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Opioids Raw opium

I do have a bit of experience with opium, I mean actual latex right from the plant, not those weird things that people obtain by boiling down dry poppies.
If you have a tolerance to opiates, then eat it.
In order to properly smoke opium you need 3 conditions:
- low tolerance
-refined opium
- proper device
Refining opium (to a degree, you won't be able to get chandoo -finest form of refined opium- in your kitchen) isn't too difficult, but it takes some time, also you will lose like 30% in weight compared to the raw opium that you started with.
Then, you will need a proper device, persian vafoor or oriental pipes that you (or me) won't know how to properly use. So, oral route is your best option in my opinion (then again, if you are opiate tolerant, that's it)
As I said, I have been around opium long enough to see what happens to 99% of "opium smokers": dudes that have been lucky enough to get some opium (sometimes for the first and maybe last time in their life) don't listen to more seasoned people who tell them exactly what I am telling you here, they are hellbent about smoking the stuff no matter what, and they take their raw opium and just toss it on some foil, getting some effects but missing the high that said amount would provided them if eaten.
That said, eating opium is tricky: it's not easy to calculate how much will you need according to your tolerance when you are new to it, and you need to be careful cause oral opium last forever, so if you eat too much, it won't be nice and it won't be over in a few hours.
On the other hand, smoking it is wasteful as I have explained, but it can be dosed much more carefully that way, plus the taste and the smell are truly delicious and exotic, that can't be denied
 
I have also some experience with raw opium, I smoked it dried and coarsely powdered mixed with some weed, hash and sometimes with datura leaves (it's difficult to smoke it by itself, better to mix it with something). It is quite fine to smoke it this way, but it's definitely much better to drink it in liquid form. Dissolve it in small amount of spirit or strong wine.
 
Señor Moreno said:
I do have a bit of experience with opium, I mean actual latex right from the plant, not those weird things that people obtain by boiling down dry poppies.
If you have a tolerance to opiates, then eat it.
In order to properly smoke opium you need 3 conditions:
- low tolerance
-refined opium
- proper device
Refining opium (to a degree, you won't be able to get chandoo -finest form of refined opium- in your kitchen) isn't too difficult, but it takes some time, also you will lose like 30% in weight compared to the raw opium that you started with.
Then, you will need a proper device, persian vafoor or oriental pipes that you (or me) won't know how to properly use. So, oral route is your best option in my opinion (then again, if you are opiate tolerant, that's it)
As I said, I have been around opium long enough to see what happens to 99% of "opium smokers": dudes that have been lucky enough to get some opium (sometimes for the first and maybe last time in their life) don't listen to more seasoned people who tell them exactly what I am telling you here, they are hellbent about smoking the stuff no matter what, and they take their raw opium and just toss it on some foil, getting some effects but missing the high that said amount would provided them if eaten.
That said, eating opium is tricky: it's not easy to calculate how much will you need according to your tolerance when you are new to it, and you need to be careful cause oral opium last forever, so if you eat too much, it won't be nice and it won't be over in a few hours.
On the other hand, smoking it is wasteful as I have explained, but it can be dosed much more carefully that way, plus the taste and the smell are truly delicious and exotic, that can't be denied
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I agree 100% when I came across some glass medicine bottle tincture(more like a pinte" by an acquaintance who was like oh you like opiates? You will give me 20 or 40$?,,OK BRB, type of desperation that had led to this old glass bottle faded away label missing exact contents, but as soon as I took a few Gulps, I KNEW this was the real deal.
And this was further proven, taking a lil bit of the sticky almost syrup liquid(more or less) and throwing it in foil PROVED by taste and "head rush"(basically really nothing), and was able to enjoy but found smoking it a waste IMMEDIATELY and since this was a one chance you got hella lucky situation, I saved 2 or 3 good gulps and whatever little bit left was smoke, and hopefully up the high of whatever I was in at the time, probably oxy and Tramadol.

But yeah idk it sounds like it was refined? Or would that be a more powdery or tar like end product? Mine was still liquid yet had more of a consistent thickness too it as well.
 
@Señor Moreno

You CAN in fact make chandu, or at any rate something very close to it in quality at home,
but it is very labour-intensive.

