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Quitting/Tapering Thread.

Captain Brewster said:
^ pst is no joke mate.

It's VERY addictive. I would treat the addiction as any other opiate/opiod being pharmaceutical or straight from the poppy itself.
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I mean, it's certainly different from any other pharma pain killers, mainly onset and duration.

This will effect withdrawals.

But in terms of being fully dependent on that, compared to the prescribed stuff, your climbing out of the same type of cave to over come dependency.
 
To what you were saying on the other page Halif,

I reckon there's some truth to what you're saying. I found lope kind of put off the WD rather than "solved" the physical issues entirely…it's really quite hard to say as I had the flu at the same time (my immune resistance dives when wd'n.)

I'm glad to say i'm over the physical wd's now but at the time i couldn't make any good judgements as to its effectiveness or otherwise as it was a bit of a messy detox.
 
I have a question I hope someone will please answer. I have been using poppy seed tea for a couple of years now. I am ready to quit and I'm trying to taper down. does anyone know if I was to get one suboxone strip and cut it into fours or maybe less will that helped me through the worst of the withdrawals
 
Waffleiron said:
I have a question I hope someone will please answer. I have been using poppy seed tea for a couple of years now. I am ready to quit and I'm trying to taper down. does anyone know if I was to get one suboxone strip and cut it into fours or maybe less will that helped me through the worst of the withdrawals
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Hrm not really sure. What dose is the strip?

What do they normally do for inpatient rehab? Do they put the person on bupe and then do a quick taper? Remember hearing something like that.

If I were you I might cut it into 8ths and then use it when/if the WD becomes unbearable. Maybe as a kind of buffer.

I've stopped my poppy seed tea and heroin habit and got on 2mg Suboxone a day. Felt like it might not be enough at first but seem to have adjusted ok. Not feeling great though...just very flat. Not what I remember bupe like when I got on it years ago (it gave me some energy and relief) It's only been about a week, anyone know if it could just be adjusting? Had to put some real effort into getting the doctor to prescribe such a low dose...he was adamant of getting me on 8mg at least. Forgot what it was like having zero take aways and having to go to the chemist everyday....such a drag. Not planning on being on it for long though. Just thinking that bupe by itself might be smoother to come off than heroin/pst.
 
Waffleiron said:
I have a question I hope someone will please answer. I have been using poppy seed tea for a couple of years now. I am ready to quit and I'm trying to taper down. does anyone know if I was to get one suboxone strip and cut it into fours or maybe less will that helped me through the worst of the withdrawals
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Hey, yeah like Christ asked, what dose strip do you have? They come in 2mg or 8mg. I second what Christ said about cutting it into 8ths or even less if you can manage. See what the lowest possible dose you can get by on is - it'll often be a lot lower than you might expect. Plus the lower the dose you get on the less wd's from bupe you need to worry about. Remember as well to leave enough time between your last pst dose and taking any sub, because taking it too soon will give you precipitated withdrawals. Wait until you're feeling sick to dose the sub .

Christ! said:
It's only been about a week, anyone know if it could just be adjusting? Had to put some real effort into getting the doctor to prescribe such a low dose...he was adamant of getting me on 8mg at least. Forgot what it was like having zero take aways and having to go to the chemist everyday....such a drag. Not planning on being on it for long though. Just thinking that bupe by itself might be smoother to come off than heroin/pst.
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I always found bupe took awhile to adjust to, and also, the more times I switched back to it the longer it seemed to take to adjust to it and the less effective it seemed to be. I'd usually spend at least the first couple of days on bupe feeling pretty raw and uncomfortable. I just hate bupe in general though.

It is crazy how high doctors want to dose people though. I was originally put on 12mg or something silly, I can't remember. I liked it because I'd just stash most of it away and take a mg or two. Harder if you have to dose in front of the chemist though.

Personally I found coming off bupe/pst a horror. I was not prepared for how bad it was. It's hard to know if one of those in particular made it worse, but I would never go back on bupe now. The times I've kicked smack over the past few months have felt so much easier in comparison just because the wd is so short. Though it's not really a fair comparison because I've only been hitting the gear regularly for a few months whereas I was coming off a solid few years of every day pst when I kicked that. People have such vastly different experiences though, some people seem to find bupe tapers really effective. I wish I did!
 
footscrazy said:
Personally I found coming off bupe/pst a horror. I was not prepared for how bad it was. It's hard to know if one of those in particular made it worse, but I would never go back on bupe now. The times I've kicked smack over the past few months have felt so much easier in comparison just because the wd is so short. Though it's not really a fair comparison because I've only been hitting the gear regularly for a few months whereas I was coming off a solid few years of every day pst when I kicked that. People have such vastly different experiences though, some people seem to find bupe tapers really effective. I wish I did!
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Cheers for the input foots. How long were you on bupe for? and did you come straight off 2mg? Will try and get some strips so I can snip them into tiny pieces...it's a shame they're so strict about subutex these days, was nice being able to use the 0.4mg tablets to get down really low before jumping off.

Only been using seeds regularly since start of this year so should be a bit less painful for me (hope)
 
I was on bupe for...1.5 years about? Never very regularly though, the longest stretch I was on it exclusively was probably 2-3 weeks. I pretty much just used it as a buffer for times it was more convenient or whatever. I've tapered it down really low, having the tablets I found that much easier because you can crush and snort a very small amount. I did find snorting better because it made using tiny amounts feasible (like, .1-.5mg), also, my mouth started getting allergic to the strips/pills so I couldn't hold them under my tongue.

