Quitting Kratom&Kava Shots help

[12yearsamess]

I’ve been taking the brand Jubi “relax” shots for about a year. Roughly 2 a day for severe anxiety. I’m also mildly autistic and they help with occasional meltdowns. I am currently not working and I can’t have my husband pay $500 a month for this habit. I’ve tried almost everything under the sun and never became dependent. I’ve been on and off benzos for 15 years and have tapered off of high doses within 2 weeks. The label says in 1 shots there is 100mg of kratom extract (mitragynine) and 350mg of kava (kavalactones.) I don’t know if this is a very high amount or not. I want to taper off so badly but I cannot experience more anxiety than I am already feeling. I’m ready to stop, though. Can anyone educate me a little or give advice on how to get off these?
I also have a high tolerance to benzos and opiates most likely due to high doses of cancer treatment (chemo and prednisone) years ago. Like I take a 20mg oxy maybe every 2 months but will barely feel it without Tagamet and that was BEFORE the kratom. Anything helps!!! Thank you!

 

[Dr. Morphine]

I’ve been taking the brand Jubi “relax” shots for about a year. Roughly 2 a day for severe anxiety. I’m also mildly autistic and they help with occasional meltdowns. I am currently not working and I can’t have my husband pay $500 a month for this habit. I’ve tried almost everything under the sun and never became dependent. I’ve been on and off benzos for 15 years and have tapered off of high doses within 2 weeks. The label says in 1 shots there is 100mg of kratom extract (mitragynine) and 350mg of kava (kavalactones.) I don’t know if this is a very high amount or not. I want to taper off so badly but I cannot experience more anxiety than I am already feeling. I’m ready to stop, though. Can anyone educate me a little or give advice on how to get off these?
I also have a high tolerance to benzos and opiates most likely due to high doses of cancer treatment (chemo and prednisone) years ago. Like I take a 20mg oxy maybe every 2 months but will barely feel it without Tagamet and that was BEFORE the kratom. Anything helps!!! Thank you!

It's called cold turkey, and routine. Vigorous exercise helps if you got the time. Try walking like 9 miles. I guarantee you won't be thinking of dope when you get finished. Then wake up and do it again.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I’ve been taking the brand Jubi “relax” shots for about a year. Roughly 2 a day for severe anxiety. I’m also mildly autistic and they help with occasional meltdowns. I am currently not working and I can’t have my husband pay $500 a month for this habit. I’ve tried almost everything under the sun and never became dependent. I’ve been on and off benzos for 15 years and have tapered off of high doses within 2 weeks. The label says in 1 shots there is 100mg of kratom extract (mitragynine) and 350mg of kava (kavalactones.) I don’t know if this is a very high amount or not. I want to taper off so badly but I cannot experience more anxiety than I am already feeling. I’m ready to stop, though. Can anyone educate me a little or give advice on how to get off these?
I also have a high tolerance to benzos and opiates most likely due to high doses of cancer treatment (chemo and prednisone) years ago. Like I take a 20mg oxy maybe every 2 months but will barely feel it without Tagamet and that was BEFORE the kratom. Anything helps!!! Thank you!

You're at such a small dose it's almost laughable, not downplaying how you feel but I think your autism is causing you to freak out about nothing. You'll be good you might be irritable and have sleep issues for a few nights but at that amount unless it's cut with synthetic shit you'll be all good and it helps that you don't work

 

[SotPoker1012]

Cold turkey is probably your best bet given the low dose. You're gonna feel like shit for a couple of days but ultimately it's not gonna be some long, protracted withdrawal. The light at the end of your tunnel is in sight from day 1.

However, if you truly find it impossible to go CT, get a bag of kratom powder and kava separately. To my knowledge, kava doesn't cause physical withdrawal so you're probably good to keep using it for the moment. Use the powder to taper, make sure you don't increase your dose from what you're already getting via the shots. Try to cut your dose every couple of days given you've been on a small dose. The kava will help with the anxiety and low mood.

