Stimulants Recipe for 4 days on Adderall....too much?

[Rachlynn8]

I was wondering if anyone with experience taking Adderall XR over an extended period of time can answer a question for. I have never taken Adderall but have taken Vyvanse plenty of times so to give you an idea of my tolerance level, I can usually take 40mg of Vyvanse without feeling like im going to internally combust and still get to sleep (at some point) that same day. I recently came across some Adderall XR and I have a bad habit of taking it all till its gone type of mentality. So over the last 4 days I have taken this:

Day 1: 40 Mg Adderall Xr (taken the old fashion way with water) Then I felt like complete CRAP and figured out that was WAY to much for me. Apparently Vyvanse and Adderall are indeed NOT the same as far as dosage lol. So I started drinking beer and I'd say I consumed about 8 or 9. I made sure I took a multi vitamin and ate a small meal before bed. Slept 5 hours.

Day 2: Took 20 Mg Adderall Xr and then another 20 Mg about 6 hours later. Took Magnesium and Fish Oil and ate a small (very small) meal. Wasn't able to get to sleep till 6 AM but then slept another 5 hours.

Day 3: Took 20 Mg Adderall Xr but took 1 teas. baking soda 45 min beforehand, Mutli Vitamin, Magnesium, Fish Oil, 2 Aspirin and in the evening ate a rather large meal followed by 2 vitamin C and 6 hours of sleep.

Day 4: Took 20 Mg Adderall Xr with 1 teas baking soda and another 20 mg about 3 hours later. More Fish oil and Magnesium and Aspirin. And that leaves me where I am now.

4 days..... 120Mg Adderall Xr, Plenty of Vitamins, Water, Some Food, and about 16 hours of sleep

My question is this. My anxiety is naturally rather high even without stims so of course, as much as I love the rush, I spend a ton of time freaking out and trying to reassure myself I'm not going to die (which is how I met BL...man you guys are smart I have 40 Mg left and I read somewhere on here that I can open them up and seperate the beads to cut dosage. I usually get a ton more anxiety when I start to crash mostly because I have a somewhat constant feeling of pressure around my heart (which im assuming has to do with stress) and of course...its your heart so i get all freaked out....and its a vicious cycle. If I was to seperate the beads into smaller doses would this maybe lessen the effects of this dreaded crash I know is coming my way? Kinda like a taper off type of deal?

Also, I'm not sure if my 4 days is really that serious. And if its not and this comedown isn't as bad as I'm expecting it to be then would it be ok just to take the other 40mg tomorrow? Like I said....if its here I usually want to take it and get it over with and then recover and start a nice healthy break afterward. I'd also like to point out that I'd would really rather NOT take any other medication to help with the comedown which is why I thought of tapering off. I think one medication that lowers the seizure threshold is enough lol. And any other tips or tricks for relieving some of the anxiety would be greatly appreciated as well.

This is way longer than anticipated but I feel I am excused from being too chatty given the circumstances Thanks!

 

[atrollappears]

Not sure exactly what you're worried about. 20-40 mg are reasonable doses prescribed normally for ADHD. Amphetamine will never be healthy, but neither will hard liquor; you'll survive both. My rule is usually to keep under 100 mg of amphetamine a day, for practical, neurological, and general health reasons.
Anything that usually relieves anxiety will also do so on amphetamine (alcohol, benzos, deep breathing, etc).

 

[Alex000]