You also do not have to have low tolerance to get something out of smoking. The vast majority of old-time Chinese addicts were smokers, and they used daily for years so of course had a sky-high tolerance. The difference was they had access to highly refined, potent smoking opium and they had the right equipment. With a proper pipe it is not very wasteful since one end of the pipe stem is closed off, and the vapours only come out of the mouthpiece that you inhale from.
 
Opana313 said:
I agree 100% when I came across some glass medicine bottle tincture(more like a pinte" by an acquaintance who was like oh you like opiates? You will give me 20 or 40$?,,OK BRB, type of desperation that had led to this old glass bottle faded away label missing exact contents, but as soon as I took a few Gulps, I KNEW this was the real deal.
And this was further proven, taking a lil bit of the sticky almost syrup liquid(more or less) and throwing it in foil PROVED by taste and "head rush"(basically really nothing), and was able to enjoy but found smoking it a waste IMMEDIATELY and since this was a one chance you got hella lucky situation, I saved 2 or 3 good gulps and whatever little bit left was smoke, and hopefully up the high of whatever I was in at the time, probably oxy and Tramadol.

But yeah idk it sounds like it was refined? Or would that be a more powdery or tar like end product? Mine was still liquid yet had more of a consistent thickness too it as well.
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What you had was very probably opium tincture, also known as paregoric wich is an old fashioned medicine, very useful. It was pharma treated opium, but not refined in the way that we meant, that refined thing is a procedure to obtain a better fomr of opium for it to be smokable


TheUltimateFixx said:
@Señor Moreno
You CAN in fact make chandu, or at any rate something very close to it in quality at home,
but it is very labour-intensive.

You also do not have to have low tolerance to get something out of smoking. The vast majority of old-time Chinese addicts were smokers, and they used daily for years so of course had a sky-high tolerance. The difference was they had access to highly refined, potent smoking opium and they had the right equipment. With a proper pipe it is not very wasteful since one end of the pipe stem is closed off, and the vapours only come out of the mouthpiece that you inhale from.
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Well, Ultimate, you are 100% right that those chinese addicts had indeed a tolerance and, despite it, they kept smoking, but those folks didn't post in BL asking about opium, I was answering the OP's question.
About chandoo, you sure can refine your raw opium and then do it again till you get a very smokable product than can be called chandoo, but the purest forms of it required some solvent agent -other than boiling&evaporation- to totally get rid of the remaining impurities.
Before chandoo there was another way of smoking opium, it was called mazdhak.
When Portus and Spaniards brought tobacoo to oriental places like Indonesia, people started to macerate tobacoo leaves (sp?) Into opium solutions for a while, then they dried the tobacoo, added some species and smoked it. With time, they forgot about tobacoo and focused into improving opium solutions and that's how well refined chandoo became a thing.
We have talked about these subjects many a time, and I thing that you can refine and smoke opium without it being a waste.
But, as latins said, you are a "rara avis", a strange bird in danger of extintion: you harvest your own gum, you know how to refine it and, most important, you have an awesome smoking device that you know how to manage. Now, let's be real: how many people have the skills and devices that you have? How many regular dudes know how to use a lamp, how to roll a opium piece into the prefect size and shape using the needle? Not many, in fact I only know you.

So, that's my point: for a casual drug user smoking opium is highly wasteful compared to eating it, it's not a matter of tastes or opinions, it's just the cold maths of bioavailability
 
@Señor Moreno

Oh, absolutely. For a casual user, especially a casual modern-day Western user, smoking is pointless. ESPECIALLY if we're talking smoking on foil, which is the method most opiate users obviously mean when they mention 'smoking' opium. Whereas I'm a modern-day Western user committed to, and knowledgeable in traditional Eastern techniques of administration with access to the proper paraphernalia.

I was talking in generic principles of drug action, while you had in mind specifics of drug use.
 
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Way back I used to melt it and coat the outer surface of my spliffs on occasion. That definitely worked. But totally different to making it into tea. Which was my main method. Obviously nowhere near as strong and it kind of synergized with the bud. Great smoke though.
 
