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Reason for the Global MDMA Crisis (GMC)
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No_Hindrance
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Sorry but this thread is kind of silly. Theres no shortage of safrole oil? Its in plants all around the world! There is a problem with MDP2P though, it was once very easy to obtain from the russian mafia or even chemical companies just by sending them fake details about the use and your business, and then the mdma was produced mostly in east european countries using the MDP2P synthesis. It was pretty cheap then, I wont name prices as its against the rules, but it was very very very cheap. This stuff flooded the pill market, every now and then there would be a shortage, but places like Italy and Holland and the richer countries in europe would cook up big batches.
It comes down to what makes money. And new kids. BZP, mCPP, fliperazine are common and other piperazines flooded the market and its so incredibly cheap to buy wholesale and pretty easy to import or buy as its legal so much places. And it does "fuck you up". I heard from a friend that some people ask for "pips" now, and i'm not kidding. They actually want them. Hopefully other countries will follow Britain and ban piperazines but I think they're still legal in Canada along wth a lot of other research chemicals and stimulants. We're lucky to not have been flooded with cathinone pills as they would be harder to press imho, especially since you need about 250mg of 4-MMC to get an effect.
So I don't think theres a global safrole oil shortage, but there is alot of dirty dark looking oil which can be dangerous. But MDMA is becoming alive again in Canada and the UK from friends reports but the prices are very high. UK are saying about what we used to pay for a gram of the stuff when it was abundant and maybe more. And from other reports of people in the bike scene, they've heard reports of MDMA being around but being very expensive, and if they press MDMA pills again theyre wanting what we used to pay in the year 1999! So they can make a profit. But at the moment pips are going to continually pressed because of the large profit margin, and one in four (guess work ere) people might not get all the bad side effects.
It comes down to what makes money. And new kids. BZP, mCPP, fliperazine are common and other piperazines flooded the market and its so incredibly cheap to buy wholesale and pretty easy to import or buy as its legal so much places. And it does "fuck you up". I heard from a friend that some people ask for "pips" now, and i'm not kidding. They actually want them. Hopefully other countries will follow Britain and ban piperazines but I think they're still legal in Canada along wth a lot of other research chemicals and stimulants. We're lucky to not have been flooded with cathinone pills as they would be harder to press imho, especially since you need about 250mg of 4-MMC to get an effect.
So I don't think theres a global safrole oil shortage, but there is alot of dirty dark looking oil which can be dangerous. But MDMA is becoming alive again in Canada and the UK from friends reports but the prices are very high. UK are saying about what we used to pay for a gram of the stuff when it was abundant and maybe more. And from other reports of people in the bike scene, they've heard reports of MDMA being around but being very expensive, and if they press MDMA pills again theyre wanting what we used to pay in the year 1999! So they can make a profit. But at the moment pips are going to continually pressed because of the large profit margin, and one in four (guess work ere) people might not get all the bad side effects.
filenet
Greenlighter
not true at all - there are plenty of 4-MMC pills getting around with active doses.
what do you think the average weight of a pill is?
baysieguy1
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No-Hindrance is right about thhe dosage needed for 4-MMC, but the new kids are used to needing more than one pill to get the buzz they want anyway, so you are also right filenet, there is already 4-MMC pills pressed.
I have a sneaky suspision that the brown kappa ladies that were floating around in melb a while back were indeed 4mmc, with virtually no binders
I have a sneaky suspision that the brown kappa ladies that were floating around in melb a while back were indeed 4mmc, with virtually no binders
andyturbo
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mdmaNo_Hindrance
Ex-Bluelighter
I know for sure there is 4mmc pills but its not that widespread. You would need to use the crystal batch though as the fluffy powder one of recent times, a point looks like about 5 fat lines. And when compressed it will just go soggy, and the 4mmc going around now is mostly the fluffy powder garbage that is approx 80% pure.
marley
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Ditto.
I finally got around to watching the Ecstasy Rising documentary.
