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Rarest drugs you've done?

4DQSAR said:
And yet you live!

I could never work it out because cyclazine hydrochloride isn't very water soluble.

Were people crashing out the base and adding vit C or AA?

OR it that why it wrecked the body so fast? Whacking a hot solution only for it to turn into a solid in one's veins?

I've never touched pins - I've had so much surgery, I do not want to be reminded of those times in any ways, shape or forms.
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Yes. I lived to tell the tale. So many didn’t. That was at the same time people were hitting up those yellow temazepam eggs? Just hitting the white gook up neat from inside the caps! I only did that a couple of times. It felt like every time you did it you were going to lose a limb.

We just cooked up the skag with citric as normal, added a half ml cooler, and threw in a bit of crushed up cyclizine. Same way as you do a snowball really. Can’t believe the risks we took. Now? Never!

Good for you for not going down the pins route. It’s so hard to stop.
 
BrightonDude said:
That was at the same time people were hitting up those yellow temazepam eggs?
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Yeah - the only thing that was worse were those grey Heminevrin (clomethiazole) 'goose eggs'.


Those buried a lot of people who figured that one egg was around the same potency as the other. Three goose eggs - game over.
 
Idk I never got much into RCs... never did anything too rare.

The most uncommon drugs I can remember doing are probably

- Opana (brand name)
- MXE
- 6-APB
- 2C-B
- 3-HO-PCP
- Phenobarbital
- Some weird fentanyl analog
- Some weird unknown psychedelic with extremely bizarre effects
- Pure uncut cocaine straight off a kilo (woooow)
- Some weird horse sized pharma pill that gave me the strangest high I've ever had (it wasn't pleasant, and I cannot compare it to any other drug, no clue what it was or even what class of drug it was)
 
I had bought a cheap toy cotton candy machine and I bought a cola flavored marihuana lolly, broke off the candy and spun it into cotton.

It tasted positively vile.
 
4DQSAR said:

Yeah - the only thing that was worse were those grey Heminevrin (clomethiazole) 'goose eggs'.


Those buried a lot of people who figured that one egg was around the same potency as the other. Three goose eggs - game over.
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Ah, ok, yes. The heminevrin was for coming off booze, wasn’t it? I remember from that time that drinkers would stop drinking and end up hooked on that drug.

Right…. I might actually get some sleep tonight.

Thanks for the chat, I enjoyed it. And have a great weekend.
 
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PsychedelicSummer said:
Maybe one of these: Aleph-1/DOT; TMA-2 & TMA-6; MIPLA; 2C-T-21. Have some DOB that I haven't sampled yet.
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What a list! Whatever happened to good old names like crank, skag and blow? We need to start a campaign to rename all these chemical name drugs!

If you had to choose a user friendly name for Aleph-1/DOT, and that name should also hint at the effects of the drug, what would you name it?
 
BrightonDude said:
Ah, ok, yes. The heminevrin was for coming off booze, wasn’t it? I remember from that time that drinkers would stop drinking and end up hooked on that drug.
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Hence a 'Heminevrin Detoxification Unit' quietly being set up at Addenbrookes or Cambridge Teaching Hospital. I'm not quite sure which because patients were, apparently, being ghosted if they wound up in A&E and the only drug in their system turned out to be clomethiazole.

How did they do that? Section 2A of the Mental Health Act, that's how.

Get a couple of doctors to sign on the dot asserting 'drug induced psychosis' or some rubbish like that and BANG, twenty eight days before you can even apply to have a case review and this was the NHS in the 80s so get too cocky with them and you got a Section 2B - a YEAR*

*Loophole - escape and stay free for 364 days the order lapses and cannot be renewed (unless you have been found 'guilty but insane' for a serious crime).
 