I would stop with Adderall XR - just stop. You have had a binge, granted not that BIG of one, but big enough, and it would VERY MUCH benefit your mind and body to take the comedown, and just ride it out, getting to level. I would not consume any more Adderall - and NO, Adderall XR dosing is not equal to Vyvanse dosing in terms of mg! 40 mg Adderall XR is MUCH more than 40 mg Vyvanse, just in terms of how much amphetamine there is being used by your body as Vyvanse gets metabolized in the liver into dextroamphetamine, and is quite novel in how it works. That is the other thing, or rather two things - Vyvanse will result in the production and therapeutic effect of just dextroamphetamine, while Adderall (IR or XR) contains about 1/4 levoamphetamine, and about 3/4 dextroamphetamine. The levoamphetamine is particularly anxiety-provoking for some, and thus for some Adderall (IR or XR) is just a no go, becasue the levoamphetamine really stimulates the PNS (peripheral nervous system), and not so much the CNS (central nervous system), and it will also continue to have effect after a lot of the dextroamphetamine's work is done, leaving you with a comedown from the fairly smooth and pleasant dextroamphetamine, and another amphetamine keeping you "wired". And, with Adderall XR, about half of the mg of the amphetamines will be released immediately, and about half will be released 4-ish hours later. This can lead to a bit of a rocky high and comedown. Because of the way Adderall works, what it contains, the dose you took, and your natural predisposition to anxiety, I would not step my toe in that puddle again if I were you. Vyvanse is smooth in that it comes on relatively slowly, wears off relatively slowly, has a longer peak, and is metabolized only into dextroamphetamine. I hope this helps some. Take a break from any amphetamines for at least a few weeks, I'd recommend, to let your mind and body get back into a non-amphetamine state AND get healthier, as amphetamines are not the healthiest things. Really, if you want to enjoy Vyvanse in the future, take a break from amphetamines, for AT LEAST a few weeks, with a few months being even better. Amphetamines seriously fuck with your neurochemistry in pretty strong ways, so to speak, and can cause anorexia (just refering to loss of appetite, not the ED), dehydration, sleep deprivation, excess physical and mental stress etc. I love them, but, for example, today, 15 mg XR in the morning left me anxious as anything about 4 - 6 hours later, but it usually does not. I normally take 10 mg XR in the morning, and a 5 mg XR sometime in the day, but there are days when I take a total of 20 XR, never exceeding that, and just that extra 5 mg XR seemed to get me a little tweaky today, when such has not before. There are several points you could draw from that personal experience of mine, but I will tell you, in general, a) amphetamines are serious drugs and ARE rough on the body and mind, b) amphetamines can be dangerous at high doses (and can also seem dangerous, leading to panic), c) different doses of amphetamines can produce very different effects - a small dose might get a person up and awake, a little mood lift, with the ability to focus their energy and concentration better, - a moderate-sized dose might really lift a person up, and he or she can feel it (mood, energy, sensitivity), and would likely be more prone to cause amphetamine-induced anxiety and/or panic, - a very large dose might throw a person up (metaphorically, of course), leaving them with unbridled energy, huge mood lift (initial), scattered attention and "tweakiness", babbling and rambling about god know's what for god know's why, often a comedown including depression and severe lack of energy (fairly short), and would be MUCH more prone to cause anxiety and panic, too, which is scary because it is panic - it does not feel good (only had true panic attacks 2 x in my life - FUCKING MISERABLE), and possibly amphetamine-induced psychosis, not to mention physical stress and other mental stress. Of course, I am generalizing, and there are points in between the above mentioned dosing-to-result summary (not complete), and different preparations of amphetamines, and so on and so on, but, in short - getting the right dose at that sweetspot is pretty important, but that might vary if you just want to use them to study, or have a bit of fun. But, for you one amphetamine preparation to avoid is Adderall (IR or XR), unless at very prudent, lower doses, if tolerate, LATER down the line. I cannot emphasize enough how important breaks are when one uses amphetamines - VERY IMPORTANT. Oh, and I would not drink MUCH when on an amphetamine, in general - seriously, there are risks as the amphetamine can easily mask the sedating effects of the alcohol, and if the amphetamine comes down fast, and there is enough alcohol consumed, alcohol poisoning can ensue. So, just be careful with that, and alcohol is a dirty drug, so just beware of that. I am rambling, I know, but I just wanted to give you a thorough reply.

 

[Tryptamino]

^are you on adderall? thats a tweak post if ive ever seen one haha

in the future, you should not redose on adderall. If you must, only redose 1 time, after that it starts to make you feel very uncomfortable. To prevent tolerance, use Chelated Magnesium; 300mgs 30 minutes before you dose, 100-150mgs just when you start to feel a noticeable buzz, and 300mgs on the comedown. Don't use adderall regularly, it stops being fun (even if you dose high, it will never be as fun) and becomes a simple stimulant that has very little recreational value.

Also, the comedown and the heart racing can be avoided by not using regularly. Stay hydrated and EAT as much as you can without throwing it all up. Take lots of antioxidants on the comedown (weed, green tea, white tea, yerba mate, omega 3, vitamin c, and chelated magnesium are all antioxidants), and I mean LOTS, because antioxidants are very crucial, as amphetamines are neurotoxic, and antioxidants are neuroprotective. I take all of the antioxidants that i listed after a speed comedown. Also, if you have any benzos, take a moderate (although a little bit on the weaker side) dose and then after the benzo hits, take your antioxidants. If you want to use an opioid, that's also gonna take the edge off big time (DO NOT USE AN OPIATE IF YOU ARE TAKING A BENZO), but don't use oxycodone, because that will keep you awake. If you intend to binge again, I recommend that you take at least 1 month off of adderall until you use it again.