From there, try to go CT without the kava. I don't think you'll have withdrawals, but if they begin, do the same as with kratom and taper it over a week or two.

I would really caution you to be careful with my above advice, though. Given your low dose, it will be very easy for you to end up using more if you have access to powder, so it's going to take a lot of discipline.

If you see a therapist or anything, talk to them about it. I dislike the mental health system but they might be able to give you guidance.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Cold turkey is probably your best bet given the low dose. You're gonna feel like shit for a couple of days but ultimately it's not gonna be some long, protracted withdrawal. The light at the end of your tunnel is in sight from day 1.

However, if you truly find it impossible to go CT, get a bag of kratom powder and kava separately. To my knowledge, kava doesn't cause physical withdrawal so you're probably good to keep using it for the moment. Use the powder to taper, make sure you don't increase your dose from what you're already getting via the shots. Try to cut your dose every couple of days given you've been on a small dose. The kava will help with the anxiety and low mood.

From there, try to go CT without the kava. I don't think you'll have withdrawals, but if they begin, do the same as with kratom and taper it over a week or two.

I would really caution you to be careful with my above advice, though. Given your low dose, it will be very easy for you to end up using more if you have access to powder, so it's going to take a lot of discipline.

If you see a therapist or anything, talk to them about it. I dislike the mental health system but they might be able to give you guidance.

At that low of a dose a taper is just gonna prolong it and OP has autism so the sooner they're outta shits creek the better. I do like the kava suggestion though honestly just go to the store get generic immodium if you're gonna go the "taper" route and pop like 12mgs wait a few hours see how you feel and if you need more take another 2-4mg every hour until you're comfortable. Immodium had a super long half life and the induction dose will take 24-48 hours to really start working right so be patient and don't go nuts popping em left and right bc lope has withdrawal of its own and it's nasty from what I hear but if you're smart you got nothing to worry about. CT is gonna be easiest though imo, you don't have to work so just chill out put on some TV and veg out for a few days and smoke some weed if you got any

 

[12yearsamess]

It's called cold turkey, and routine. Vigorous exercise helps if you got the time. Try walking like 9 miles. I guarantee you won't be thinking of dope when you get finished. Then wake up and do it again.

Dude, I said nothing about dope. I’m very mildly autistic with severe adhd and severe anxiety plus C-PTSD. Don’t you think if I could hop out of bed and walk 9 miles I would? I also used to be anorexic so F*CK YEAH I would. Sticking to routine is something I crave but my brain wiring literally has immense difficulty with. Why am I even justifying myself to you? You did not answer any of my questions nor did you provide any information or sound advice. I’m clearly trying to better my life. However, you troll the internet typing your hurtful little sentences to people in vulnerable situations trying to feel like you’re better than others. Get off my thread.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Dude, I said nothing about dope. I’m very mildly autistic with severe adhd and severe anxiety plus C-PTSD. Don’t you think if I could hop out of bed and walk 9 miles I would? I also used to be anorexic so F*CK YEAH I would. Sticking to routine is something I crave but my brain wiring literally has immense difficulty with. Why am I even justifying myself to you? You did not answer any of my questions nor did you provide any information or sound advice. I’m clearly trying to better my life. However, you troll the internet typing your hurtful little sentences to people in vulnerable situations trying to feel like you’re better than others. Get off my thread.

I'm sorry but I have a feeling this condescending victim mentality is what got you here and being a cunt won't net you any help. I'm sorry but you seem the type who self diagnoses and then wants the whole world to take pity on you for attention or something but anyway that's aside the point, everything Dr morph said is true and the only thing stopping you from getting clean and exercising is YOURSELF. I wish you luck and hope you come to some senses.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Dude, I said nothing about dope. I’m very mildly autistic with severe adhd and severe anxiety plus C-PTSD. Don’t you think if I could hop out of bed and walk 9 miles I would? I also used to be anorexic so F*CK YEAH I would. Sticking to routine is something I crave but my brain wiring literally has immense difficulty with. Why am I even justifying myself to you? You did not answer any of my questions nor did you provide any information or sound advice. I’m clearly trying to better my life. However, you troll the internet typing your hurtful little sentences to people in vulnerable situations trying to feel like you’re better than others. Get off my thread.