I feel so sad now
I wish I was born 10 years earlier.
andyturbo
Bluelight Crew
Ecstasy rising is a great documentary, showed all my mates that when i first started taking pills when they all gave me shit for it. Changed a lot of there minds too see realatively unbiased facts rather than government propogander.
lil angel15
Bluelight Crew
Great documentary that one. There is also another on LSD which is worth a watch...
Anyhows. After NY this year I am at the point of retiring from MDMA consumption. Pretty much have been a for a while now but I think this is it this time
I started munching late 2000, mainly with speed then sampling MDMA for the first time late that year or early 2001. From memory it was a white pokemon (ahh the joys). I was a relatively heavy user in 2001 (at least once every weekend maybe more. 1-3 bickies each session amongst other things). Each year after my usage has halved/or quartered, or perhaps more to the point where the four years its been maybe once or twice a year if that. And I havent replaced it with anything else (ie. Work, wife, house, kid, responsibilities are priorities now).
I have had some great biscuits in my time. Back in 2001-2004ish, every weekend I usually ended up with arguably best bickies going around at the time. I have had some of the ones pictured earlier on, also, pokemons, blue melody, white butterflies orange alphas, green ?, green BB's, Red HQ's, orange JA's, pink ladies, green butterflys, blue diamonds, orange stars, blue fish (dont under estimate these little suckers), white/pink hearts, beige safesex/durex, blue barrels, beige 007's, red 3's, pink/purple rolex's, brown melody, yellow tulips, brown A's is about as many as I can recall. One of these would easily get me where I needed to be and a second/third would finish the night (nothing works for me after the third apart from empty brain feeling). This was the case even as late on as 2005.
In the last 4yrs the quality has steadily declined from what I can see based on reading forums, pillreports and contacts with people still in the scene. The last time I can honestly remember a great peak off one pill was a yellow tulip in 2005. Other than that I had a great cap in 2008 which was officially the last real peak I had. Other stuff I have taken chances with has just been utter crap to the point where a couple of times I have just turfed them out.
This year I took the chance again. I had a brown CK's. These had some reasonable reports in some cases. However, it seemed it was the younger generation poppers reporting this and the experienced users seemed to say otherwise. Chargey after about 3hrs, long lasting, kept me awake, then had me poo-ing through the eye of a needle about 8hrs after, along with 4 other mates (and no we ate different meals from different locations - all very experienced users and never experiencing this before). Where was the love? Obviously MDEA/MDA/Speed? Who knows what else, maybe some turbolax or metamusil.
Once again, disappointing. Sure its who you know, but once there was no drama at all from anyone 90% of the time, most sources are still the same and generally pillreports was covered with reviews of great stuff. Its not like that now. Sure tolerance increases, but the tulip proved to me in 2005 that I was still loving it, since then I can count on 2 hands the amount of occassions I have taken stuff from a tolerance perspective, and of those times only once has been good.
I wont be looking for a while, I can only be disappointed so many times. Sorry Molly, its been the greatest, best times of my life, but the love seems to have gone. RIP for now. I hope you visit me again one day.
Anyhows. After NY this year I am at the point of retiring from MDMA consumption. Pretty much have been a for a while now but I think this is it this time
I started munching late 2000, mainly with speed then sampling MDMA for the first time late that year or early 2001. From memory it was a white pokemon (ahh the joys). I was a relatively heavy user in 2001 (at least once every weekend maybe more. 1-3 bickies each session amongst other things). Each year after my usage has halved/or quartered, or perhaps more to the point where the four years its been maybe once or twice a year if that. And I havent replaced it with anything else (ie. Work, wife, house, kid, responsibilities are priorities now).