Among the most esoteric drugs I've done… these three I synthesized and self-assayed decades ago:
  • DMMDA-2 – a trippier MDA
  • DMMDMA-2 – a somewhat weaker-yet-slightly-more visual MDMA
  • TMA-2 – an amphetamine-based, 2,4,5-rearrangement of TMPEA (mescaline) that is more potent, more stimulating, and quite visual
These tryptamines aren't super rare, but interesting nonetheless and still pretty hard to find:
  • DiPT – the notorious audio distortion/de-tuner tryptamine and—fun fact—Hamilton Morris once called this his favorite drug when used in the ~200mg dose
  • MPT – a weird tryptamine that made me feel like an alien on a foreign planet from the deep past
  • DPT.HCl – made famous by the Temple of the Inner Light in NYC, it is said to be their eucharist, but it has a edgy kinda vibe that I've found sorta hard to get into, TBH. Still have some and plan to endeavor again at some point.
Phenethylamine family:
  • 2,4,6-IsoMescaline – no surprise, a lot like clean mescaline, also quite a bit nauseating in the beginning, but then a fairly spiritual trip after the purging is done
  • 3C-B-5-HEMIFLY – Pretty nifty psychedelic if you don't mind a bit of anxiogenesis and a longAF duration; also quite potent
  • 2C-T-7 – so lovely, highly recommended with the utmost caution, but a great experience overall
  • DOI-2-FLY-5-BUTTERFLY – long-lasting, very potent, and an intense trip. TBH I had a hard time enjoying this one due to stories of Bromo-DragonFLY absolutely fucking people up, bodying at least a dozen people, and that horrifying story about the two Scandinavian lads who were shipped a bag of Bromo-DragonFLY mislabeled as 2C-B-FLY
 
unodelacosa said:
Among the most esoteric drugs I've done… these three I synthesized and self-assayed decades ago:
  • DMMDA-2 – a trippier MDA
  • DMMDMA-2 – a somewhat weaker-yet-slightly-more visual MDMA
  • TMA-2 – an amphetamine-based, 2,4,5-rearrangement of TMPEA (mescaline) that is more potent, more stimulating, and quite visual
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Yeah - the Wacker oxidation meant that as long as you know how to fractionally distil essential oils, you too can shake and bake your own spices.

I did not like TMA-2 one little bit. Far too stimulating even below the doses needed for the full psychedelic activity and a long, slow, nasty comedown.
 
4DQSAR said:
Yeah - the Wacker oxidation meant that as long as you know how to fractionally distil essential oils, you too can shake and bake your own spices.
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May it rest in peace. Though not exactly a shake & bake, per se (comparing here to the notorious U.S.-based "shake and bake" methamphetamine synthesis route) – palladium II chloride is expensive, as is palladium (and side-synthesizing aqua regia to side-synthesize Pd2Cl is a nuisance if one opts for that route), the Wacker oxidation does offers the advantage of handling safrole's isomerization. There's a version of the Wacker that uses p-benzoquinone instead of O₂ and is much more efficient w/Pd2Cl, but p-benzo can be harsh without a fume hood, the fan of which cannot have any exposed electrical connections nor can it spark openly in any way during operation – something to consider regarding non-polar solvents & other volatiles in a clandestine or non-professional/hobbyist lab. But this too can be accomplished with enough gumption.

A fractionating column can be procured (or replicated) easily. Not to nit-pick; sorry, fam. And it's not like one needs a degree or even an understanding of chemistry that's beyond surface deep to pull off and work-up a p-benzo Wacker oxidation, but I will say it's not the kinda shit you can accomplish easily or safely with milk jugs, hose clamps and good-ol' hillbilly pluck and drive… well actually, that's probably not impossible if one can duck around the need for vacuum distillation, which might be possible, but—to borrow a Britishism—bloody hell, mate. How about giving a fuck about the end consumer, for chrissakes? … le sigh. It's ironic that the government calls this "drug control".

I did not like TMA-2 one little bit. Far too stimulating even below the doses needed for the full psychedelic activity and a long, slow, nasty comedown.
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Yeah it's kind of an angry little psychedelic amphetamine that likes to overstay its welcome, lol. TBH, all of the psychedelic amphetamines—except DOM—carry this energy a bit, at least for me. DOx drugs are certainly amphetamines as well as psychedelics, and this is echoed in both their mood and duration, as you well know, lol

There are a few aminorex drugs I'd like to try, a handful of PEAs, ditto for tryptamines, and quite a few dissos that interest me as well.

Relevant:
 
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Just apply the Tsuji-modification. CuCl2 alone won't do it - you need a dash of CuCl to get the whole thing going.
 
4DQSAR said:
Just apply the Tsuji-modification. CuCl2 alone won't do it - you need a dash of CuCl to get the whole thing going.
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To what, the p-benzo wacker oxidation? I don't think that would work. Tsuji–Trost requires a stable Pd(0) catalyst. Wacker needs Pd(II) to oxidize alkenes. And p-benzoquinone is an oxidant—it would convert Pd(0) to Pd(II), thus quenching the Pd(0) needed for Tsuji–Trost, no?