 

[Alex000]

^are you on adderall? thats a tweak post if ive ever seen one haha

Yes, I am - 5 mg XR consumed about three hours ago now, 15 mg XR consumed about 13 hours ago. I always wanted to write a lot when I would write in the pre-amphetamine days, and amphetamines sort of made rambling a commonplace activity anymore, but I can still write wonderfully (for myself) in great part thanks to amphetamines, and I can control some of the rambling - some, not all.

 

[pbuilder]

Jesus Christ man ^

Are you aware you didn't use a single paragraph in that wall of text up there lol.

 

[Mongoliandonut]

Dude, that dose is nothing from what I take Im coming down after a 3 day thing and I was atleast on that much per day but I didnt redose after about 6 each day but the shit still kept me awake two full nights so far.
The adderall is so odd I literally find brand is important and also the xr is wacky normaly it goes 6 hours orso for me but it can sometimes go 18 hours with a tiny stim amount just slowly driving me insane. I truly believe the XR is fucked up and Sometimes dangerous because if youve been up for day like I have the little effect is going to wear off but I dont know when and when it does Ill turn near narcolyptic and fall asleep where I stand haha.

Dude the real issue for me now is- the sleep deprevation, im seeing tons of moving people in my peripheral vision and reflections are scary as fuck. Because things are morphing into effed up demonic things that my subconscious or just generally scare me, next im going to hallucinate obama re-elected. I hear every tiny noise and it makes me jump. also songs and such are playing in full 7.2 surround in my head its nuts! Then I keep thinking people are in my house because every little noise morphs into full remembered sounds like foot steps etc.
To prevent it from really terrifying me, I am trying to stay as slap happy as possible- til I pass out if I stay happy, the things dont turn scary or evil as much, they are actually quite fun hallucinations sometimes and if I focus I can morph it its like harry ffing potter AWESOME.

Yes I typed this after 3 days of adderall and two full nights of no sleep.
My brain is spent. I will take a 3 days break before I take my normal dose again.
oh yeah becareful when taking these pill if you take antacid and also be careful of Cimetidine.

 

[PinK~cloud]

^^^ aye, take a break man. 2 days of sleep is TERRIBLE! I mean, its just such a load on the body. It may not be physically damaging, but your body has been exerting so much energy that you haven't felt due to the adderall. Be warned that you'll be exhausted when you decide to stop, so plan on sleeping 10+ hours haha. Eat a multi vitamin and something like ensure, which has a balanced amount of nutrients. LOTS of water is nice too. Just relax and rebuild.

 

[Mongoliandonut]

I slept hah I feel amazing now I slept 9 hours I ate a shit load of food before I slept. Also I took a lot of supplements and to curb the come down from hell. I took passion flower, lyrica( I hung out not taking it for 24 hours at the end of the binge and it made it more effective) benadryl and water. So its funny but normal binges make me very exhausted after I sleep but I feel awake a happy with dopamine and serotonin function good and its bizarre. My theory is that with so many doses of dexamphetamine and my timing on each redose caused this the negative effects of the longer half life pns stimulant was wearing off causes the extremely euphoric chill feelings that I get after large doses were engaged nearly anytime the body could filter it out. Then my lyrica was counter acting the feeling of needing more when you body filters the dex out. So I'm guessing I just had a weird timed rebound and then high then lyrica and it was just a whirlwind in my body and it just happened to make me feel no come down or tiredness at all it made me a chemically created manic in a full manic state. Hope its not permanent because like I said no add or lyrica today and I sleep awesome and I still feel charged.

 

[Tryptamino]

^lucky bastard

 

[Rachlynn8]

^lucky bastard

agreed! So I'm just now getting back in order to thank everyone for their responses! My comedown was not nearly as plesant as yours Mongo lol. I have once again learned the hard way that My natural anxious state and Stims do not mix for longer than a day or two. By day 4 I was fighting off a Panic Attack Which sucks because even though in the back of your head you know nothing is wrong with you, your chest is still tight and your breathing into a paper bag like your life depends on it...... soooo not worth it haha. I ended up having to drink a bottle of wine and getting my xanex script filled the next day. Good News is that at the Dr. office he ran a EKG just to be absolutly sure and said my heart is in perfect condition. YAY for that!

All in all I've learned that I only get thrown into the panic attacks when I've used Stims (first panic attack was on Vyvanse) for more than 3 days. Even with small doses. Even with Eating. Even with sleeping 5-6 hours a night. And by day 2 you are really just chaseing. Everyone is different and for me personally, One day (maybe two) every now and then with healthy breaks in between is going to end up being way more fun!