I have had some great biscuits in my time. Back in 2001-2004ish, every weekend I usually ended up with arguably best bickies going around at the time. I have had some of the ones pictured earlier on, also, pokemons, blue melody, white butterflies orange alphas, green ?, green BB's, Red HQ's, orange JA's, pink ladies, green butterflys, blue diamonds, orange stars, blue fish (dont under estimate these little suckers), white/pink hearts, beige safesex/durex, blue barrels, beige 007's, red 3's, pink/purple rolex's, brown melody, yellow tulips, brown A's is about as many as I can recall. One of these would easily get me where I needed to be and a second/third would finish the night (nothing works for me after the third apart from empty brain feeling). This was the case even as late on as 2005.
In the last 4yrs the quality has steadily declined from what I can see based on reading forums, pillreports and contacts with people still in the scene. The last time I can honestly remember a great peak off one pill was a yellow tulip in 2005. Other than that I had a great cap in 2008 which was officially the last real peak I had. Other stuff I have taken chances with has just been utter crap to the point where a couple of times I have just turfed them out.
This year I took the chance again. I had a brown CK's. These had some reasonable reports in some cases. However, it seemed it was the younger generation poppers reporting this and the experienced users seemed to say otherwise. Chargey after about 3hrs, long lasting, kept me awake, then had me poo-ing through the eye of a needle about 8hrs after, along with 4 other mates (and no we ate different meals from different locations - all very experienced users and never experiencing this before). Where was the love? Obviously MDEA/MDA/Speed? Who knows what else, maybe some turbolax or metamusil.
Once again, disappointing. Sure its who you know, but once there was no drama at all from anyone 90% of the time, most sources are still the same and generally pillreports was covered with reviews of great stuff. Its not like that now. Sure tolerance increases, but the tulip proved to me in 2005 that I was still loving it, since then I can count on 2 hands the amount of occassions I have taken stuff from a tolerance perspective, and of those times only once has been good.
I wont be looking for a while, I can only be disappointed so many times. Sorry Molly, its been the greatest, best times of my life, but the love seems to have gone. RIP for now. I hope you visit me again one day.
Juvenile
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I must say I am starting to think this way lately. Pills are more abundant than ever, yet pills that contain MDMA seem to be at an all time low. So many adulterated pills on pill reports. The only things that are rated as MDxx medium or greater on pill reports usually have a bunch of negative comments on the report anyway.
I wonder how much worse the behaviour the crowd will be at the fairly large edm festival I am heading to tommorow. I suspect lots worse as there won't be much love in the air.
Sustanon
Bluelighter
I dont really think that things will improve alot very soon at all unless major distributors/kingpins take a hold on Australias's drug market. Since the Italian maffia went down in Melbourne there hasnt been many good pills around. The bikies dont really care about MDxx pills at all. Speed is easier to manufacture, cost less to make, more addictive, no need to transport and way more profitable. Just sad to see this happen but you cant do much.
Some people thesedays especially the younger generation (not being sarcastic or rude in any way) but have no clue what a good pill is like that actually contains MDMA. They take whatever they can just to get high. U never realize how much u miss it until its not longer there, if u never had it u will never miss it. Anyway thats just my 2 cents.
Some people thesedays especially the younger generation (not being sarcastic or rude in any way) but have no clue what a good pill is like that actually contains MDMA. They take whatever they can just to get high. U never realize how much u miss it until its not longer there, if u never had it u will never miss it. Anyway thats just my 2 cents.
I have a old friend who has a collection of the maddest bickies from 1999-2005. A couple of each and many of the ones I mentioned above.
I remember a couple of years back offerring him silly amounts of money for just one (as have many others) and he refused. He usuallly takes a couple every new years eve/day so I dont doubt he is always the happiest punter at these parties. Might have to try him again, but what hope would I have now?
I remember a couple of years back offerring him silly amounts of money for just one (as have many others) and he refused. He usuallly takes a couple every new years eve/day so I dont doubt he is always the happiest punter at these parties. Might have to try him again, but what hope would I have now?
