Regional Heroin Availability v11 - Price discussion removed

[4x4ledbury]

i do not get it so you are in trouble for messages on some blokes phone from 6mts back, they have taken your phone with the idea to retrive messages of up to a year . i suppose your phone must of been registred in your name or a contract sounds like a right bummer.
my missus got done for 3 counts of supply through her phone got caught with a tennnth and got 21 months did 6 and the rest on tag . i don,t think you will get prison for that with the current economy they are looking for community orders, suspended sentences etc etc.
at worst you can claim deminshed responsobilty from insanity the law is a ass

 

[JayRiddley2]

brimz, how did I tell you? I've only just rejoined BlueLight??? You've totally confused me (in order not to offend, my memory is poor and I can't remember online usernames for someone's real name).
If you wouldn't mind could you send me a PM explaining please. I can't have told you the name of the clinic on here... unless I told you AGES ago when I had my old account.

 

[JayRiddley2]

oh,i agree
i have a possession charge about 11yrs ago
and various cautions
but this is big and they have everything
loads of texts from 6-12mths ago
i am super fucked and really scared
musta had 15 coppers in the house
and the arrest was from another area(suffolk)
they traced me from a guy who was busted 6mths ago
whilst searching they found a cannabis 'factory'(i had 2 plants)

Well, with a good lawyer you may be able to get a suspended sentence. I don't know, the canabis charge will be used by the CPS as leverage. They will be totally willing to drop those charges if you work with them. If you try to be difficult, they will keep use them against you to increase sentence time.

I don't know how much class A you were caught with and how good their case is on you for supply. If they have strong proof of supply, i.e. multiple texts from multiple people on multiple days, then you aren't in a great position as there is no way to avoid the fact that you were dealing. If the proof they have is slim, a good lawyer will be able to argue that you were simply supplying friends and it was not a big operation and was purely down to feed your own habit. Obviously, you'd have to admit some liability but the magistrates (I hope your not going to crown court yet) will hopefully go easy on you for this. Cannabis charges completely dropped, suspended sentence, enforced attendance to a drug program and some community service.
It all rests on how good the proof is off supply. If they could actually prove (this would be damn hard) that you were willing to sell to anyone and would take on new customer's without batting an eye then you will be in a terrible position.

Remember, if they do have a good deal of evidence against you, cooperation is a good option as it will reduce your charges (having multiple drugs on the charge sheet will not help, so getting the cannabis removed is a priority) and hopefully mean you can stay clear of prison.

Personally, the fact that you are out and on bail is a good sign (not massively though, many people get bail. I've only been denied bail and remanded to custody once and that was only for a few days).

I really hope you get a good lawyer. I would highly recommend phoning up the citizens support line and asking for details about the best criminal lawyers in your area. Get the names of a number of them and ring them up asking for them to take on your case. Tell them, you are not happy with your current lawyer. They will most likely take you on as they can probably put you down as a private client but then charge legal aid for you.
I did this once for an ABH charge and I was certain that I would be guilty (the evidence was pretty damning) and given prison time (due to a long history) or at the very least suspended prison time. However, I found one of the best lawyers in West Sussex and got not guilty! It costs £3600 (because I am in a job with a salary well above the threshold for legal aid!). Anyway, a couple of months later I had £3350 returned to me. so it costs £250 for a great lawyer and I got off scot free!

Good luck sweetheart, I'll be thinking of you and hoping it goes well. I doubt your going to get seen my the courts for a while though... (which is even worse as you have to worry about it every day and it can make you lose sleep. I've had to go to the docs once or twice when waiting 3 months for a court date and it massively affecting my ability to get from day to day).

Update:
I just read that you may have mental health issues that can be used in the court.
This would further support the above... You are dealing to your friends to support your own habit (not to live a lavish lifestyle) and your habit is down to long standing mental health issues that the NHS has failed to treat.
With that case, you'd certainly be able to enter a guilty plee and just get a suspended sentence, enforced attendance to a drug program and some community service. However as I keep saying, it is all about the evidence they have on you. The chances are it is pretty slim but enough for a conviction. That isn't the end of the world though, providing you cooperate with the CPS.

 

[thebigman]

the same thing happened to me last november and iam still waiting to get a date to appear at court . should not be to long now but , as they only have 12 months to bring you to court .
i think you will be ok i cant see you getting the jail , you dont have much of a criminal record , that will go in your favour , good luck hen.

