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Reached my limit?

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Dr.DruNk

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I took 32mg of 2c-e last weekend and experienced extremely uncomfortable bodyload. For the first 3.5 hours it was like my sensations and emotions were directly hooked up to my gag-reflex which made me understandably uneasy. This made it hard to really appreciate anything. For example, I played some music and when the good part of a song came around I would start heaving from the intensity. If my wife said something funny, same thing. And so on. The mental/visual part would have been nice with out the body effects. I did puke a bit once, but it didn't really help. At around the 4-5 hour mark I started to feel better, but was disappointed the most intense part of the trip was spoiled.

I was very surprised, as about a month earlier I took 28mg and it was 100% awesome. I had almost no unpleasant body effects that time, and the visual/mental intensity, while very strong, was great. I decided to up the dose this last time because I wanted to go a bit further with the visuals/mental aspects. The only difference I can think of between the 2 trips in preparation was that for the 28mg one I didn't eat for 4 hours before and the 32 one I ate some McDonald's hash browns and coffee just before I took it.

I am wondering if I should always expect to get nauseous above 28mg or was it just a one time thing? I really want to push the experience further, but I don't want my body to hold me back. Would 2c-p or 2c-t-2 produce an experience comparable to 2c-e in strength without out as much bodyload?
 
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The higher you dose the higher the intensity and the higher the bodyload and from some point it's just getting confusing.
I would say dose lower and try to meditate. Find some good relaxing music from youtube and look how far you can go with just 15-20mg 2c-e.

And yes it has a reason why people say you shouldn't eat before, and eating a hash browny will also add effects to the experience.

If you want to push the experience reall further, maybe quit 2c-e and switch to tryptamines which tend to have less bodyload. And you can combine JWH-250 with low dosages, that way the mental part gets way more intensive but the bodyload stays the same.
I'd say don't try to push it with the dosage, try to push the intensity yourself with your mind. Sometimes high dosages are not really needed.
 
McDonalds? No wonder you felt awful!

Some people say that taking a Benadryl about 20 minutes before eating the 2C-e helps a lot with the bodyload. I haven't dosed 2C-e as high as you yet (16mg max so far) but I've never had a terrible bodyload.
 
The easiest thing to do for the 2c bodyload is to smoke marijuana. If you don't want the mind-effects of ganja, the next-best-thing is probably paracetamol. Benadryl works (and other antihistamines) but it's more disorienting than weed (and not as fun) so it's not preferable.

2c-t-2 has a bodyload at least as intense as 2c-e; the nausea is probably worse than 2c-e while the other effects are not as bad and it has a really nice skin buzz. But it's a fundamentally different trip, more like mescaline than 2c-e.
 
@eLeSaH - I get what your saying about not pushing it. However, unless I am convinced other wise I'll probably just back down to 28mg max and experiment with different substances. Also, I didn't eat a hash brownie... I wish I had some of those. What a funny misunderstanding.

@Termino - Thanks for reminding me about Benadryl. I'll look for other reports of that reducing bodyload before I dare attempt it.

I'm still interested in what other people experienced with 2c-e have to say about my original questions. Also, I should mention I'm on 300mg Wellbutrin xl daily. I suspect this weakens the effects of the 2c-e somewhat which is why I take such large doses. Either that or I'm just naturally insensitive. I have historically been very tolerant to psychedelic experiences. From the trip reports I've read, I guess that 28mg hits me like 16-22 hits someone else. I know I could quit the meds, but that is not going to happen for a while (6 months to a year), so I want to make the best of the situation.

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@atara - thanks for chiming in.
 
what i learned with 2ce you really gotta watch your diet a day or 2 before the trip even and thatll make the trip alot more pleasurable, if you dont youll more likely able to feel like shit through some parts of the trip. stay away from fast food, soda, lots of cigarettes the day before the trip and the day of your trip.

when i started eating alot healthier days around trip time and fast atleast 6 hours before dose time itll always be a smoother trip ime.

iv dosed 45mg of 2ce a couple times while in a very healthy energized state and had little to zero physical discomfort. visualls were very pretty i was able to enjoy the whole trip mentally and visually.

trips have ranged drastically for me from dose to dose. for example iv ate 20mg and it was just as intense as some 45mg trips iv had so it ranges just gotta play around with doses, set and setting, etc.

idk if you like nitrous but that seems to add a cool flavor whilst on 2ce aswel.

take it easy
 
When you get to the point where you are risking overdose and tolerance buildup it always generally a good idea to take an extended break.
 
you could try the fasting method or maybe even just use a tums beforehand (i've read that would also potentiate the absorption) or some ginger ale or something to try and quell your stomach problems.
 
Thanks for the feedback everyone. There is some good suggestions above about how to lessen bodyload which may come in handy in the future should I need it. However, I've really taken to heart the posts that urge caution. After some thought, I decided I should probably take a break for a month at least from psychedelics and re-evaluate my dosage behavior. Since I've only had a hand-full of trips on 2c-e, which was my first phenylethylamine, I was a little naive about its effects. 2c-e is a chemical that needs to be respected or there will be consequences. I learned that first hand by trying to force it to give me the experience I wanted instead of what it offers.

To answer the question posed in the topic title, I have indeed found my limit.
 
You should not attempt tripping on Wellbutrin.

You should also not attempt 2C-E above ~20mg.

