Bupe Quickest way to switch from heron to suboxone?

[bobbyjones]

So I used suboxone for two years after a year and a half heroin habit. I recently stopped sub treatment, then became addicted to H again. I went back to the clinic and started suboxone again, but I stopped for a few days and returned to heroin. Right now I'm trying to stop the H and return to suboxone, I had my last H dose last night. I'm trying to spend all of today with nothing so that I can take suboxone tomorrow without the risk of getting precipitated withdrawal. The problem, is that I never last through the day. I keep scoring and using, thereby delaying my chance to make the switch. Does anyone have a clever solution to this? For example, is there a way I can take the suboxone today in order to avoid going for H?

 

[bunge]

Some people are able to switchover very quickly from heroin to subs as heroin has a short halflife but the general rule is that you have to be properly into the withdrawal (obvious symptoms, not just the start of the cravings) so 24hrs is a good rule of thumb.
I don t know of any way of cheating it without risking PWD but tbh if you cant handle one day of withdrawal then its unlikely you will complete a detox.
Id suggest you have a good think about what your trying to acheive and what your willing to go through to get it, because theres a big element of just 'sucking it up' involved in beating addiction.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

This is how suboxone induction works. There is no method of getting clean that is completely painless.. consider yourself lucky if you only have to deal with 24 hours of withdrawal. A lot of people (myself included) are sick for 2-3 days before the suboxone starts really working. I wish I only had to suffer for 24 hours before knowing the suboxone would work.

 

[Crashing]

I never had to deal with that Mr. Scagnattie. There is tons of information on BL about how to do an instant induction using the proper titration technique. Technically one could start the induction an hour after slamming heroin. The doctors misunderstand affinity or just don't care about the comfort of addict.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

I never had to deal with that Mr. Scagnattie. There is tons of information on BL about how to do an instant induction using the proper titration technique. The doctors are wrong.

Some people can hop on it with no problem. I used to be able to do that too. But after years and years of going back and forth, using a large amount for a long period of time and trying to transition, it becomes very very difficult.

 

[Crashing]

Well, i don't mean simply hopping on it. The idea is to titrate up from micro dosages steadily as you come down from dope so that there is a crossfade so-to-speak between saturation of heroin to buprenorphine. The first couple times I inducted, i went into PWs but eventually figured out how to go straight onto it.

 

[bobbyjones]

So my last real shot was around midnight last night. Today I squeezed my cottons (there was nothing left though), and a half hour later I started to shiver and freeze like crazy, with an incredibly bad headache. That has subsided in the last couple hours, but just now I threw up several times. Now that I did that I feel a tiny bit better, just weakness and back pain. My question is, was all that cotton fever or am I experiencing withdrawals? If the latter, perhaps I can take the subs now.

 

[Slum Survivor]

try starting with tiny dosages and work ure way up... thats about the only "trick" to avoid PW's i seem to have alot of experience with this lately. it aint worth the hassle getting high and messing up yur sub treatment.

last time i relapsed was mainly because i was in severe pain from a back injury. still was a relapse either way.

wish u luck

just read your last post: yeah idk if that was cotton fever, thats hard to say. but if your that sick already u could maybe try starting small amounts of sub.

start with maybe 1-2mg and wait an hour or so. if u didnt get PW's then try another 1-2mg and keep doing that until u feel better. not perfect, but better.

Mr.S really helped me alot with this whole PW thing lately, but its a bitch. everyone's time needed inbetween dope and sub is different. i had to wait 40 hours!!! to start subs from dope a month ago. its worth it to avoid PW's tho.

EDIT: come to think about it, just for the record, i had to wait about 42 hours again when i relapsed recently. i tried to take my sub at 18 hours and it gave me PW's so i waited till the next day after and only took about 1.5 mg too. im one of the unlucky ones who has to wait forever tho, that may not be you. especially if u w/d quickly. do like i said above and start the sub slowly. i think ull be ok

 

[vajeeh]

Try to arrange it where you do your last shot like at 3am or something, and you know you have to wait until the next night, sleep, and then by waking up you will be passing a safe zone of 24 hours...so if you wake up at 9 or 8, you will be in a pretty safe territory to start suboxone.

 

[vajeeh]

So my last real shot was around midnight last night. Today I squeezed my cottons (there was nothing left though), and a half hour later I started to shiver and freeze like crazy, with an incredibly bad headache. That has subsided in the last couple hours, but just now I threw up several times. Now that I did that I feel a tiny bit better, just weakness and back pain. My question is, was all that cotton fever or am I experiencing withdrawals? If the latter, perhaps I can take the subs now.

thats cotton fever. the shivering is a tell-tale sign. You pretty much shot straight bacteria into your bloodstream. I had this happen a few times before.

 

[bobbyjones]

Thanks for all the replies, guys. I appreciate it. I think I can do what needs to be done, i.e. I have to take a last shot at night before bed, spend the whole next day clean and then go on the subs the day after that. That way I'll have some 36 hours under my belt before using the subs. I have done it in the past. One day of not using is doable. My mistake this time (and a few days ago) was squeezing cottons that had been lying around and were used three times already. Today's particular case of cotton fever was truly agonizing. I've gotten the shivers before but the splitting headache had me worried. Then I was nauseous as hell and vomited several times, also when I attempted to go outside. It was so bad that 9 hours later I'm still dealing with lingering symptoms. I did score, and use, yet I still feel as though I have a fever. Gonna try and hit the sack early tonight and do it all correctly over the next few days. That means my last shot tomorrow night will be the new cottons, which I've sealed in a glass with cellophane. If anyone has any other advice on how to avoid cotton fever I'd be glad to hear it. I will also do a search of course.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Well, i don't mean simply hopping on it. The idea is to titrate up from micro dosages steadily as you come down from dope so that there is a crossfade so-to-speak between saturation of heroin to buprenorphine. The first couple times I inducted, i went into PWs but eventually figured out how to go straight onto it.

I know. But, after a while, that becomes a lot harder, no matter how slow you dose to get on the suboxone. That was always how I did it too but it's not that simple anymore. I'm not talking about PW's either. The transitions themselves become a lot harder after a while, especially if you're coming off a large habit.

 

[Crashing]

Yeah, i only shot dope for about 4 years so I can't speak for more...