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Quitting/Tapering Thread.

Yes I did understand what you were saying, I think I just have a strange way of letting you know haha...
 
Okay...

So it has been about a week since I have been high on percocet.

My boyfriend went the sub way and stopped taking percocet all the way around.

I have been taking low doses of percocet... like 2.5mg to sleep and a 5mg to get me through the day.

Even though we took different routes, we are both craving baaaaad.

&he is downplaying my progress saying i don't know what its like to go without. (we take 30-45mg a day for about a year) so me taking 2.5 mg is progress & i still get same cravings.

i opted out of sub as it makes me very sick.

today he left, said he wanted to be left alone. just a bit lost...
 
he is downplaying my progress saying i don't know what its like to go without.
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But he's taking suboxone, right? That's hardly going without.

Not that I know you or him, but don't take it personally if he wants to be alone. He probably feels moody and doesn't want to take it out on you so he's removing himself from social contact. That's what I'd do and have done many times in the past, so I'm just making an assumption.

2.5 to 7mg a day down from 45mg is massive progress. You know the last part of an opiate detox, those last few milligrams, can be the hardest of all. But damn, you're so close to being off it! At that amount it's mostly a psychological thing, do you think?

Anyway, good luck to both you and your dude.
 
weliveinawheel said:
I have been taking low doses of percocet... like 2.5mg to sleep and a 5mg to get me through the day.
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really good effort, keep the work up. the taper system is a slow race that you should not be trying to win. If anything if your feeling too sick then maybe move back to a slightly higher dose till you find your cravings significantly reduced and then work yourself back from there. The thing with tapers is discipline and if you've managed to get to 7.5mg then clearly you've got the motivation and will power. Just don't go to hard. who are you trying to impress? Is there a ticking bomb? Will the world blow up if you take a bit more time to taper?

weliveinawheel said:
i opted out of sub as it makes me very sick.
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yep and this is the biggest fundamental flaw with NSW Opioid Treatment Program and that is dosing. The doses that you have to go onto and have to eat every day are ridicilious and make people go absolutely nutty. Seriously if i went on the program and had in one hit even 2mg or probably 4-8mg i'd be so high i'd lose my job.

After induction its fairly straight forward to taper on bupe. i'm currently on 1mg to 0.5mg a day after starting from 16mg. (went to 4mg the next day after first 24 hours)

weliveinawheel said:
today he left, said he wanted to be left alone. just a bit lost...
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don't take it personally. its probably a good thing, for you and him if your drug buddies and all

Halif said:
there's nothing like actual motivation to completely change the whole chemistry of the brain and make everything different. It's none of my damn business but the sudden gravity of your words sounds like someone who just found out they're having a baby... hahahah!!
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well even if there was such motivation one would be barred from saying anything for at least 12 weeks ;);)

but whatever it is it is motivating.
 
If i am on day 6 of withdrawal from codeine and i Slip up and take 60mg of codeine have i set myself Back or should i keep going? It Was a silly mistake and i want to keep going. Just a Moment of weakness. Will it take me Back to square one? X
 
No way have you set yourself back to zero!! One minor "slip up" doesn't undo all your hardwork. Thinking that you've screwed up and talking yourself into beliving that there's no hope so you might as well just go back to daily use is one of those tricks your brain likes to play with.

Think about it carefully.. do you really want to give up?
 
Quitting opiates (pst and cwe) tomorrow CT. Main reasons are I'm broke and they well and truley aren't fun anymore. No more glow, no more magic, just a slight warmth and sedated feeling.

I want the days back when I was content with my buds and the odd trip/munt. So much healthier in so many ways.

Im keeping my mind focused on 7 days from now. I know by then the physical discomfort will well and truley be over and I'll have to deal with piecing my life together again. Luckily its not completely broken, and I feel like its time...all though maybe that's just the change in the weather.

Wish me luck.
 
Good luck Mr Shroom!

Have you CT'd before? How long you been using? High doses (for you)?

Just asking out of curiosity, doesn't make much difference. Might as well just set that counter in your head. you say seven days? What ever you feel is the time it's gonna take for the acute stage.

Going out on a limb, I'd say by day 5 it'll be time to force yourself to start moving around and doing any exercise that you can do. That can make the difference between drawing it out longer and just breaking straight on through the wall.

But it's your journey and I wish you luck. Keep us updated. It's not gonna be fun, but so what? You haven't been having fun anyway for a while, right? That's a good indicator right there that it's time to kick that shit to the curb - or at least do your best at it.

Feel free to ask me anything at all about the process or simply voice your feelings on it, either here or via PM. I know the territory all too well and am happy to lend an ear which is neither judgemental, or sympathetic, or anything other than an ear, really.
 
Thanks Halif :)

I ct'd last year in late September. I happened to get a fever at the same time so it compounded. I was clean 10 days then some Oxy came around which is rare for me, and I lapsed. I dose erratically. My last dose yesterday was 600mg, but is normally between 300-400mg, sometimes around 250mg, 240g PST, 400g PST...etc. etc. No real routine or map-able pattern. Depends on what I have/want to do that day.

Normally the acute is more like 3-4 days max, true. I say 7 because all though the majority of the physical stage is over, I still struggle sleeping, which to me is one of the most debilitating parts. I'm definitely going to get out and take some decent walks (I like walking anyway so the fresh air will be good.)

I got stocked up on some aids. Doxcylamine, loperamide, panadol, etc.

Shouldn't be to bad! I'm looking forward to it in a way.

I appreciate the support mate. I'll probably be back here to give a little update in 2 or 3 days.

