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Quitting/Tapering Thread.

Halif said:
The heavy music and weights combo is absolutely brilliant and I strongly recommend it to anyone who gets off on pushing themselves to breaking point. It's hard to have an existential crisis when you're lying on the ground gasping for air with all your limbs shaking like jelly.
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I like to jog until I'm exhausted, and at the point I feel I can't run anymore pretend the cops are behind me and sprint as fast as I can for 20 steps or so. That's a real rush to feel that exhausted.

Keep at it Halif, your work and fortitude are a credit to you.
 
Thank you, Foots! You're a legend.

I like to jog until I'm exhausted, and at the point I feel I can't run anymore pretend the cops are behind me and sprint as fast as I can for 20 steps or so. That's a real rush to feel that exhausted.
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I've always sucked at running/jogging, so that sounds intense to me! I know what you're saying though... I've cycled my whole life (well, from 5 years old to 33) and I know all about that intense burst factor that leaves you unable to think for a valuable few seconds.

I'm back at the gym. I got a fitness evaluation which somehow surpassed what I was expecting: Expectations were low, but the results were way more fucked than I expected. I haven't touched any stims for around three to four months now, yet my sitting heart rate was so high the trainer said I had better go to my doctor sooner rather than later.

Also, I'm pushing the 100kg mark despite not having eaten much since I ditched the opiates (everything gives me a stomach ache). According to my trousers (ha!) I've lost a few kilos in the last six weeks, but my weight is just shy of a hundred fucking kilos... I used to weigh 70kg when thin, and 85kg at peak muscle density.

Hitting the piss again; hence, the update. Fact is I find it hard to do anything these days. This is only the second time I've drunk (or taken anything at all) since I kicked. I think about getting hammered every day. Most days I can put it off, but the thought comes in to my head about a dozen times a day.

I'm just wondering how much difference it makes overall... being sober from my DOC, I mean. I've done this before - taken time off. How long will it last though, I wonder... and ultimately what's the difference? If I'm going to substitute one thing for another, then how long till I go back to H/oxy/morphine/fent/etc?

PS. sorry for taking up so much of this thread with my shit.
 
Nah, that's what this thread is for, if I'm not mistaken.
It's an endless and tangled narrative; trying to beat addiction should have no word limit IMO.
 
Had a two week break from smoking meth, but scored today as I have a concert tomorrow night.

My dealer is trying to give up the game so did it as a one off.. Great news for me. I only go to him.

I tried really hard Aug 1st last year to quit, and today was the first time Ive used this month. Hoping this year I do better.. He we go again :)
 
The 4pts I got lasted me 4 days, which for me is unheard of as its usually gone in 2.

At 3am this morning after having the last of it, I took all my pipes and bits & pieces and smashed them, which was hard as Ive cared for them for so long!

Glad I had good shit this week, starting this journey again feeling content.
 
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Hey peoples,

Well Im aiming to start a taper tomorrow. Ive been on Codeine, mainly 600mg daily for a few months. Its not worth the hassle and I just want to put it all behind me. Ive got some clonedine, anyone had experience with this? Not sure when to take it or how much to take etc.

Ive been sober for a few years before, Ive been through all the shit (I hope), dealing with the past etc, and I just dont want to go back there. I am done.

Any suggestions for the taper? How long, how much etc ?
 
Unfortunately I can't comment about clonedine as a withdrawal aid - I'm sure someone else can chip in something useful.

Since you've only been on for a few months, if I were you I'd just go straight CT to be honest. Codeine's short half life means you should be right by day 5. I know I was out of physical WDs completely by day 6 - literally completely - after just over a year of 360-600mg dosing daily.

Go for lots of walks, if you can, sweat like hell, it gets the toxins out. Take lots of hot showers....have something to read, watch, do, etc. etc.

Do you have work/major responsibilities which are stopping you from going CT? It's not that bad man, trust me, you can tough it out.

If you need to taper, I'd recommend cutting your dose roughly in half, straight away. Instead of getting a 40 box, get a 24. Do that for like a week then taper down 45-60mg a day till you're off. Unfortunately it isn't an exact science, tapering that is, and what works for one might not work for another...again why I'd recommend getting it over with via CT considering the relatively short amount of time you've been using.
 
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Clonidine is good for countering restless leg syndrome.
If you do a good taper, this may be one of the few side effects you encounter.
Clonidine does quite well to cure it IME.
 
Hi guys, great thread here. I have been prescribed oxycodone and oxymorphone for severe chronic back pain for more than 8 months now. I feel as though I am becoming far too dependent on these opiates and it is beginning to affect my daily life. I told my doctor this today and he decided to put me on methadone with a 12 day taper schedule. I am absolutely ready to be done with opiates once and for all, so I will be following the taper schedule to the T with the help of my girlfriend. The taper schedule involves #42 5mg methadone pills tapered over 12 days.


