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Really Tripping with pets

DwayneHoover said:
You dont consider it animal abuse?

Jesus you retards are totally delusional mean assholes.

I agree with a couple posts above this thread needs to be not only closed but DELETED as in ERASED.

It will just give juveniles and the mentally ill more sick abusive ideas to try.

Please kill this and delete it to save many animals some horrific chemical abuse at the hands of "owners" they once felt were their beloved friends.
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Why haven't you been banned yet? Half of the posts I see you make are outrageously inflammatory and needlessly belligerent to the point where you appear to have anger issues.

If you haven't noticed, almost everyone arguing against you is trying to represent their opinions civilly, and that is supposed to be what an online community does. I don't want you to get off your high horse, but maybe take a xanax and chill the fuck out and stop calling literally everyone that disagrees with you a wide range of expletives and cursing them to oblivion. And this is from having read all of your posts in the last five days, jesus.
 
And don't try to use your anger as an excuse, because it's exactly the problem. Are you 12? Have you never learned to funnel your emotions into articulation instead of "FUCK YOU ASSHOLES GO TO HELL JUMP OFF OF A CLIFF" I mean seriously it's laughably embarrassing to read 75% of your posts because all you do is act like a butthurt baby who can't retain a semblance of control and just tells everyone to eat shit. It's painful to read.
 
I am only this angry with dangerously cruel people who want to torture innocent nonconsenting animals by forcing them to eat powerful drugs for their own amusement. Your comments about all 1173 of my other posts over 4-5years is a total lie. Go fly a kite.
 
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No, I also read your posts in the lunar eclipse thread and several other miscellaneous threads and the general trend seems to be that when someone disagrees with you, you resort to expletive name-calling and otherwise inflammatory behavior to get your point across.

If you're angry at people who are "cruel to animals" (debatable, but whatever), then you should civilly tell them why they're cruel and make an actual point instead of telling them to jump off of a cliff. It's attitudes like yours, stemming from people who can't effectively manage their anger, that lead to the kind of uncivilized, equally cruel eye-for-an-eye mentalities that have plagued history and in many ways, still do. Grow up.
 
One of the good ones

This was one of the better stories around this forum. I approve... just maybe half the dose next time. My guinea pigs were so dumb, maybe a hit would've made them smart. A hit to the head. I feel pretty bad for them, they were so introverted, didn't play well with the third... seemed really down by the end, not really eating or playing, and it wasn't just age you could see they were depressed.
And their poor ears, yelling arguing and XXXtreme door-slamming all the time.
 
Yes Ma'am, Miss Manners (IamMe90), I promise to obey your commands 8) (Who appointed you Net Nanny Superior, anyway?)

So, from your "debatable" comment, apparently you are one of the ones who think its possibly alright and acceptable fun to force feed psychoactive drugs to unsuspecting animals? Well, 'nuf said, then, no wonder you don't like my sass & sarcasm.

What about giving LSD to unsuspecting humans for fun, you in favor of that too I suppose?
 
No, I'm not in favor of either. That doesn't mean I have extreme vitriol for those who are; in all honesty, one lapse of judgment as a teenager, which was most likely well intentioned, does not make someone an animal abuser or a sociopath. By your logic every time you've stepped on a god damn ant you're an abusive shit head. Not to mention, there are glaring inconsistencies in the things you say.

First, you anthropomorphize animals in an attempt to effect pity for them;

Please kill this and delete it to save many animals some horrific chemical abuse at the hands of "owners" they once felt were their beloved friend
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Yet you assert the opposite in your reasons not to give psychoactives to animals in the first place, that being that they can't consent nor understand the experience to which you subject them, and more importantly that they don't have the memory to retain the experience. I'm just saying, if animals really can't understand anything about a psychedelic trip or retain it, then they probably can't love their owners, and they probably won't remember the fear induced by a psychedelic experience. Or even fear it, for that matter, if they can't understand anything about it. Granted, you're wrong about all of this, but it's amusing that your arguments are somewhat self defeating when you're so vehement in the first place.

Not to mention a good portion of all the medicine you've used in your life time, all of the medical technology you rely on, is probably the result of a lot of unconsented animal testing, with -gasp- drugs. I also doubt you're a vegetarian, but whatever, you probably don't consider the lives of nameless animals subjected to medical testing and appalling meat industry conditions if they aren't named "spot" and don't live in your house.