Am I the only one who gets wild mood swings when quitting? Don't most people just get miserable and that's it? I go from despondent and hopeless to optimistic and even euphoric, then back again. I'm much more sensitive to music, and get teary and emotional randomly.
 
No, wild mood swings are common I believe. I get crazy angry, optimistic, horny as hell, aggressive, and a range of other things. Unfortunately, the main thing I experience is unbearable and seemingly never-ending restlessness and despair.

Exercise is key in kick-starting your nervous system and metabolism and thus bringing back a natural cycle of eating and sleeping faster. You simply can't do it in the first few days, and the trick is in knowing when you've hit the moment where lying around feeling drained (mentally and physically) can be overridden by forcing yourself to get up and moving.

Do what works for you. Sleep is very important. The only thing I'd personally suggest thinking twice about is the loperamide. For some people that stuff works too well, and actually is very insidious. it has an epic duration of action and it can be surprisingly rough on the way out, so if it's possible to not use it then I'd suggest leaving it out.

It can also block you up at a time when crapping yourself silly is a critical part of detoxing, literally.

Good luck and keep us updated!
 
Yeah I can relate to the restlessness and despair for sure. And the random bouts of extreme horniness are a strange phenomenon as well. It's normally 4-5 days before I know I can get out and go for a walk.

What do you mean by insidious exactly? I'm not taking enough to come close the supposed "recreational effects." I just took 20mg now. Using it for 3-4 days max shouldn't be a problem right? At such a dose I don't think the runs will be completely plugged up.
 
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I'm probably not the best benchmark to use when talking about loperamide because I seem to be extremely sensitive to it. I really don't understand how or why, but I get immense relief from withdrawals from very low doses of loperamide. The strangest part is that I also get relief from the rebound depression associated with opiate withdrawals. I really don't know how to explain it.

I said "insidious" because in my experience it took away a substantial portion of both the mental and physical aspect of severe opiate withdrawals and worked for a ridiculously long time, but then I'd feel intense rebound effects from the loperamide itself. Again, I really can't explain this. I just seem to be very, very sensitive to its effects. I don't get any high out of it, but it is absurdly effective in reliving WD symptoms for me - and absurdly productive in producing withdrawal symptoms too. I have to be very careful in warning people about using it or not using it, because from what I've read my subjective experience is highly unusual.

I seem to require only a fraction of the amount that other people need to get relief from opiate withdrawals, yet I have a fairly high tolerance and strong dependence to opiates. The "your mileage may vary" expression is apt in this case. I guess a few days of loperamide use would be fine, but I can't say anything for sure.
 
I suppose i'm one of the sensitive types as well. The 20mg yesterday almost completely stopped any WD symptoms. I literally...feel completely fine. Slept like a baby, woke up at 4-ish thinking "here we go, it begins..." but then dozed back off for a couple of hours. I've read of people having wd's from lope as well but I'd guess that's from extended use. I'll see what happens in a couple days time (if I have rebound effects from the lope.) Otherwise i'm feelin quite peachy.
 
Well, that's a good thing, right?! Feeling peachy at this point, I mean. Just be aware that lope has a very long half-life and if possible try not to take anymore. Unfortunately, it's hard to guage how you should be feeling any given point during WDs, but it's safe to say that 'feeling fine' is not really a normal descriptor.

I guess what I meant when I said lope was insidious is that it can be very effective at reducing or removing withdrawal symptoms without making you feel high or like you've taken an opiate. It's a great normaliser. That's why it can be hard to know where you're at exactly in your withdrawal journey. I guess the safest option is to take as little as possible - keep in mind that lope works on some level for two or three days - and remember that feeling shitty is an inevitable part of WDs, so resist the temptation to make it entirely pain free because it may well be that the lope is propping you up more than you realise, and upon stopping the lope the WDs appear to return at full intensity.

Not saying that guaranteed to happen. Depends on the person. The first four days or so are probably the worst of the acute part. So if you can get through that with lope as a crutch, and then accept whatever remains after wards, you can at least tell yourself that "hey, I feel pretty shit but I'm five days in to this detox! That's a good fucking step in and really soon I'll be able to start doing the work to make myself better without any crutches"... or something like that.

Keep up the good work, peachy!!
 
Fucken oath it is! Just took another 20mg (24hrs after last dose.) I read its a 14hr half life tops. I'm ready to cut out the lope after day 4. Should be fine. I know what you mean in a sense, that WD should be somewhat uncomfortable - let me make it clear that i'm not bounding with energy and happiness but i'm much better off than having no lope at all.

I'm truckin' on!
 
Keep truckin' dude!

Just make sure you leave the lope after that second dose. I don't think 14 hours is lope's half-life.. but again I don't know. There is something strange about loperamide. Different brands appear to effect me differently. And I swear that lope lingers for a long long time.

But that's not important: If you can use it once or twice and it helps. Well, that's all that matters. Don't keep taking it, however.
 
29 Days Sober

I remember posting here asking about rehab, and some dipstick said I didn't have it in me to make it.

Well, guess what you ol' pork-hat, I'm 29 days clean. :p No alcohol, no valium, no weed, no opiates, no nothing. Just some valerian, vitamins and ibuprofen. Oh yeah, and I got a sponsor and I'm working the steps. I just got my one month chip yesterday. And I couldn't feel better.

I imagine some of you people probably remember me as Nozphexezora. I don't expect to post here so often, since the forum is obviously directed towards drug use and harm minimisation than getting clean. And I don't think that's a bad thing. But I just wanted to say it is possible. Some of the older members (I don't know if they still browse) like Mr Blonde or opi8 or footscrazy might just remember my constant depression and desperation to get clean ever since I step foot in addiction. If a bum like me can do it, you can too.

Oh yeah, and Happy Easter.

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