 

[kkattastic]

I need all the help i can get
thanks for all the messages
they said they know it is just 2 or 3 friends i was sending to and they know i have nothing-no car,fancy house,possessions
thinking maybe Release may be able to advise on the best solicitor

 

[JayRiddley2]

kat im am sure you can,t get a jail term for 2 pants and a bit of gear when i got taken down by the police it was the phone messages that got us in trouble.
so if you have a fairly clean phone u should be okay dont let them talk you into getting yourself in trouble

I hope you've learnt from that. I never send text messages with anything incriminating in them.

The problem is, if you are selling drugs (specifically, heroin)... the people you sell to will not always be of sound mind. For example, you may tell anyone that buys from you to NEVER text you and they will listen. However, one day one of your customers is in withdrawal and has just got enough money. They try ringing you and can't get through so they text you and keep ringing and texting until they score. They wouldn't have text you if they weren't in WD but the pain of WDs is awful and makes you a totally different person. You only have one thought and that is to get out of WD anyway possible so remembering not to text a dealer is not a priority, making them aware you need gear is the only priority.
That's the problem, you may not text them (your customers) but they will text you. Now, if the police have only have text messages from one phone number then that's shit evidence and can be totally ran over. Obviously the fact that you have received and answered phone calls from them makes it a bit hard. Anyway, I good lawyer would argue to the magistrates (or jury) that this person is a friend of yours and you know they have a drug problem and they make the mistake of sending you text messages and not their dealer. You don't reply to them as you believed that they would realise they had the wrong number. If they continued and you accepted a phone call then that is the point that you told them they were texting you and not their dealer (can't be proven as they didn't hear the phone call).

Still, when dealing use a throw away SIM, change as regular as possible (destroying the old SIM, wiping all prints and leaving it in a bin away from your house). Tell your customers not to text you and never send texts unless they are to say "Don't text me' or other harmless things. Never use that phone (or SIM) for personal use. If the phone has GPS, disable it. I'd highly recommend using as old a phone as possible. Not new smart phones. New smart phones have too much extra info that the police can use. They are constantly streaming useful data, they provide more info while on the phone (i.e your GPS location) and they store lots of info, that the police can use, on the actual phone itself.
Get a Nokia 5210 or something a bit newer (so it's slimmer). That way you minimise the information that the phone is even able to produce.
They're was a recent (couple of months ago) scandle that Apple had been storing all your location data. This basically means that every time you sent a text message or make a phone call they would know where you were. If you were on the phone for 20minutes, they would have an exact tracking of where you started from and where you walked/drove/etc to. If they put that 20minutes of location data onto a map, it would display a route of where you were and ended up and how you got there. Imagine you used that phone (even if you changed SIM cards) for 12months of dealing. The police would have some wonderful evidence there. So don't use new phones.
If anyone is interested, there will be a protocol definition for the data transfer used by phones for texts and calls, I can find that if anyone wants and I think you'd be quite shocked at what actually gets passed to the mobile network every millisecond (I've got it in one of my text books from university and smartphones had not taken over yet but the protocol's still passed some incredible info to go with each data packet containing speech)

Sorry to be preachy... but to me these things are obvious but maybe not to everyone (as they haven't learnt the lesson through experience or know anyone that has). I'm just sharing my knowledge to help others and don't want to come across like a cunt!

 

[JayRiddley2]

I need all the help i can get
thanks for all the messages
they said they know it is just 2 or 3 friends i was sending to and they know i have nothing-no car,fancy house,possessions
thinking maybe Release may be able to advise on the best solicitor

The citizens advice bureau told me who to ring, I can;t remember who. But ring the CAB and tell them you need to find the best criminal lawyer in your area and they will defo help you.

I know this sounds like a frightening prospect (and obviously, don't do it without the advice of a good brief) but it sounds like entering a guilty plee would be a clever thing to do. That way your lawyer can ask to have the canabis charges removed or downgraded (from cultivation/supply to possession).

