someone like Ructions download some tunes onto it for her? We could even pick a few tracks each? Just a thought but reckon she might like it.

 

[ructions]

Still no news. Kat's Mum is very worried a this stage. I'm still hoping that Kat is rushing home to tell her Mum the good news face to face! But her Mum thinks not, she said Kat would have rang straight away if the news was good.

Friends & family of Kats were saying that if you do end up inside you normally get a phone call at around 8:30pm, but theres been no call yet. Surely there will be some news soon? I'm still hoping for good news, but it is very worrying that it has got so late!

All along we all kept saying to Kat that she'll be grand, that she won't go down. Half the reason for that is coz we all wanted to keep her strong, the other half coz we did genuinely think that she would be home! But all along Kat said she would be going to prison, she didn't doubt it one bit, i hope she hasn't turned out to be right? I'll let yous all know the minute i hear anything.....

 

[monstanoodle]

That's what I was just asking, Kate. No use your looking at me, it's just the same as looking at you. Passive-aggressive. monsta? Do think me or Kate are oxymorons?

Like probably everyone else on here, you've had experience of the havoc drug prohibition can wreak. Do the Drug Laws cause more damage than drugs? I don't know the statistics but, in my own little life and circle, it seems that way. Now, if Kat's in gaol, it won't affect my life in any way other than the cost of the bet and the time it'll take to send a quick letter. There are tens of thousands in her position. I've a vague sense 'we're all in it together' but. in practical, everyday terms, I settle for caring for my own. An online rending of garments at the injustice of it all serves only to boost our images of ourselves as caring people, which is no service at all. If there's an original idea out there, I'm all ears. If not, no worries, we'll all carry on doing our best to be honest in our different little ways. Take the little red heart as added.

All I have to say is Ok.

eh, and that was just Charlie expressing his. no more or less valid than anyone else expressing theirs

I said nothing of Charlie not being "allowed" (fuck's sake I'm not a teacher) to express his feelings.
Urg, balls to this. Take what I said in whatever form you will...
I'll be lurking if I'm needed for some random non-existant reason.

I had a bit of an idea today for Kat: I dont know if shes tasken in an ipod or walkman or anything, but maybe we could club together and buy her one (reckon u can get a cheap one for not much more than a tenner?) and have someone like Ructions download some tunes onto it for her? We could even pick a few tracks each? Just a thought but reckon she might like it.

If there's any way I can donate a bit of paypal money to somewhere to help with this then PM me.
Really lovely idea. I just wonder what would be kosher (items that are allowed) if she has gone down.

I'll let yous all know the minute i hear anything.....

Thankyou Ructions man

Night folks.

 

[blondin]

You kinda said it in your post Ruct's we were all hoping for the best and trying to keep up Kat's spirits but if you know the case (I do) it was always pretty unlikely she was getting a get out of jail free card. I'm sure she will be fine inside and doubt it will
be a long time if all the peeps on here who said they would write do - or only 1/2 of them that will be a really good moral booster for her. Ah well who knows i might be totally wrong n she's on a bus now........ hopefully we will know later /tomorrow

 

[badandwicked]

Argos is the main supplier, she'll be told what she can have, some of its privilege.

If you're family sometimes if you ring the prison & they're nice they'll tell you yes, they're there and the're OK, especially if they're on the detox wing. Kats mum can only try, the not knowing is awful. They usually try and let prisoners get to a phone at some point but admissions can be busy & take ages so it may not be till the morning. Everything looks better in the morning

 

[ructions]

Gutted to log on and not hear any news of Kat one way or t'other. Was just thinking, did Kat go to court all by herself? That surely was a bad idea, I mean Im just wondering if she actually made it into court. It'd be so fuckin tempting in that situation, on ur own with no one to talk sense to you, to do a runner. She's fuckin strong and it would take some guts to walk in there but she was also pretty scared. I fuckin hope she's ok, poor girl.

PapaverSom i'm worrying about the very same thing! All along Kat said that she wanted to go to court on her own, she seems a very strong & independent woman. But the journey to court must have been really scary, she was posting on here last night saying how much she was dreading the journey. Well if Kat is somewhere reading this i want her to know that there is always somewhere for her to stay in Dublin with me!

I'm still hoping for good news, hopefully we'll hear something to-night! She would be so happy to see so many people posting on here who care about her, she is a very popular girl! I can see from some of the posts that people are getting worried & they are getting crossed wires & picking up each other up the wrong way, but at least we are all hoping for the same thing & thats that Kat makes it home to-night!

 

[Glitched]

Hi guys, thought I'd pop by as I've been keeping touch with Kat.

She has been given 2 and a half years Unfortunatly.

That's all I know for now but if I hear more I'll let you all know. Her Mom only had a two minute call with her but will hopefully get more details on Monday.

I don't know how the system works but hopefully she'll get out sooner for being good.

Hope everyone here is good. I'm sure Kat would really aprieciate post so if you can all (or as many as possible) spare a little change for a stamp and some paper that would be great

 

[badandwicked]

Fuck. I'm guessing she'll serve half, like you say maybe a bit less. Poor girl, she knew it. I'll write a line or two if I can PM someone for her number & address when its known, what's 10 minutes out of my day and it makes such a difference.

 

[bogman]

fuck that

 

[ructions]

Fuck, fuck, FUCK!!! I just heard from Kat's Mum, i'm very sorry to say that Kat got a two & a half year sentence Kat rang her Mum 20minutes ago, she was only allowed a 2 minute phone call, so she didn't get a chance to explain all to her Mum.

Fucken bastards lock her up for two & a half years & then only let her talk to her Mother on the phone for 2 minutes!!! Bitter bastards, what difference would it have made to them if she had talked to her Mum for 20mins or more? Poor Kat, she must be really feeling it now.

The only info her Mum had was that her sentence is two & a half years & they didn't believe her story (Kat had already been aware that they didn't believe her before she went to court to-day) & the last bit of info was that she is in Peterborough. Her Mum said she will give me details of Kat's address tomorrow, so i will PM Kats details onto whoever wants to write to her as soon as i get them.

I am honestly gob-smacked! I really thought she would be home, at worst i thought she would only get a couple of months, but two & a half years???? Bastards!!! How long do yous reckon she'll be in for if she behaves herself? In Ireland you can cut the sentence in half for good behavior, is it the same in the UK?

I can't believe it, it hasn't sunk in yet, its hard to imagine Kat not posting on Bluelight & Facebook! This is awful news, its so upsetting to think of her in that awful place........

EDIT.....Sorry i only saw Glinches post after i posted...

 

[koneko]

^
It's the news no one wanted to hear. I think ructions is coordinating contact on kats behalf, sure she'll be along soon d hopefully we will not overwhelm her.

Not nice circumstances to hear from you Glitched, but hope you are well.

 

[ructions]

Yes she has asked me to send her details to anyone who wants to write to her, all she asked is that i make sure to send her details to people by PM. But she did say that she is hoping for plenty of letters. I can't believe that they gave her a two & a half year sentence.......