When I kicked at the start of the year I was coming off mainly pst use so I didn't jump straight off bupe. I switched to codeine to taper with but it didn't really seem to help, it felt like it just dragged shit on.

I definitely think that using regularly for a shorter amount of time is a blessing. Also I'd probably suggest staying on the bupe for as small an amount of time as you can just because they are so long lasting. Hope it goes well though. I have come to the conclusion for myself that when kicing I'd rather just face it than draw it out with a taper, but different strokes and that.
 
Waffleiron said:
I have a question I hope someone will please answer. I have been using poppy seed tea for a couple of years now. I am ready to quit and I'm trying to taper down. does anyone know if I was to get one suboxone strip and cut it into fours or maybe less will that helped me through the worst of the withdrawals
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What Christ and Foots said.

8mg sub will help immensely - just start as low as you can an keep decreasing.
I'd try to cut the strip into 16ths, personally.
Ideally, you want to jump off from 0.5 mg or less.
The lower you can get the taper down to, the less WDs you will encounter
 
i kicked subs 3 weeks ago today. i was on them for like a year, after a year long roughly 4 to 5 30mg oxycodone per day habit. i tried to stop a few times and just the beginning of WDs were unbearable especially while workin 10 hr days then going to school 4 hrs after just not wanting to move. this last time i said i am fucking done. i had minor withdrawals mentally, physically, the aches were cured by tylenol and hot baths, the stomach pains nausea and constant i wanna gag feeling lasted like 4 days so i got checked out it ended up being an ulcer????related? idk. and the RLS was for like 2 nights, only one was bad but my medication for nightmares puts me out luckilly. this time it was all very bearable id probably pick it over poison ivy if i had to. I honestly believe i was able to do it with such ease because i am in very good shape physically because i work constuction and was in the military until 2012. i forced myself to keep moving during the WDs. the whole ordeal was 5 slightly anxious days. stay busy people, oh also i took some adderall in the mornings to get me going and vitamins throughout. the ulcer caused me to throw up and shit out blood and i lost 12 lbs
 
Well I've cut my opiate use back significantly. Twice a week. This morning I had 200mg of codeine, 5mg of diaz and 25mg of doxy when I woke up and I was basically nodding.

I've cut my physical dependence. Mentally I guess I'm still hooked. I'm fighting like a soldier and not backing down to the cravings. It's just not worth daily use. I'm much happier this way. Good luck to all trying to moderate their use...it is possible.

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well I think after 30+ years i'm gonna quit pot. it hasn't really been the same ever since i gave up mixing it with tobacco. I guess i was more into the nicotine than the thc...

looking forward to somewhat clearer thinking and getting out of bed easier in the mornings. hell, i might even lose some weight without those attacks of the munchies. oh, and dreams, i'm really looking forward to dreaming again... in every sense of the word.
 
CrayZ said:
looking forward to somewhat clearer thinking and getting out of bed easier in the mornings. hell, i might even lose some weight without those attacks of the munchies. oh, and dreams, i'm really looking forward to dreaming again... in every sense of the word.
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Quitting weed after smoking habitually is an experience all by itself :) Definitely unpleasant at first but when the fog lifts it's pretty amazing. Dreaming is something I never realized how much I missed until I quit.
 
Depends what one defines as "moderate," I suppose.

I'm quite lenient with the definition - I just have some exclusions - namely returning to daily opiate use.

Look, if I were using stronger opiates than I am, there's no way I'd be able to control myself.
 
infectedmushroom said:
Depends what one defines as "moderate," I suppose.

I'm quite lenient with the definition - I just have some exclusions - namely returning to daily opiate use.

Look, if I were using stronger opiates than I am, there's no way I'd be able to control myself.
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I wasent trying to rain on your parade or anything.

Honestly hope it works for you.
 
Thats ok Brewster, I'm just trying to maintain a steely resolve.

Footsy, it's probably realistically te money issue but on an emotional level I found habituation so isolating and lonely.

Getting stoned daily wasn't taking away pain, just increasing it as my bank account was empty and no one was calling my phone (because I'd rather be alone when high.)
 
psytaco said:
^ poppy seed tea.

Just of out of interest, for the heroin users here who/were are doing like a gram plus a day, how do you manage to finance a habit like that? I'm not that cluely with smack prices, but I have an idea that it would be a significant amount of money and more than most people earn a day.

Mr Ibis: I get what you mean, and I think for some people, or some types of drugs that tapering is necessary. benzos in particular, it is completely necessary to taper due to the risk of seizure if you stop cold turkey. Alcohol, for the same reason, also needs benzos to be substituted with it.
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Most don't and do stupid shit and end up in jail or enforced rehab.
 
Managed 14 weeks without but now using meth again. I caved the second I had the chance to.. And Im back to financially fucking us up big time.

Im so disappointed in myself.

Neurofeedback treatment I was having was enjoyable but didnt help. Cost a fair bit too and I was still using at the time!

Really starting to feel that I am letting life pass me by. Always too broke to do anything and its all totally my fault.

I cant believe that I am blessed with a great job, beautiful home and family and I still cant seize a drug free life.

To new or casual users, please dont think that because you use occasionally or dont 'have' to use every day this drug wont fuck you up. I can binge on 3 or 4 points in a day or so, not use for a few days.. A week whatever. But then back to it I go. I have known in my head/heart I have wanted and needed to quit for nearly 6 years now.

And Im still bloody trying.
 
I quitted drug for few years and have no psychological dependence on any drug. Even although I am keeping meth at home, I don't have intention to take any of it.
 
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