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Opioids Quick methadone detox

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Hi all,

Long time lurker and now a member. I want to start by giving a big thank you to all the people that make this site happen. The value of the information provided here is priceless. Bravo!

I've heard of peoples stories about starting to use opiates recreationally only to find themselves very addicted and looking to change forthe better. I have done some research about the different methods people use to turn their lives around. One of the methods I would like to learn more about is the quick methadone detox. Though not the preferred method these days it is still one I would like to learn more about. Would appreciate a chime in and/or recount of the experience from anyone who has anything to offer on the subject.

For the sake of having base information, let's say the subject is male, 180/lbs, in reasonably good health, smoker, has been using for about a year and half, starting dosage was about 10-20mg Oxycontin daily up the nose and now on average daily usage is 60-240mg Oxycontin up the nose. Subject at times goes up and down in usage and substitutes DOC with whatever might be around including, H, Morphine, etc. Also for the sake of discussion let's say that the subject has access to 210 mg mixed oral solution methadone (110mg/100ml ratio)

Some of the questions I have are:

- What should the starting dose be? My thoughts would be to start to with 10/mg doses and up dose by 10 every two hours until withdrawal symptoms subside.
- What is the maximum time subject should use this treatment to minimize possibility of new addiction?
- How the does this ever work, like what is the mechanism of action? I mean I understand substituting one drug for another to fight off withdrawal of current DOC but how is this a detox? And why would subject not go into withdrawal when the detox is completed??

Any thoughts at all would be appreciated. I have done a lot of research on the drug and have total respect for it. Have read as much as I could find on this detox. Just want to hear what others have to say. I would also be open to calling someone to have a discussion aboutthe subject if anyone would care to. PM me if thats an option.

Peace n love,

Thank_ful
 
K I dont think of methadone as a detox so i cant really help you there. I just wanted to say a lil about the dosing part. My methadone starts to hit me about an hour and a half after I take it each day and lasts me the 24hours. If you are gonna start off with ten, i think thats fine, but you should only add to it once in the 24 hours period. I mean, the way you said it...up by ten every two hours sounds n shit...is a little scary. It's sounds like tylenol. i was glad when you said you respected it. We all should. my first day at the clinic they gave me 20 and that was fine. I am now on 85 but that took a long time to get up to. Good luck.. Methadone saved my life and I hope it helps you too.
 
Thanks for taking the time. Here come the questions : )

- When you went in and got your first dose what kind of shape were you in? Early, mid, late W/d's? Cold hold flashes & anxiety or that plus the no sleep and stomach issues too??

- Once you got that dose up in to you and the hour or two went by did you start to just feel lifelike or were you feeling great!? It sounded like you were feeling ok. Was it your choice or part of the program to continue to up the dose?

Glad to hear you found your way with it. For me it's like I just wanna jump out of the fucken wheel man, if only for a week even. I have this bottle given by a friend and I heard of people using is to detox-not maintenance. I have no big dreams for it to magically make things better. Not using for a few days would be really nice and positive steps towards long term change. I'm not too-too bad off at this point but can see I'm headed no where fucking fast and it's time to change shit up a little. I know what it's to take a few months of my life to relax and nod the fuck out every night for months onend. Check!! Something new please.

Much luv,



K I dont think of methadone as a detox so i cant really help you there. I just wanted to say a lil about the dosing part. My methadone starts to hit me about an hour and a half after I take it each day and lasts me the 24hours. If you are gonna start off with ten, i think thats fine, but you should only add to it once in the 24 hours period. I mean, the way you said it...up by ten every two hours sounds n shit...is a little scary. It's sounds like tylenol. i was glad when you said you respected it. We all should. my first day at the clinic they gave me 20 and that was fine. I am now on 85 but that took a long time to get up to. Good luck.. Methadone saved my life and I hope it helps you too.
 
I know that 40mg is good enough for an addict for one day so if you want to detox and have 210mg of Methadone available I would think that you should either divide to an equal amount and take it for 5 days or actually use a sliding dose, in this case I worked out 210mg very well.