Funny how I offered you very sound advice before Dr morph that you completely ignored but the second you saw an opportunity to throw a pity party you jump right on that and start attacking a man bc you didn't like his also sound advice. You got yourself where you are and its time you accept the consequences of your actions. Mods if I am being too hard feel free to delete my posts but I feel I'm right on the money and OP could benefit from hearing this but I imagine they're going to just get mad, start deflecting, attacking and going further down the rabbit hole of excuses.

 

[12yearsamess]

Funny how I offered you very sound advice before Dr morph that you completely ignored but the second you saw an opportunity to throw a pity party you jump right on that and start attacking a man bc you didn't like his also sound advice. You got yourself where you are and its time you accept the consequences of your actions. Mods if I am being too hard feel free to delete my posts but I feel I'm right on the money and OP could benefit from hearing this but I imagine they're going to just get mad, start deflecting, attacking and going further down the rabbit hole of excuses.

Trust me, I was getting to thanking you and the SotPoker for your advice and info before needing to hop in the car! It’s still appreciated! All I saw from Dr Morph was “go cold turkey and walk 9 miles.” I don’t see how that’s very helpful especially compared to you and the other poster on here. Thank you for your original words- I apologize if you felt overlooked.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Trust me, I was getting to thanking you and the SotPoker for your advice and info before needing to hop in the car! It’s still appreciated! All I saw from Dr Morph was “go cold turkey and walk 9 miles.” I don’t see how that’s very helpful especially compared to you and the other poster on here. Thank you for your original words- I apologize if you felt overlooked.

It wasn't about me feeling overlooked it's more so you don't want to accept the hell you've taken yourself into and no matter what you do it's going to be hell and you're making it worse on yourself. It's gonna suck and the best you can do is embrace the suck, do what little you can to make it suck less and deal with it. There's no magic bullet that can fix all of this without causing issues later down the road. It's going to be hard and despite whatever issues you may have you just have to deal with it. We want the best for you but Dr morph was pretty on the money. Diet and exercise to the best of your ability is the best shot you got at feeling normal faster. You may not be able to run 9 miles which he was over exaggerating but you can get up and go for a nice long walk in nature, at least a few miles and gradually work your way up.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

You can't give yourself any excuses no matter how valid they may be in this life if you want to be better. You need to push that shit aside and focus on this one thing first and then you can begin to grab hold again and pursue fixing some of the other issues as they come. It's easy to get overwhelmed I get that but having a helpless attitude again no matter how valid it may be will not get you anywhere besides deeper down in that dark hole. You're gonna hear a lot of tough love but for most addicts that's what we need weather we realize it or not. You choose a very hard path to go down and it's gonna be much harder to walk back up that path to recovery. You can do it so stop telling yourself you can't

Dude, I said nothing about dope. I’m very mildly autistic with severe adhd and severe anxiety plus C-PTSD. Don’t you think if I could hop out of bed and walk 9 miles I would? I also used to be anorexic so F*CK YEAH I would. Sticking to routine is something I crave but my brain wiring literally has immense difficulty with. Why am I even justifying myself to you? You did not answer any of my questions nor did you provide any information or sound advice. I’m clearly trying to better my life. However, you troll the internet typing your hurtful little sentences to people in vulnerable situations trying to feel like you’re better than others. Get off my thread

 

[12yearsamess]