Do you mind me asking the following three questions:
- Are you going to Magistrates or Crown court? (based on what you've said, I'd be extremely shocked if they believed it to be serious enough for Crown court)
- Have you ever been cautioned for supply?
- Are you currently under caution for anything? (not the end of the world, I was under-caution for ABH when I went to caught for GBH but my lawyer had it so the prosecution were denied from telling the magistrates about it, so being under caution doesn't always have to come out in court)
If you do mind, just don't answer!

The fact that they know it is only 2 or 3 friend is a MASSIVE deal. You'd have to meet with three magistrates who were all in absolutely terrible moods and have a really really crappy brief if you got a heavy prison sentence for this!

Honestly, I know how scary it all can be but try not to worry. Make sure you get yourself a good brief and be prepared to enter a guilty plea (the earlier you do this in the whole process, the more leniency they, legally, have to show you. i.e if you enter a 'not guilty' plea and then go to trial and after lunch your brief comes in and says you want to enter a change of plea to 'guilty' you would be treated much worse than if you entered a 'guilty' plea before going to trial.
I don't want to get your hopes up but from what you've said so far... I would be very very shocked if you got prison time. You could even get away without even receiving a suspended prison sentence! It really doesn't look like they have a great case and thanks to that they can't press for the higher level of punishments (unless of course this is preceded by a history of supply... even if they are only cautions, that will be enough!)

 

[kkattastic]

The citizens advice bureau told me who to ring, I can;t remember who. But ring the CAB and tell them you need to find the best criminal lawyer in your area and they will defo help you.

I know this sounds like a frightening prospect (and obviously, don't do it without the advice of a good brief) but it sounds like entering a guilty plee would be a clever thing to do. That way your lawyer can ask to have the canabis charges removed or downgraded (from cultivation/supply to possession).

Do you mind me asking the following three questions:
- Are you going to Magistrates or Crown court? (based on what you've said, I'd be extremely shocked if they believed it to be serious enough for Crown court)
- Have you ever been cautioned for supply?
- Are you currently under caution for anything? (not the end of the world, I was under-caution for ABH when I went to caught for GBH but my lawyer had it so the prosecution were denied from telling the magistrates about it, so being under caution doesn't always have to come out in court)
If you do mind, just don't answer!

The fact that they know it is only 2 or 3 friend is a MASSIVE deal. You'd have to meet with three magistrates who were all in absolutely terrible moods and have a really really crappy brief if you got a heavy prison sentence for this!

Honestly, I know how scary it all can be but try not to worry. Make sure you get yourself a good brief and be prepared to enter a guilty plea (the earlier you do this in the whole process, the more leniency they, legally, have to show you. i.e if you enter a 'not guilty' plea and then go to trial and after lunch your brief comes in and says you want to enter a change of plea to 'guilty' you would be treated much worse than if you entered a 'guilty' plea before going to trial.
I don't want to get your hopes up but from what you've said so far... I would be very very shocked if you got prison time. You could even get away without even receiving a suspended prison sentence! It really doesn't look like they have a great case and thanks to that they can't press for the higher level of punishments (unless of course this is preceded by a history of supply... even if they are only cautions, that will be enough!)

no.last time they tried to do me for supply-about 11yrs ago-i was only ever charged with possession
i have had a few cautions for other things,mostly shoplifting
I know i am gonna have to plead guilty-they got me for stuff i don't even think i did

 

[maxalfie]

Thought today was gonna be crap day, but just finished off what gear I had left then took my last 20mg diazepam and 70ml methadone and now got very nice nod starting. Love these days when I don't have to do anything or go anywhere.

 

[JayRiddley2]

no.last time they tried to do me for supply-about 11yrs ago-i was only ever charged with possession
i have had a few cautions for other things,mostly shoplifting
I know i am gonna have to plead guilty-they got me for stuff i don't even think i did

Well, if you have a decent brief you won't need to plead guilty to all the charges. In exchange for you entering a guilty plea, they should reduce your charges! That is the point in cooperation and having a good brief.
If you have a shit and lazy brief and you tell them your going to plead guilty... they won't even talk to the CPS prior to the 'plea entering' trial date. He/She will just let you turn up to your court date and when asked to enter your plea... they'll just let you enter it.
A good brief will tell them, your willing to enter a guilty plea and talk to them to have the charges reduced. They are willing to do this as it saves money to the police/CPS/courts/etc. If you enter not guilty, the police have to start evidence collection, the CPS have to prepare a case to put forward in court, the court has to dedicate at least a day to you (probably multiple days).

