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reaching psychedelic states w/o psychedelics

thoughtsUnThought

thoughtsUnThought

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I'm not asking if any series of events has led you to 12 hr exps with visions and oobes etc.....so, given that a psychedelic exp is fairly unique and not replicatable to its fullest, I ask you....

What do you guys do in your lives which gets you nto trancy and/or visionary and/or highly abstract states of mind...?

When I smoke weed and drink coffee together while writing poetry or playing music i certainly attain a different frequency to my consciousness. A similar-in-intensity effect though qualitatively different exp is partaking of these two while bicycling. And while I am consuming psychoactives, the exp from them is markedly different than when consuming these substances without a catalytic situation such as art or adventure. Also to note, art of itself and bike adventuring of itself tend to induce Trancy states of mind for me as well as abstract ideas. The other effects of these non-psychedelic trips is a physical excitation, heightened awareness, altered time perception, and inte sified emotional responses.

The only other times I really trip w/o the trip drugs is through meditations....but that's another deck of cards lol. I have a particular shamanic ritual which I practice a few times a year wherein I smoke organic tobacco with my cannabis while entering trance-states through active consciousness alteration. These smoke ceremonies, though uncommon, are rivaling my other psychedelic exps in intensity.

Anyone else find themselves performing actions or rituals which regularly lead to altered-consciousness?
 
Well Mary Jane her self is a minor Psych... I thought you ment a drug like coke or alcohol making you trip, but yes, Riding bikes while on THC is very fun and trippy, as is doing it on MDMA and K, or the combo of the three ;)
 
Get a full blown tropical fever with a dash of dysentry thrown in, very trippy at times.
You have not really overcome your inhibitions until you have had no other choice than to just drop down and take a shit in a busy public street, "welcome to the third world" said my asshole, "thanks" I said "where is the airport ?"
 
:) damn webbykevin, i cant stop laughing!

seriously though, i too had a really harsh fever and hallucinated at some point. wasnt fun at all. not to mention some lucid dreams i get while having the flu. i wouldnt consider these to be favourable experiences though....

OP, i think a lot of people report having trips the first few times they try MJ... might be an explanation to the intensity of your trips....

i find practicing a sport can get me feeling quite moodlifted, and running the treadmill for a while will put me in a trancelike state... for the moments when my body is in tune to the effort that is
 
Meditating into my own mind.

Try it some time, it is very relaxing and sometimes I even feel like I am on a full blown psychedelic trip!
 
I had a mystical experience yesterday night, a ++++ completely without dosing a psychedelic drug, or any "drugs". It happened whilst I was walking to a superstore at midnight.
 
Survived Abortion said:
I had a mystical experience yesterday night, a ++++ completely without dosing a psychedelic drug, or any "drugs". It happened whilst I was walking to a superstore at midnight.
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Explain...

The psychedelic state is something unique. Even with meditation I don't see how you can reach it without drugs.
 
I'd dig some elaboration as well :-)
I can attest to comparable intensity and other-worldly out-of-bodyness of mental states w/o psychedelics. While meditation is a unique exp not the exact same as a trip, it can rival intensity from my exp.
 
With mediation, OOBE, yoga etc. and psychedelics you can reach at some point a place you can access with both.
I find it hard to remember the psychedelic state sober, but I know it exists.
It shows a very unique side of life, which makes life worth living for.
 
Many spiritual exercises lead to a similar place, but for me, possibly the most intense was a result of a good older friend with whom I would perform various occult rituals. The ritual, known as the lesser banishing ritual is very much like an active meditation using a dedicated space and a relatively ritulised series of words and actions. I have been involved in 'versions' where nothing but words and visualisation were used but I find the more elaborate setting more inspiring, so using an altar/Holy Table, a knife or staff (or stick), golden rings, incense and using enochian calls has bought about an almost total sensory overhaul, where the external world has appeared to change drmatically into a seemingly imposibly different landscape. It was actually one very intense (and immersive and subsequently unsettling) that helped shift me from a reliance on drugs for spiritual experience to an understanding that drugs are just one key. Possibly the lesser key when compared to the Lesser Key (sorry about that...;))

That said, these different experinces only approximate each other and often bear litte resemblence to each other. I find, unsurprisingly, that the space of meditation, drumming, occult ritual, yoga, general trance states are close to the same and the experiences with drugs are also close to the same. Between the two techniques is a rather vast difference though there is a connection, namely the protagonist in each, being me in my case....
 
Good post willow :-)

I agree that ritual has a lot of power and perceptual influence. Shamanism practices I've worked with have blown me away with how over-powering they can be to the perception.
 
Drumming too, forgot to mention that....musical trance, guitar as well for me, has brought me into a 'hall of light' consciously with no momentary grasp of 'i' or 'it' just raw experience of music. Lol, feels like I'm not even playing at that point, just watching from the eye of existence
 
Raw foodism is surprisingly awareness heightening...a few days without any cooked food and I am in a sparkly lucid state mentally and rather high feeling physically.

Fasting is intense too...I've ony really done juice fasts for like 36 hrs Max, but there's a noticeably different tone to ones perceptions when empty.
 
thoughtsUnThought said:
Raw foodism is surprisingly awareness heightening...a few days without any cooked food and I am in a sparkly lucid state mentally and rather high feeling physically.
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Yeah i've noticed if i go long periods of not eating any processed or cooked foods my mental clarity is astonishing, i also feel emotionally balanced. There's a very heightened sense of awareness in motion.
 
the problem with all this is in the vast spectrum of psychedelic effects and states of consciousness that are available.

