reason for using hard drugs?

[captainballs]

^^I say any drug that has physical addiction potential and/or super brain cell genocide potential (x) or even drugs that can make you flip out and barf all over the place (shrooms) can be considered hard... just a thought... but I guess its really subjective - shrooms, i guess if i was to pull rank, wouldn't be a hard drug to me at all... but I know that they would fuck the wrong person up something serious...

 

[rivered1]

Arguing over what drugs are "hard" and what drugs are "soft"... sounds like my 9th grade health class.

The only drug one could make an argument for being "soft" would be marijuana, otherwise a drug is a fucking drug.

 

[vicodelicious]

^Agreed

 

[captainballs]

^^For real, geez guys!

 

[TheTruth]

Arguing over what drugs are "hard" and what drugs are "soft"... sounds like my 9th grade health class.

The only drug one could make an argument for being "soft" would be marijuana, otherwise a drug is a fucking drug.

its funny how you try to make it seem that arguing over which drugs are hard vs soft is immature and then in the same post, (actually in the next sentence) you do the exact thing you denounce.

its not about arguing which drugs belong to what category, its about knowing what the person (original poster) is talking about so we are all "on the same page." if we all have different definitions of "hard drugs" then how are we supposed to answer the question (with some level of accuracy) that already assumes you know what is meant by the term "hard drugs"? i just think its important in this case in order to have a decent discussion about it. its basically an ambivalent slang term, which should either be clearly defined, or perhaps better yet, not used at all. for the sake of clarity...

 

[rivered1]

its funny how you try to make it seem that arguing over which drugs are hard vs soft is immature and then in the same post, (actually in the next sentence) you do the exact thing you denounce.

its not about arguing which drugs belong to what category, its about knowing what the person (original poster) is talking about so we are all "on the same page." if we all have different definitions of "hard drugs" then how are we supposed to answer the question (with some level of accuracy) that already assumes you know what is meant by the term "hard drugs"? i just think its important in this case in order to have a decent discussion about it. its basically an ambivalent slang term, which should either be clearly defined, or perhaps better yet, not used at all. for the sake of clarity...

I was making no argument for pot being a soft drug, I simply pointed out that its the only drug that an argument could be made for classifying it as a soft drug. There is a VERY big difference between the two. If I had been making an argument then the very next sentence "a drug is a drug" would be saying just the opposite of what I was arguing, thus voiding my point. So according to you nit-picking logic I denounced it, then argued for it, then denounced it again. Maybe you should read posts as they are written before you go and make a comment that I'm sure you thought was very cute and clever.

And everyone does have a different preception of what a hard/soft drug is since the definition is dependent on a person's experience, morals and preferences. There is no way to get everyone on the same page for that reason. This is why I pointed out why it is immature and a waste of time to be arguing over what is a hard drug and what is a soft drug.

However, as I previously stated, pot is the only drug which a semi-valid argument could be made for considering it a soft drug UNIVERSALLY. This is because of medicinal purposes, minimal side effects, minimal long term effects, virtually no risk to the users health, wide spread use/acceptance (more so then any other drug) and its legalization or decriminalization in many places around the world.

And for your reference, this is a brief example of an argument. Compare it to my previous post and you will see the difference.

 

[southernheathen]

i would have to agree with the original post. I think the high you get from pot allows you to think more and reflect on your current situation a lot better than other drugs that I would consider "hard". Sorry but when i shot up coca cola the last thing I am worrying about is my current position in life. Im more concerned about whether I can control my breathing and last through it. All drugs are used to escape reality. I prefer the ones most people shy away from because there is no thinking, only the buzz overtaking your mind/body. my two cents.

 

[pilchil]

for myself, the statement is true somehow. however i think you cannot say this in general terms. there are heavy weed users who also try to cope with their psychological probs this way. there are psychedelics users who have serious issues, and althought many of them will face negative unpleasant trips some of them will continue for whatever reasons.
maybe you can say there is a tendency that people with problems are more likely to take and enjoy more "usable all-day" drugs like upper/downer than psychedelics, bc with these drugs you will feel better but with psychedelics (and i count weed as one) there is the chance that you will have to face your problems.

 

[banksy]

all drugs are hard to most people and soft to the rest

 

[CreativeRandom]

It's a completely relative term.

However, I would assume the "hardness" depends on the addictiveness of the drug. Benzos have horrible withdrawal symptoms but not really considered hard by many (though probably much worse because of that factor). Heroin is considered very addictive, and so is crack. Both considered commonly as "hard". LSD isn't very addictive.