The reason I'm saying all this is because people who haven't been through the courts system, they may not be aware that all this is a possibility and not just a fantasy of TV programs!

 

[strungout2010]

Anyone know how long these new swabs take to give a positive result , ?
Got my CDT up my arse and need to give 2 clear tests.
With the old piss tests I used to be able to flush myself drinking water and be clean in 4/5 days.
Hav'nt had to deal with any of this for a few years so I'm a bit in the dark.
Hope someone can help. Cheers guys !

 

[brimz]

Anyone know how long these new swabs take to give a positive result , ?
Got my CDT up my arse and need to give 2 clear tests.
With the old piss tests I used to be able to flush myself drinking water and be clean in 4/5 days.
Hav'nt had to deal with any of this for a few years so I'm a bit in the dark.
Hope someone can help. Cheers guys !

I've had diffenent experiences once 3 days was sweet the other 5 wasn't .
Depends how much gear , how strong it is loads of factors , tbh i don't think any of the methods other than the Lab tests are accurate.
We had a dodgy batch round here and everyone was testing pos , it was fukjing bedlam .
They did apoligise in the end but caused some folk nuff greif.

 

[JayRiddley2]

Shiiiiit, glad I don't gotta do that shit!

 

[BecomingJulie]

Hope this isn't considered sourcing ..... How are things affecting the Sheffield and Chesterfield areas? I mean, there've been no reports of rioting there, but if there are more police about on the streets everywhere generally, then that might affect availability of stuff ..... My connection's got to pick it up from somewhere, and then I've got to pick it up from him, and the more Old Bill on the streets, the more likely it is to go Tango Uniform. But my stash is getting depleted and a friend is coming back at the weekend, so I'm really going to have to go out there sometime soon .....

 

[thebigman]

Anyone know how long these new swabs take to give a positive result , ?
Got my CDT up my arse and need to give 2 clear tests.
With the old piss tests I used to be able to flush myself drinking water and be clean in 4/5 days.
Hav'nt had to deal with any of this for a few years so I'm a bit in the dark.
Hope someone can help. Cheers guys !

mouth swabs are not very good you should be able to give a clean one after 3 days of not using . it takes me 7 to 8 days to give a clean piss test but iv gave a clean mouth swab after 4 days .
my clinic dont use the swabs anymore cause they know they are not very good. look it up on the web it says mouth swabs can detect H in your system 2 to 3 days after use.

 

[thebigman]

After posting earlier about still waiting for a date in court , what happens , the police chap my door at 4 oclock , hand me an indictment to appear at court in 4 weeks. iv been dreading this. im going to loose everything my boy my house my liberty . dirty undercover coppers . i wish we had entrapment laws

 

[Myshkin]

Bastards.

Keep us informed, eh? And look after yourself.

 

[JayRiddley2]

Hope this isn't considered sourcing ..... How are things affecting the Sheffield and Chesterfield areas? I mean, there've been no reports of rioting there, but if there are more police about on the streets everywhere generally, then that might affect availability of stuff ..... My connection's got to pick it up from somewhere, and then I've got to pick it up from him, and the more Old Bill on the streets, the more likely it is to go Tango Uniform. But my stash is getting depleted and a friend is coming back at the weekend, so I'm really going to have to go out there sometime soon .....

I would presume the police are pre-occupied with rioting and so will be less available to monitor known areas that dealers use... unless these places are where the rioting occurs.

 

[JayRiddley2]

After posting earlier about still waiting for a date in court , what happens , the police chap my door at 4 oclock , hand me an indictment to appear at court in 4 weeks. iv been dreading this. im going to loose everything my boy my house my liberty . dirty undercover coppers . i wish we had entrapment laws

It is against the law for a police office to use entrapment, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment#England_and_Wales and underneath that it seems to be the same for Scotland.

 

[strungout2010]

@Brimz .& the Bigman. Cheers for your replies !

Not had a smoke since yesterday so I should be sweet by Monday then.
Got to go through this shit to get get my script back on take home.
Fucking nightmare sticking to me jollop when there's a lump of gear in the house.
But it's got to be done.

Bigman , sorry about your bit of of grief, hope things work out for the best mate.
It's shit when you have your kids to think of, on your own it don't matter.
All the best mate !