Maybe I worded what I was truly looking for incorrectly and that is information. I know there is a big difference between extracts and powder. My mother died over 10 years ago as a result of alcoholism and 8 months later- a year after finally ending my first (and very abusive) 3 1/2 relationship- the guy died to a heroin OD. I’ve had to cut off friendships due to the other person’s addiction because I get too involved and ignore my own needs. I had a 10 year on and off eating disorder which is absolutely an addiction.
I know addiction and while I don’t really partake in anything else out of preference, my husband and I both agree that without these shots in certain times of the past 12+ months I would probably be dead. I’ve found that a mix of tough love and compassion/grace and support are what’s needed in situations like these. So here is what I am in the most need of: information; the answer to a question(s.)
MAINLY:
Is 200mg of mitragynine and 350mg of kavalactones extracts in a liquid 2oz shot form twice a day a lot? The brand name is Jubi and it is their “pina colada relax shot” What is the liquid Kratom in the shot equal to in powdered Kratom? This is what I need to know if possible.
I am brand new to blue light as a poster but am familiar to it for looking up harm reduction or out of simple curiosity in the past as I was a cancer patient years ago at age 17 and was curious about some of the meds they had me on. I am only asking for non-judgemental informative replies and if one would like, to reply with supportive (yet NOT sugarcoated) advice if the person has been through this before/has extensive knowledge on this very specific situation and to include why it pertains to said situation.
Thank you.

 

[Dr. Morphine]

Dude, I said nothing about dope. I’m very mildly autistic with severe adhd and severe anxiety plus C-PTSD. Don’t you think if I could hop out of bed and walk 9 miles I would? I also used to be anorexic so F*CK YEAH I would. Sticking to routine is something I crave but my brain wiring literally has immense difficulty with. Why am I even justifying myself to you? You did not answer any of my questions nor did you provide any information or sound advice. I’m clearly trying to better my life. However, you troll the internet typing your hurtful little sentences to people in vulnerable situations trying to feel like you’re better than others. Get off my thread.

Well if you can't get out of bed then I suppose you'll simply rot away in bed. If you don't have choices then the situation is what it is. Good luck

 

[GooberDoober]

Thats a very low dose, why not go online and buy some instant kava? Its much cheaper and not physically addictive on its own. It shouldn't be hard to hop off the drugs at your dose anyway as you really shouldn't even have withdrawal but kava will give your brain something else to fixate on.

 

[lilsneakydan]

I’ve been taking the brand Jubi “relax” shots for about a year. Roughly 2 a day for severe anxiety. I’m also mildly autistic and they help with occasional meltdowns. I am currently not working and I can’t have my husband pay $500 a month for this habit. I’ve tried almost everything under the sun and never became dependent. I’ve been on and off benzos for 15 years and have tapered off of high doses within 2 weeks. The label says in 1 shots there is 100mg of kratom extract (mitragynine) and 350mg of kava (kavalactones.) I don’t know if this is a very high amount or not. I want to taper off so badly but I cannot experience more anxiety than I am already feeling. I’m ready to stop, though. Can anyone educate me a little or give advice on how to get off these?
I also have a high tolerance to benzos and opiates most likely due to high doses of cancer treatment (chemo and prednisone) years ago. Like I take a 20mg oxy maybe every 2 months but will barely feel it without Tagamet and that was BEFORE the kratom. Anything helps!!! Thank you!

i have been in your shoes. i used to take 5 to 6 shot per day. the znxiety you are experiencing is going to get worst. i hate to be the negativity but it is honest. the last round or stage of withdrawl is anxiety and boy it was bad. you may need to ask your doctor for mild anti anxiety med it will help. hope this helps more than all these trollers. my advice rest. you are going to experience alot of restless leg syndrome, sleepless night. ask your doctor for antianxiety or trazadone very low dose for sleep aid
gets some rest and keep your mind off that stuff be with who you love the lots

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Awful advice, anything a doctor would give an addict for anxiety are 1st Gen antihistamine which make rls much worse in most, ssri which again would make detox SO MUCH WORSE and trazadone ain't doing shit for nobody in withdrawals. I also didn't see anyone trolling, they gave solid advice. There's no easy way out you have to suck it up, the habit wasn't that bad she'd be fine in a few days. If she really needed something for anxiety kava would be the best bet.