Sure fasting, meditation, drumming, dance and many other exercises can bring about an altered state of consciousness, but then everything is an altered state of consciousness, farting is an altered state, so is hitting your thumb with a hammer, having a fever, breaking up with a partner, winning the lottery, but none of these states I feel are comparable to the experience of a high dose chemical trip, 500ug's of LSD, 7 grams of mushrooms, these states are powerful and unique to the drug experience and I don't personally think that the average person can induce these states without psychedelics.

Perhaps some Tibetan Monk living in a cave for 50 years may be able to take there minds into similar states but that is not your average joe so those rare examples are really not tangential to your own felt experiences.

Trust me I have tried many alternative ways to achieve a psychedelic state but nothing so far has come close to actually delivering the goods the way a partnership with shamanic plants can.
 
That's kinda of a biased comparison of experiences I feel...lol, hitting your thumv w/a hammer?? I get your point, and agree that consciousness isn't fixed, but rather always experiencing some degree of alteration. But we can agree that what we are calling a 'psychedelic state' is a certain 'type' of human exp....whereas there are plenty of intense exps like hitting your hand with a hammer that are not a state of 'psychedelic higher consciousness' but rather one of nervous system response to ones surroundings.

Now the other examples I can kinda see their relevance ro being a potentially profound state...break ups and what not, while not quite so trip like, are definitely intensely altered emotional and consciousness states.

I meditate daily, and have done so for the last 7 years. Personally I have experienced states of consciousness which rival the intensity and profoudness of trips. They are not the same, but I feel they are on the same side of the spectrum of states of consciousness.
 
webbykevin said:
the problem with all this is in the vast spectrum of psychedelic effects and states of consciousness that are available.
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Well sure, but thats not a problem. Isn't it wonderful to have choices?

Sure fasting, meditation, drumming, dance and many other exercises can bring about an altered state of consciousness, but then everything is an altered state of consciousness, farting is an altered state, so is hitting your thumb with a hammer, having a fever, breaking up with a partner, winning the lottery, but none of these states I feel are comparable to the experience of a high dose chemical trip, 500ug's of LSD, 7 grams of mushrooms, these states are powerful and unique to the drug experience and I don't personally think that the average person can induce these states without psychedelics.
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That doesn't make all that much sense; if everything is an altered state of consciousness, then surely the average person can induce these states at will. I can fart at will...;)

I don't really feel that EVERYTHING is an altered state of concsiousnesss; certainly, intense emotional experiences are noticeable for the potentially weird state of mind that can occurr (like getting a really abrupt shock, the feeling of depersonalisation and detachment from the current experience) but theres no way that you can compare the experience of a break-up or farting with LSD. It just doesn't make sense to compare those experiences, but if you do, then of course you are going to say that one cannot simply induce a spontaneous LSD-type experience if you truly consider farting or break-ups to be on a similar spectrum to LSD, which they really aren't. Its irrelevant to come to any conclusion by comparing almost entirely unrelated experiences...

However...

I've been curious about things like pain (ie. hammering your thumb...;)) as a method to achieve a certain trance-state. I'm not into pain myself, but I've a friend who is into BDSM as a submissive and has told me about what they call sub-space, which is apparently similar to ketamine in terms of sensory shut-down. Curious is what I will remain, as I'm not going to try that, but she has said its what makes her want to repeat that sort of experience....


[/QUOTE]Trust me I have tried many alternative ways to achieve a psychedelic state but nothing so far has come close to actually delivering the goods the way a partnership with shamanic plants can.[/QUOTE]

Like what?

thoughtsUnThought said:
That's kinda of a biased comparison of experiences I feel...lol, hitting your thumv w/a hammer?? I get your point, and agree that consciousness isn't fixed, but rather always experiencing some degree of alteration. But we can agree that what we are calling a 'psychedelic state' is a certain 'type' of human exp....whereas there are plenty of intense exps like hitting your hand with a hammer that are not a state of 'psychedelic higher consciousness' but rather one of nervous system response to ones surroundings.

Now the other examples I can kinda see their relevance ro being a potentially profound state...break ups and what not, while not quite so trip like, are definitely intensely altered emotional and consciousness states.

I meditate daily, and have done so for the last 7 years. Personally I have experienced states of consciousness which rival the intensity and profoudness of trips. They are not the same, but I feel they are on the same side of the spectrum of states of consciousness.
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Good post there. :)

Something for other males to think about is abstaining from sex or mainly orgasm. It does bring about a sort of increased awareness of certain social subtlety, and (for me at least) an increase in motivation and confidence; but accompanied by an increase in aggression and irritability. I can't say what its like for women, but rejecting the urge/need to orgasm can be interesting for a man. Its easier then you might think and certainly rewarding, but relatively meaningless. Just a heightened, almost manic energy, which can be slightly dangerous for me as I am already quite aggressive and contrary as it is...
 
Ah, good one. Storing the seed s an intense state of consciousness...but from my exp the aggression isn't present when you 'circuate the energy' read on the microcosmic orbit if you're interested willow. Taoist sexual energy cultivation :-) intense stuff.

If i only deny the hormonal rushes I could see there being a build up of irritability, but when I practice cycling the energy and getting the currents flowing I find ony increases in endurance, feeling of well-being and awareness :-) glad you brought that up, def a good reference for this thread.
 
Trust me I have tried many alternative ways to achieve a psychedelic state but nothing so far has come close to actually delivering the goods the way a partnership with shamanic plants can.[/QUOTE]

Like what?

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Meditation, sensory depravation, isolation, wilderness retreats, depression, diet, 3rd world travel, skydiving, rage, herbal medicines, drumming, dance, chanting, grief, fasting ......

I'll think of a few more if you want but that should give you some idea of what I mean :)
 
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