I don't think someone should subject their animal to an unconsented drug experience, but I also don't think that anyone that has is inherently evil and should jump off of a cliff. For whatever reason, you have a giant stick up your ass about something concerning which you can't even formulate cohesive arguments. Maybe if you stopped being a giant baby about it to everyone (yeah, I wouldn't consider what you've been spewing in this thread "sarcasm and sass," dude, you're just an angry guy), you could articulate yourself better. Probably not, though.
 
about 5yrs ago I tried to grow some cubes for the first time but had to give up right before fruiting some cakes..they were fully colonized...not having the time,money or space to fruit I decided to toss them outside in the woods....a few minutes later I look outside to see my dog poking around and eating something out where I just dumped a bunch of cakes! He did act a bit silly that night rubbing on the floor and play in a funny way.. I think he had a good time! I watched him that day and gave him lots of water.. I was very worried tho and would never have given them to him..I think he was ok because he was a big 110 pound tubster of a dog hahah! Also I do notice that when I trip around him he always seems to know somethings going on and he sits really close to me and gives me this deep look! like hes trying to protect me and help me through my trip! hes the best really!
 
IamMe90 said:
No, I'm not in favor of either. That doesn't mean I have extreme vitriol for those who are; in all honesty, one lapse of judgment as a teenager, which was most likely well intentioned, does not make someone an animal abuser or a sociopath. By your logic every time you've stepped on a god damn ant you're an abusive shit head. Not to mention, there are glaring inconsistencies in the things you say.

First, you anthropomorphize animals in an attempt to effect pity for them;



Yet you assert the opposite in your reasons not to give psychoactives to animals in the first place, that being that they can't consent nor understand the experience to which you subject them, and more importantly that they don't have the memory to retain the experience. I'm just saying, if animals really can't understand anything about a psychedelic trip or retain it, then they probably can't love their owners, and they probably won't remember the fear induced by a psychedelic experience. Or even fear it, for that matter, if they can't understand anything about it. Granted, you're wrong about all of this, but it's amusing that your arguments are somewhat self defeating when you're so vehement in the first place.

Not to mention a good portion of all the medicine you've used in your life time, all of the medical technology you rely on, is probably the result of a lot of unconsented animal testing, with -gasp- drugs. I also doubt you're a vegetarian, but whatever, you probably don't consider the lives of nameless animals subjected to medical testing and appalling meat industry conditions if they aren't named "spot" and don't live in your house.

I don't think someone should subject their animal to an unconsented drug experience, but I also don't think that anyone that has is inherently evil and should jump off of a cliff. For whatever reason, you have a giant stick up your ass about something concerning which you can't even formulate cohesive arguments. Maybe if you stopped being a giant baby about it to everyone (yeah, I wouldn't consider what you've been spewing in this thread "sarcasm and sass," dude, you're just an angry guy), you could articulate yourself better. Probably not, though.
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I learned a new word today, and I haven't ever read such a well written retort. I am going to be looking for more of your posts, welcome to bluelight! =D
 
You say "gigantic stick up your ass" like its a bad thing! =D I'm typically not enraged at all when that happens... quite the opposite... weird, well I guess we'll never understand each other.

Anyway, yes that^ is a well written and exquisitely passionate retort and I am proud to have inspired it. Illogical though. So if I eat meat I better keep my mouth shut about people giving LSD to pets. Hmmm. Sorry, non-sequitor... B does not follow from A. Aristotle would be appalled. Dont give a rats ass about your etiquette lessons either, but I will take that stick you promised now, if it's really as big as you say <3
 
You haven't really proven any of IamMe's points wrong. The point is that there really isn't a reason to know that animals would be harmed, and that even though some people view it as cruel, it isn't clear cut as 'bad.'
 
I dont think its provable either way. Obviously. A matter of personal belief, but one that triggers strong feelings.

As Delta 9 points out, the consensus here in earlier discussions has been its considered cruel, for whatever that's worth. I agree with that assessment, and apparently you and others dont. For me not open to logical argument, just a core axiomatic belief.
 
Actually, B does follow from A in a pretty easy syllogism.