I agree with those who say let your mind do the work, not the dose. 20mg of 2C-E would be a strong +++ for most of us here.
 
2c-e Was my first psych. Used it probably 7 times total. I always used a benydral 30 minutes before hand because if there is a feeling I hate more then anything in the world, it's being nautious. I started out doses 10-15 mgs. The trips where always pretty cool but never intense enough like I heard it could be. I actually wanted the mind fuck. Never really got there. Just some visual distortion and much appreciation to music. My last 2 trips on it I decided to up the dose to 25 and then 28 mgs. The bodyload/naseua was ridiculous! I even took 2 benedryls on the 28 mg trip and it didn't do jack shit. I couldn't even enjoy the peak because I didn't know wheather I wanted to run to the bathroom and puke or fight it. I never threw up but it was on my mind the entire trip. ANd it really sucked I couldn't just lay down and let the trip take over. I couldn't sit still with the heavy body load.

Needless to say, after that night I threw my stash away. The negatives just outweighed the positives too much for me to try it again.
Good luck on your next trip..
 
Did you eat before your trip? It's good to have an empty stomach before your trips or some of the least-nauseating substances can present you with a serious bodyload.

Edit: Sorry, I was a little tired when I posted, managed to skim right over that bit of your post, but yes, I suspect the food/coffee was the issue. Avoid that next time ;)
 
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2C-P won't be an improvement. What comfort is gained in lessened intensity, is compensated by the very long duration.

I liked how 2C-T-4 had noticably less body load than the other phens I've tried. Then again, it's so subtle few people actually like it.

The only suggestion I can add for diminishing the stomach load of 2C-E is plugging the stuff. If you can bring yourself to such act. Beware of the increase in potency, though. 4mg was enough to keep me duly entertained.
 
I think my problem with 2c-e was that I was chasing a deeper experience by upping the dose. I love 2c-e. It is like pure magic and I think is one of the best feeling drugs I've ever done (unless you take too much), but I don't think it will ever ++++ me. Well maybe after I stop Wellbutrin, but we will have to see. Taking large doses and risking an unpleasant physical experience seems a little abusive. I've decided that from now on my 2c-e dosage will be determined by the context of setting using it as a tool to enhance the situation, and give up on forcing a ++++.

After reading more on 2c-p I think my next trip will be on that (and put my 2c-e in cold storage for a while). It sounds really nice. I just won't expect it to produce a super deep experience (for me) and just enjoy it for what it is. You never know, maybe this compound will do it for me within normal dosage ranges (8-14mg).
 
It sounds like you just took too much. I've dissolved my entire universe on 20mg of 2C-E, and I know people who've gone farther with less.

Taking 30+mg is just asking to be uncomfortable and get less out of the experience overall, IMHO.

It seems like people have gotten bolder and bolder with this drug over the years, back in the day we ventured over 20mg only with serious caution. This stuff can really spin you out there, under the right circumstances.
 
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It seems like people have gotten bolder and bolder with this drug over the years, back in the day we ventured over 20mg only with serious caution. This stuff can really spin you out there, under the right circumstances.
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Really? Maybe the batches are just less pure these days? I never take less than 20, and I don't consider myself a particularly intrepid explorer. 4g of mush or 400 mics of L would be an intimidating dose for me.

I have been able to get to a weak ++++ on 2C-E, but only at doses of 20mg and above and with A LOT of cannabis. Never had any full-fledged open-eye ego death with it.
 
No such thing as a "weak ++++". Either it was ++++ or it wasn't.

I don't really understand what "open-eye ego death" is supposed to mean either.

It's entirely possible some people are getting less pure or cut product, but as far as synthesis goes usually labs only get better with time. Current chinese labs are shipping out bright white product that is probably 99% pure for dozens of different chemicals.
 
Sometimes we do just have those days where a trip takes us by suprise and we get an insane body load. It is due to factors such as your emotional state, the health of your body on that day etc.

The hash browns and coffee certainly didn't help. The food we eat affects us physically and mentally, and junk food like that is definitely not going to set you off on the right foot for a good trip. I wouldn't recommend combining caffeine with stimulating psychedelics such as phenethylamines. The jitteriness of coffee is only bound to get amplified by the effect of the phen. Greasy fried foods made with shitty ingredients are horrible for your physical well-being, which will percolate in to your mind-state and no doubt have the effects you decribed.

32mg is a high dose of 2C-E, so it is understandable that it made you nauseous, especially in combination with the food you ate. Some of the 2Cs have a fairly steep dose-response curve, and this is one of them. Any changes in mind or body set will be magnified by higher doses.

If you want to eat before your trip, have something very light. Try going for a walk or engaging in something wholesome. Avoid harsh stimuli such as broadcast television, that's enough to make anyone nauseous even whilst sober. Tried and true remedies for psychedelic nausea are lemon oil and ginger. Although I haven't tried them myself, I see enough people on BL proclaiming their effectiveness. Meditation is the best remedy. Just sit there and focus on your body, and your breath. Recognize the sensations in your body, but don't try to fight them. Let them pass through you, and they will be transformed from a body load in to a wonderful body-high.

Try these suggestions, and I can pretty much guarantee your trips will be less nausea dominated and more blissful. There's some great suggestions in this thread already, so I'd say it's just a case of trying them out and seeing what works for you.
 
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