Then again, cigarettes and caffeine can be pretty damn addictive to some. So I guess is depends on how addictive the drug is, and the potential for it to make you fuckin out of your mind (like being coked out or doped up).

I think administration method may be relative to. Theres a difference between an "addict" who bumps heroin and one who IV's daily and saves his cottons.

 

[rivered1]

Bansky and CreativeRandom: Yes, exactly. Also all those things you mentioned CreativeRandom (method of admin, addictive potential) are all factors that could determine if a drug is hard or soft in someones mind. But like you said its all relative to the person making the judgement.

 

[TheTruth]

I was making no argument for pot being a soft drug, I simply pointed out that its the only drug that an argument could be made for classifying it as a soft drug. There is a VERY big difference between the two. If I had been making an argument then the very next sentence "a drug is a drug" would be saying just the opposite of what I was arguing, thus voiding my point. So according to you nit-picking logic I denounced it, then argued for it, then denounced it again. Maybe you should read posts as they are written before you go and make a comment that I'm sure you thought was very cute and clever.

And everyone does have a different preception of what a hard/soft drug is since the definition is dependent on a person's experience, morals and preferences. There is no way to get everyone on the same page for that reason. This is why I pointed out why it is immature and a waste of time to be arguing over what is a hard drug and what is a soft drug.

However, as I previously stated, pot is the only drug which a semi-valid argument could be made for considering it a soft drug UNIVERSALLY. This is because of medicinal purposes, minimal side effects, minimal long term effects, virtually no risk to the users health, wide spread use/acceptance (more so then any other drug) and its legalization or decriminalization in many places around the world.

And for your reference, this is a brief example of an argument. Compare it to my previous post and you will see the difference.

"I was making no argument for pot being a soft drug, I simply pointed out that its the only drug that an argument could be made for classifying it as a soft drug"

you fail to realize that this claim in itself is an argument because your claim is certainly arguable. what you did here is you simply replaced the word "argument" with "pointed out." there is NOT a big difference between the two at all because you make the mistake of presuming that what you "point out" is definitely true, when it is not necessarily true (hence the need for an argument to be made).

I still see no basis for your claim that "pot is the only drug which a semi-valid argument could be made for considering it a soft drug UNIVERSALLY." This is a great example of your subjective opinion which is certainly NOT universal. The rest of your post is continuing your argument giving reasons for your opinion. maybe you should read your own posts and understand what you are saying before claiming i dont, and also it might be a good idea to stop making ridiculous assumptions about me.

is that "cute and clever" enough for you?

 

[K'dOUTinAZ]

how many of you abuse hard drugs to cover up an aspect of your life that you can't face normally?

I use these 'harder drugs', as you may want to call to cover up many aspects and situations of my life. I've suffered great anxiety since a child, I gre up in a broken home, my father was a drug dealer and I never was prepared for what was going to happen tomorrow. I had to live on the streets at the age of sixteen because my mother divorced my father because he was a drug dealer and didn't want 'his seed' (me) around if I were using drugs. Legally at the age my mother couldn't kick me out but I just went out on my own and it was mutual. We haven't talked since. I had a lot of shit that happened to me through those years and grew up very paranoid and anxious. I experienced and saw things than a sixteen year old should never have to experience. Not to mention that while on the streets I had to deal with these severe mood swings that has now been diagnosed as 'bi-polar'. So, these days I hide my anxious feeling by using drugs like benzodiazepines and opioids.

I went through many relationships that left me in the rain. I became jaded to 'becoming in love' at such a young age after so many break ups. I was alone in the world so I became dependent upon many of these relationships. I just wanted some piece of mind and somebody to love me. Well I blamed myself for just about 99% of everything so I just decided to get spun out on drugs to forget everything. Everything revolved around drugs. I dealed drugs for a few years. I got in many life threatning situations but as long as I got high to forget all the shit...

Now I am happily married and am able to face these situations that I once couldn't I go to therapy and talk about it. I also have my wife who listens. Thats great and all but from all the bullshit that I did and the drugs that I abused, I landed myself with an addiction to many drugs. Thats what I gotta face now and it is just as hard.

 

[rivered1]

Saying that there is an argument and saying the argument are different. Sometimes you know when not to make an argument, such as a case like this where everything is so subjective it would be like banging your head against the wall (exactly how I feel now having to re-explain this to you). Which is why I did not make a case for it in my first post. So yes there is a big difference despite however you wish to spin it.