1. The meat industry subjects animals to cruel standards of living.
2. You eat meat.
3. By eating meat, you are supporting the demand of the meat industry.
4. You support the cruel standards of living animals are subjected to by the meat industry.

I mean, come on now, that one's pretty simple. The point is that you're a hypocrite by lecturing people about being cruel to animals while relying on a plethora of products that are the result of animal cruelty.

Anyway, it's fine if you don't give a rat's ass about my "etiquette lessons," but have fun being continually shunned by people when you try to get your point across. No one wants to listen to a bellicose asshole.

Anyway, I actually DO think it's cruel, the meat of the point was that people aren't necessarily inherently cruel for committing cruel acts in lapses of judgment that were fueled by good intentions. These are mostly good people, and it'd be outrageous for you to claim that you've never done anything cruel in your life before.

Also, nice stick up the ass joke, but I'm gay too so I completely understand ;)
 
^ Well isnt that peachy! I'm not constantly bellicose, only when I feel like it. Normally rather pleasant actually. I do suppose you're technically right about the hypocricy... What can I say... as great "grandpa" Walt Whitman wrote: "I am large, I contain multitudes"
 
Well I guess I can respect that. I'm usually pretty abrasive on the internet, I just decided to tone it down here because the subject matter is pretty interesting and being banned for whatever reason would be pretty crappy, haha.
 
IamMe90 said:
Also, nice stick up the ass joke, but I'm gay too so I completely understand ;)
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Shit, post more! You're making me gay. :) I would have quoted the entire thing again, but thats rude.

The core belief matter doesn't really leave a lot of room for discussion does it? I always assumed that people don't really be convinced by logic, reason or emotion on the internet, maybe I'm a little too close minded to the belief that they can't be, but its always like a political mind, I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG.

I thought in a psychedelic forum it would be different, naw. :p
 
^ On most things, yea, I would be subject to being convinced by logic. But I am just being honest Depressica-Boy... I feel my dog or cat might freakout on LSD (as I myself have) and I would have NO way to reassure them that itll all be OK, its only a drug, etc. So no matter how much anyone argues I am never going to feel it is OK to give pets, and will always feel it could end up being a horrible torturous experience you have forced them to have with no way to communicate with them not to worry its only a drug. Its based on my personal inner experiences with difficult psychedelic experiences, and the fact that we have no spoken language pets could understand to use to explain what is happening to them, or to ask their permission to give it to them.

How could ANY logic talk me out of those experiences and that logic and those feelings? We are talking about feelings toward a beloved companion. I dont think it could.

And the fact that some other animals may have suffered as a result of products I use or meat that I eat, do you really think I am going to ponder that and conclude, Oh OK I guess its all right to possibly torture my pets by force feeding them lsd... lets go give them some now.

No way. Thats like saying well since there is SOME suffering in the world that humans cause to animals, it is OK to possibly cause MORE just to satisfy my own curiosity about what might happen. Makes no sense to me. ALSO - pets are different than animals raised for food... we have a sort of contract with them... we have raised them their entire lives to EXPECT affection and care and consideration from us... to suddenly subject them to possibly an involuntarily administered nightmare that we have NO means of helping them understand is just temporary, just seems morally wrong to me at a base level. I see no way any reasoning someone presents will make me feel OK about doing that to them ever... so, if you cannot comprehend and respect that, then :p back atcha! :)
 
Its okay man. I don't think it would be a good idea most of the time. The drugs I was exposed to, some of them fucked me up. Some of them were good. But psychedelics have never been bad. I would not do it to my own pets unless I felt they could benefit from it, and if they're perfectly fine being animals as they are usually, then thats cool. I'm not gonna wonder "Fuck man what if I gave my dog some shrooms lol". If an animal is depressed or whatever, I would take it to the vet before thinking about giving them anything. If I were to leave some weed out and the companion animal ate it, is it my fault or their fault? This happens in the wild, so I don't think its cruel.

I don't think that letting them trip is inherently bad, everyone assumes that they will be scarred for life, and they will not be happy, and you are subjecting them to cruelty, but I think that its the end result that counts. I have had bad trips that I really think helped me. Would that change if I didn't know I was taking it? Maybe. But I wouldn't know, throw some LSD my way. :p
 
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