That's exactly what I wanted to mean, Ultimate. But finding the proper English words to perfectly explain my points isn't allways easy for me.
But that's it, tossing some raw opium on foil is a total waste, very specially being it so rare to get in our western nations.
A curious thing is that in some places where opium use is cultural, I'm thinking about parts of Iran, smoking opium isn't legal but it's somehow tolerated, but eating it is seen as a shame, they tend to think that the smoker controls the substance and its use, but the eater has lost himself to opium, hence eaters are seen as vicious. They now that both the eater snd the smoker are addicts to the same substance, but the eater is also a junkie for them
Not that different from what was happening a couple decades ago in the US, when an oxy pills eater was much more socially tolerated than a heroin user.
 
Where the hell can you find raw opium and/or make it? Back in college we'd sometimes get this sweet smelling black stuff that we'd CALL opium and it would give me a VERY mild high but it was probably fake right? I mean I have no idea what was in it but real opium is probably so much stronger that whatever crap I used. I wonder what was in it.
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
@Señor Moreno

Oh, absolutely. For a casual user, especially a casual modern-day Western user, smoking is pointless. ESPECIALLY if we're talking smoking on foil, which is the method most opiate users obviously mean when they mention 'smoking' opium. Whereas I'm a modern-day Western user committed to, and knowledgeable in traditional Eastern techniques of administration with access to the proper paraphernalia.

I was talking in generic principles of drug action, while you had in mind specifics of drug use.
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I’m quite curious about how well opium runs on foil and how strong of a high could be achieved by it for someone without a tolerance to opiates
 
In its raw form, it almost doesn't run. It advances little by little while it burns.
Refining it -solution in water and then recover by evaporation- you get kind of a crystalized powder that runs much better, it advances much more easily along the foil, even drawing lines on the foil, but, compared to heroin, it leaves a much dirtier residue behind. Also don't expect it to run like h would, let alone free base coca, cause it won't happen, it never would run like that.
If you have zero tolerance it will get you high for sure, but opium, despite being a hard and very addictive drug, isn't in fact too strong. I mean that natural opium isn't as potent as its isolated alchaloids (opioids) or other opiates.
Point being that it isn't like smoking decent heroin, where a naive person wanting to get high, would have enough smoking some lines; opium is much lighter and to get that high you'd need to puff and puff and so on.
But that is a good thing, smoking is very versatile and allows you to control your dose and to achieve the effects that you need much more accurately than using it orally or rectally
 
PenguinWithNapalm said:
I’m quite curious about how well opium runs on foil and how strong of a high could be achieved by it for someone without a tolerance to opiates
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Better take it orally. If you have no tolerance then even a small amount will knock you sideways and be much more efficient weight for weight than trying to evaporate it.
 
PenguinWithNapalm said:
Opium pills?
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I'm going to assume he's still able to get what I could purchase before 9/11 in America. Back then people would sell you these $10 lumps of tar opium. We always threw it in bowls or broke it up and rolled it in joints with our dirt weed. I saw a block of it one time and it had a scorpion on it.

After 9/11 it vanished from the market and all I ever saw after that was the fake red rock stuff that I assume was incenses
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
I'm going to assume he's still able to get what I could purchase before 9/11 in America. Back then people would sell you these $10 lumps of tar opium. We always threw it in bowls or broke it up and rolled it in joints with our dirt weed. I saw a block of it one time and it had a scorpion on it.

After 9/11 it vanished from the market and all I ever saw after that was the fake red rock stuff that I assume was incenses
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Are you sure that wasn’t just black tar heroin?
 
PenguinWithNapalm said:
Are you sure that wasn’t just black tar heroin?
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Black tar heroin didn't exist in our area of the country back then. I barely existed here 10 years ago. We were firmly in powder country.

It was actual opium. Like I said it vanished from the market in 2001 never to be seen again then pills came flooding in. We didn't see heroin here until the mid-2010s.

Edit: I should have added that I've done black tar when visiting a friend down south and the difference between it and the opium that used to be sold here before 2001 was very obvious.
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
Black tar heroin didn't exist in our area of the country back then. I barely existed here 10 years ago. We were firmly in powder country.

It was actual opium. Like I said it vanished from the market in 2001 never to be seen again then pills came flooding in. We didn't see heroin here until the mid-2010s.
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Which country?
 
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