I did NOT say it was definitely true.. notice my word choice... semi-vaild, COULD, considering... these are all flimsy and really don't belong in a good argument, more appropriate when stating an opinion. I specifically worded it like this so people like you would not think I was saying it as a fact, but you did anyway. Again you failed to capture the meaning in my words and interpreted it with a level of bias. I hate having to explain things in verbatim but when someone like you starts splitting hairs for no purpose other then to make a wise-crack, I feel it neccessary.

As to your next paragraph, of course its a "great example of your[my] subjective" opinion because that was an argument!r

Grah I could go on but the wall always wins against the head...

 

[TheTruth]

maybe you just need to learn what " " means... getting all excited over nothing 8(

 

[adradmin]

yes, maybe you should all calm down, there is no need to get all bent out of shape about this. seens how thetruth doesn't think benzos are hard drugs, i replaced that term to make it very clear for him what i was referring to.

 

[swybs]

in my opinion, most people that begin and continue to KEY WORD--ABUSE--KEY WORD hard drugs (those who cross that line, those who become addicted) are trying to cover up one thing or another in their life. The bottom line is that, while these drugs are appealing to nearly everyone, being addicted sometimes turns some people off (sarcasm)...being a drug addict isn't easy, by any means...if it was, more people would mask and subdue their problems via this method of life. However, if the problems you hold inside are painful enough, you will find that addiction is an easy beacon to find. But, with that said, I don't recommend it...being an addict is not an easy life, contrary to the Hollywood portrays...

swybs

 

[vicodelicious]

...being a drug addict isn't easy, by any means...if it was, more people would mask and subdue their problems via this method of life. However, if the problems you hold inside are painful enough, you will find that addiction is an easy beacon to find. But, with that said, I don't recommend it...being an addict is not an easy life, contrary to the Hollywood portrays...

swybs

Well said my man. Well said.

 

[JTMarlin]

I take drugs, as a whole, because they feel good...they work. Plain and simple. Same reason I started smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol or eating chocolate or doing anything: enjoyment. After taking any drug for more than a few days, I feel worse than when completely sober. When I am sober I feel excellent, and am much nicer to others, but bored. Maybe I just need to find a hobby or something. If I had a ton of money I would do no drugs, because buying shit is what I enjoy most, even more than drugs.

I took Adderall (and now Dexedrine) because it makes the day less boring, since college is kind of boring just going to class everyday, and because it helps me pay attention in class/do better on work. I guess that's called "ADHD" in medical terms. I've taken many benzos because I had to take the edge off the Dexedrine when staying up all night or taking high amounts. Opioids feel great, that's why I take them sometimes. I just like that feeling of laying down on the couch watching TV and nodding off. I rarely take them, however. Somethings, like cocaine and meth, I've done just to say I did them. Also, once you've been smoking weed (or doing anything for long periods of time) you get tired of the feeling, and want something new. That's another reason why I have done most drugs on my "resume".

I guess these all would be called "hard drugs", but none of them decrease my mental capacity/productivity like marijuana. It gives me anxiety sometimes, but that's because I always mix it with Dexedrine so that's normal. I quit smoking weed because I got tired of it, after smoking almost daily for 2+ years it gets old. I also couldn't pay attention and procrastinated too much. Everybody has anxiety, they just handle it in different ways. That's why there are so many alcoholics: anxiety, not genetics.

So it's more of boredom, rather than any personal insecurities, that gets me to take drugs. I've never had any real problems in my life whatsoever, except maybe a dog dying, the normal bad test grade, and whatnot. Maybe that's why my brother and I never get addicted to anything and most of the people we know who have done the same stuff as us are. That's also another reason I used to do so much shit, because I thought no reason was as good of an excuse as any. Well, I am addicted to cigarettes, which are in a different category because they don't effect your life like stronger things do (until you get cancer), but I'm quitting this Christmas break...

 

[fastandbulbous]

I think JTMarlin's take on the situation is as good as you'll get without getiing into individual case histories.

I've never really resorted to a drug to deal with anxiety much, as such I've had a tub of diazepam (500 of them) that has lasted 5-6 years, and have about half them left (given quite a few to people for diff reasons). For the same reason, I haven't had more than one drink of alcohol in a night for so long that I can't remember the last time I was drunk. Depression, now that's a different matter - I've had a close encounter of the opiate kind (a couple of months with heroin), and an on/off relationship with amphetamine for most of my adult life.

In comparison, people I know who are anxious personality types, but with no depression, tend to go for alcohol, benzos, and to a certain degree, opiates.

Psychedelics tend to appeal to people who are curious/inquisitive about life etc.

After all, personality type must have something to do with drug choice. If it didn't, either no one would be too bothered about drugs, or we'd all be hopeless addicts.

Horses, for courses I suppose