Recent Study Reveals That Ecstasy Is Lethal

[PapaElijah]

The blame for the death can be placed squarely on the decision to take the drug, and it's subsequent effects on the mind and body.

I don't think that's true. Not all people who take this drug die, so we can't say unconditionally that this drug causes death. There are other factors at work here.

But the car analogy isn't totally invalid. Just like MDMA, if you didn't get in the car, you wouldn't be dead. But you also wouldn't be dead if you didn't have bad luck or any other number of conditions that pushed the situation over the edge, so to speak.

It ends up being a hindsight thing. I died in a car accident... where did I go wrong? Getting the car, maybe. Looking at the CD player while doing 90 on the freeway, maybe. You change a condition, you may not die.
If Fred was looking back and wondering "gee, where did I go wrong?", dropping the E is the first and most obvious place, but I'm sure there are any other number of things he could pick from that night to change his fate.

Does this mean E is safe? Not necessarily. But it's not quite like putting a loaded glock to your head.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

so now we're comparing waking up in the morning to taking ecstasy?

I'm speechless.

You're selectively ignoring some of the posts in this thread.

I'm confused.

 

[Cimora]

17 per cent of ecstasy-related deaths resulted when the victim had taken ecstasy and no other drug

yes but how many people, of the total mdma users, actually died?

When we talk about _those_ numbers, i think ull find mdma is the least of our problems! (MDMA is has one of the lowest death rates per user of all drugs, second only to things like lsd, shrooms and marijuana)