Pd(0) species, essential for Tsuji–Trost, gets immediately reoxidized to Pd(II) – no time for nucleophilic substitution. Even worse: phosphine ligands (which stabilize Pd(0) in Tsuji–Trost) are degraded or oxidized under CuCl₂ conditions. It would likely be too acidic and halide-rich which is not friendly to many nucleophiles or allylic leaving groups. Switching to CuCl₂/CuCl makes the redox part more aggressive, not less — so it’s even less compatible with Tsuji–Trost than p-benzoquinone or just a balloon filled with O₂ fitted on an adapter nipple.

There are systems where Pd switches oxidation states intentionally during a multistep cascade, with conditions finely tuned to allow that back-and-forth without shutting the cycle down. Por ejemplo: perform a Pd(0)-catalyzed allylic substitution first (Tsuji–Trost) → then introduce p-benzoquinone and/or O₂ to oxidize Pd(0) and trigger a Wacker oxidation step. This would yield ketone products and avoids redox interference mid-cycle.

The work of Dr. Larry E. Overman (University of California, Irvine) in redox-paired strategies for dual catalytic cycles is pioneering in this space, btw and interesting as hell if you're into this kinda thing.
 
I just know it worked for us. We had used PdCl2 (photograpic suppliers) and read CuCl2 OR CuCl (both eaily obtained) could be used as co-catalyst reducing the amount of PdCl2 required. Tried both a few times and it just did not work for us. So someone asked 'say, why not try.... a mixture of the co-cayalysts?'. So we did. THEN it worked.
 
unodelacosa said:
To what, the p-benzo wacker oxidation? I don't think that would work. Tsuji–Trost requires a stable Pd(0) catalyst. Wacker needs Pd(II) to oxidize alkenes. And p-benzoquinone is an oxidant—it would convert Pd(0) to Pd(II), thus quenching the Pd(0) needed for Tsuji–Trost, no?
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BTW this was in 1988 so all we had was the university library and the journals to which it subscribed. I didn't even KNOW it was termed ' Tsuji-modification' until I looked, just before posting.

Because we had an extremely simple ethos - don't break the law.

Heck - we wrote it all up as humble undergraduates, no journal would accept the work from 'the likes of us'.

I still stand by that ethos. I don't break the law; EVER.
 
4DQSAR said:
I just know it worked for us. We had used PdCl2 (photograpic suppliers) and read CuCl2 OR CuCl (both eaily obtained) could be used as co-catalyst reducing the amount of PdCl2 required. Tried both a few times and it just did not work for us. So someone asked 'say, why not try.... a mixture of the co-cayalysts?'. So we did. THEN it worked.
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Right so what happens there is: PdCl₂ + CuCl₂/CuCl is a co-catalyzed Wacker w/redox regeneration of Pd(II) from Pd(0), which allows for less Pd consumption (at least in theory), but drawbacks include potential Pd precipitation (Pd black formation) due to high chlorine & acidic conditions, side reactions, over-oxidation and degradation of sensitive functional groups.

Lastly, in terms of harm reduction, CuCl/CuCl₂ mixtures generate significant metal waste and are toxic and environmentally persistent. And anyway, the oxygen needed for the reaction process is supplied by the p-benzoquinone or simply O₂ in the original reaction… I wonder how rough the CuCl is on the PdCl₂ in terms of efficiency.
 
No synth discussion its makes us dummy's feel dumb haha I don't care -- is that good old palladium black again? Oh yeah I'm dangerous smart haha
 
4DQSAR said:
Hence a 'Heminevrin Detoxification Unit' quietly being set up at Addenbrookes or Cambridge Teaching Hospital. I'm not quite sure which because patients were, apparently, being ghosted if they wound up in A&E and the only drug in their system turned out to be clomethiazole.

How did they do that? Section 2A of the Mental Health Act, that's how.

Get a couple of doctors to sign on the dot asserting 'drug induced psychosis' or some rubbish like that and BANG, twenty eight days before you can even apply to have a case review and this was the NHS in the 80s so get too cocky with them and you got a Section 2B - a YEAR*

*Loophole - escape and stay free for 364 days the order lapses and cannot be renewed (unless you have been found 'guilty but insane' for a serious crime).
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They attempted that shite up here on both me and a family member. They failed to get the two doctor signatures for me, I had a doctor assessment and was fine. In the other case it was unclear as no doctor assessment was given prior to being binned' and the person was well outright kidnapped from their house.

They got out after 21 days and did indeed have to dodge the hospital order for a year --- what is a section 2b? Because they were talking mad shit about halfway houses and whatnot.

I can tell you there was not a thing wrong with either of us either it is simply an attempt to break due process and break a person. About a 56k medical tab for that kidnapping I hear.
 
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