MDMA isn't dead in Europe
I disagree wholeheartedly about mdma pills dying in Europe - I went to a dance music festival in September 2008 and had the largest dose of mdma I have ever had, and am ever likely to have probably, from one pill. I would say I'm a fairly experienced user, but the come-up was so intense I started to get scared! Truly a great night; many fond memories. Check out Belgium and Netherlands in pillreports - users are taking pills to be tested and there are plenty of results coming back with 120-180mg unadulterated mdma.
So why can Europeans buy these tickets to heaven for "small amounts" each (according to comments on pillreports that the mods should have wiped) and we routinely pay so much more for a pill that contains perhaps 1/3 as much ecstasy and fuck knows what else? Are they more savvy consumers? Is it the fact that drug laws are somewhat more relaxed? Or are good pills finally set to return in Australia? (oh god, oh god, I hope it's the last one
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The date mdma pills died in EU was 2004-2005. Ive come across alot of good beans but in my eyes they were really only average compared to the good old days. And yea 140-180mg beans were awesomeOne was enough for a nite. I never had more than 2. Rolled off half. Who rolls off half thesedays?
I disagree wholeheartedly about mdma pills dying in Europe - I went to a dance music festival in September 2008 and had the largest dose of mdma I have ever had, and am ever likely to have probably, from one pill. I would say I'm a fairly experienced user, but the come-up was so intense I started to get scared! Truly a great night; many fond memories. Check out Belgium and Netherlands in pillreports - users are taking pills to be tested and there are plenty of results coming back with 120-180mg unadulterated mdma.
So why can Europeans buy these tickets to heaven for "small amounts" each (according to comments on pillreports that the mods should have wiped) and we routinely pay so much more for a pill that contains perhaps 1/3 as much ecstasy and fuck knows what else? Are they more savvy consumers? Is it the fact that drug laws are somewhat more relaxed? Or are good pills finally set to return in Australia? (oh god, oh god, I hope it's the last one
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Sustanon
Bluelighter
I disagree wholeheartedly about mdma pills dying in Europe - I went to a dance music festival in September 2008 and had the largest dose of mdma I have ever had, and am ever likely to have probably, from one pill. I would say I'm a fairly experienced user, but the come-up was so intense I started to get scared! Truly a great night; many fond memories. Check out Belgium and Netherlands in pillreports - users are taking pills to be tested and there are plenty of results coming back with 120-180mg unadulterated mdma.
So why can Europeans buy these tickets to heaven for 5 Euro each (according to comments on pillreports that the mods should have wiped) and we routinely pay so much more for a pill that contains perhaps 1/3 as much ecstasy and fuck knows what else? Are they more savvy consumers? Is it the fact that drug laws are somewhat more relaxed? Or are good pills finally set to return in Australia? (oh god, oh god, I hope it's the last one
Its because MDMA is manufactured there in Belgium, Netherlands and Germany. They are/were supplying the whole of EU and surrounding countries, of course ur going to buy good ones there. They arnt pumping out pills like they used to, i lived there for almost 10 years.
PsiloSubNaut
Bluelight Crew
If you did your research I believe you would notice a rise in quality over in Europe and also parts of North America in the last 18 months.
The appearance/flood of adulterated and low dose MDMA pills that sustanon speaks of was years before your holiday and lasted quite some time.
It is also commonly made there, not like here in Aus where most MDMA is imported and people seem to eat anything round with a stamp
The appearance/flood of adulterated and low dose MDMA pills that sustanon speaks of was years before your holiday and lasted quite some time.
It is also commonly made there, not like here in Aus where most MDMA is imported and people seem to eat anything round with a stamp
Sustanon
Bluelighter
Not to mention how many dealer reports there are on PR and also how many people rate 70-80mg MDMA pills high. I call a 120-180mg a decent pill where u roll off half. I never ever needed to eat more than 1 or 2 beans in a nite when the party went from 11pm-6am.
Seith
Bluelighter
Care to point these out..? Most of the reports are either MDxx Low, Unknown or Adulterated so I fail to see how these can be classed as dealer reports.
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