  • My large concern is: I have read that methadone is worse than even heroin to withdraw from.


  • My question is: is 12 days long enough to develop a real dependence on methadone to the point that it will make w/d even worse? Any help is greatly appreciated, I hope that this is the appropriate place to post this question.
 
I have started my taper. I'm using a combo of nurofen + and panadeine extra, dosing small three times a day. So far after 2 days I haven't felt anything. Normally I do 600 a day and lately it's been twice a day. I've been taking about 100_130 per dose. All good so far
 
LordJohnEsquireIII:

You ask a question which has a difficult truth at its end... What I mean to say is that opiate withdrawal has only a couple of modes: bad and worse. Methadone lasts a lot longer than H or Oxy or really anything except opium/poppy material, and thus the withdrawal from that is more drawn out.

Bottom line is that it's going to be awful no matter what. I've personally come to prefer short and intense pain to drawn out agony, but I also recognise that people with a large habit cannot go cold turkey by choice - it's far too hard an option to voluntarily choose.

It really all comes down to the size of your opiate habit and what you think you can manage. Unfortunately, going through the experience is the best way to find out what the best course of action is for you personally. Having said that, I don't recommend repeated on/off cycles with opiates. It only gets harder and harder to get clean.

Source: I am a couple of months out from a fairly substantial opiate dependency. Now I'm drunk.

Bye!
 
JohnJohnsonthe3rd said:
Hi guys, great thread here. I have been prescribed oxycodone and oxymorphone for severe chronic back pain for more than 8 months now. I feel as though I am becoming far too dependent on these opiates and it is beginning to affect my daily life. I told my doctor this today and he decided to put me on methadone with a 12 day taper schedule. I am absolutely ready to be done with opiates once and for all, so I will be following the taper schedule to the T with the help of my girlfriend. The taper schedule involves #42 5mg methadone pills tapered over 12 days.


  • My large concern is: I have read that methadone is worse than even heroin to withdraw from.


  • My question is: is 12 days long enough to develop a real dependence on methadone to the point that it will make w/d even worse? Any help is greatly appreciated, I hope that this is the appropriate place to post this question.
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Hey John,

Good on you for making the tough decision. Sounds like it's the right one.

The main thing would be getting the dose of methadone correct. You want to take as little as possible - if you take too much you'll know because you'll feel tired/smacked out- which could make the withdrawal worse. You should be able to get away with taking it every second day if the dose is too high.

Since you haven't been on methadone long term it shouldn't be too bad. It's far worse for people on it for years, and that's probably what you've heard is much harder. It won't be easy...if you find it's too difficult just slow it down (taking the minimum amount that'll keep it manageable and tapering over a longer period of time.

The main thing you want to avoid is staying on methadone too long at too high a dose. Hope that helps a bit.
 
I need some help with my h detox. I've been using around .5g a day for maybe 4-5 months. I made 5 days, cold turkey, with nothing, before getting horrible food poisoning whilst away in the country (to get away from shit). The vomiting and torture reminded me of those initial 72 hours so I took codeine as a desperate measure, because I was ready to fucking off myself. Did nothing, but I scored a couple points back when I returned to Melb because I am so. fucking. over feeling like absolute dogshit. This idea of a fucking 3-4 day detox is fucking bullshit. I feel like that score has put me back to square one. I have taken this week off work to try and get through this but I am really, really struggling. I want to make this stick because I don't want to go back on maintenance. I would really appreciate any help, any advice, anything, to help me get through the next five days. I feel like I'm on the precipice between long term fucking methadone or beating this shit, and I want to get off it. I'm just really struggling. I've been using dxm, lope, valium - it doesn't make much difference. Even in the heart of my methamphetamine days 25mg of seroquel would knock me out but I've taken 100mg only to lie there experiencing every fucking minute of this shit with no sleep...
 
That sucks Footscrazy :( what about going back to your sub doctor and doing a short term taper?
 
Need some advice about tapering off subs. Currently on 16/4 daily. I've read that reducing by 25% every 4 days is the way to go. Any advice for me? I want to get off sub so I can use opiates to relieve chronic back pain. And because it just makes me feel pretty awesome!
 
wittemv said:
Need some advice about tapering off subs. Currently on 16/4 daily. I've read that reducing by 25% every 4 days is the way to go. Any advice for me? I want to get off sub so I can use opiates to relieve chronic back pain. And because it just makes me feel pretty awesome!
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I'm currently reducing by 1/2mg per week and I'm finding that works pretty well. I tried 2mg a week and that was rather uncomfortable, so I decided to just go slow and steady.

Although coming off your subs just so you can go back to getting high sounds like a silly idea. You might as well stay on the subs and just take breaks when you get on so you can go back to your subs when you run out of the fun stuff.
 
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