First day: 60mg
Second day: 50mg
Third day: 40mg
Fourth day: 30mg
Fifth Day: 20mg
Sixth Day: 10mg

By the seventh day you should need nothing. You weaned yourself off and the first 3 days is really the most important in which is a 3 day bump and the doses you used for the first 3 days were very well and manageable and then the last 3 days keeps you kicking without any unpleasant physical or mental withdrawal and by the seventh day you should be completely clean and want to be and stay that way. :)
 
Hey King,

Thanks for taking the time. The schedule you presented here looks great and comfortable for that matter. Much appreciated. I started this morning, slurped down 20mg (20/ml) when I woke with a light case of withdrawal and less than an hour I feel quite good. I don't have any actual experience with done, and only know what I have read, and from what people say this stuff isn't to be fucked with so I thought I'd take 20ml and go about my day and see what happens. Once I get home tonight we'll see how I feel and maybe supplement the morning dose with another 10'er and establish that base dose and start dropping from there for a max 7 days.

I still don't understand how putting methadone in place of the Oxy is a detox but I've read that 7-21 day methadone assisted opiate detox was standard practice at one time.

Hoping for the best, and trying to be as safe as I can. If anyone else with methadone experience has anything to add, feel free.

Cheers to trying to get my life back,

Rob
 
Update: Dosed 20ml Done at 9:00am and feeling great! Nothing short of a miracle at this point. I normally wouldn't have been able to make it until 10:00 am with dosing 40mg of my old DOC - Oxy. I realize I am no where near out of the woods but off to a promising start in my books. Plan to go home after work and see how I'm feeling and maybe re-dose 10-20ml to hold me for the evening and drop tomorrows dose 5-10ml and repeat. Even though it is so soon it feels great to take even a small break from my old ways.
 
First off my grammar sucks almost as bad as my spelling etc. sorry in advance
When I first went in, I had already taken 20 that morning. A friend of mine gave me two days worth to get me through the weekend until the clinic opened. When I first started taking it.... about an hour after my dose I would get a mild "eye droopey" kinda buzzed feeling so for your question It never made me physically feel great, more of a "well" feeling. Not having to search and chase and spend 200 bucks a day to keep from feeling like shit...now that felt GREAT!
The fact that your friend had that bottle, which to me, would be really hard to find, I think you should take a great gift! Use it wisely. When you said not doing it for a few days...I remember how great it felt after a week with no oxy and no h in my body! I felt like a scab on my heart had healed.
I went up buy 10 by choice every week until I could use my cell phone with out thinking of a dealer each time. lol. or something like that. around 75 I stopped wanting other opiates. at 85, where I intend on staying...maybe forever... I don't crave, I have energy, love the gym, and I fall asleep the second I put my head on a pillow at night. I can feel it's antidepressant tendencies.
I guess I should mention that I am one of the people that can feel there dose everyday. I like the feeling, hard to explain what it is. Also on days when I don't have to do much I down a lot of grapefruit juice, munch some tums and take a few milk thistles tablets, and I feel this kinda stoned on opiates feeling that makes it great to veg out on the couch etc. lol
All the best peace and love, Deb

I just noticed that your name is thankful on bl. it was a coincidence that I put you should be thankful for the meth..honestly.. i like it though..lol
 
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Sooooo. Here we are March 10th. Thought I would pen a little update on my experiment. On February 24th. I decided to get my Opie-fiend self in check. Plan was to jump with a short term Methadone parachute a'la the 21 day detox kinda thing. Habit was waaaaay too expensive and looks like my ole friend OC is pretty much toast in Canada. Time to change things up.

I ended up with about 300/ml (10/10/mg-ml) liquid methadone and went to work.

Day 1 - 5 was 20-30/ml a day and that was not a problem, no w/d's, no cravings, sleep, energy, bliss. Bought some weed, did yoga and kept busy. Felt like it was a miracle. Kept a pay cheque and got some bills caught up, spent time at home lazying around without a care in the world. Things went really well with only one slip. On a 15/ml day I ended up with the wrong people and poof! 60/mg OC good bye party ooops. Full recovery from that. A one off. What I learnt during this period, for me I didn't feel the need to keep upping my dose (contrary to my plan) to get through the week. After 2 days of 20/ml I was sailing. So happy to not be broke and have spent countless hours waiting around in fucking parking lots. Amazing motivator. Really seamless transition from doing OC all day to a slurp in the morning and off for the day. I learnt a lot about the "in your head" side of things and the need to change things up and keep busy. I started to "feel" again, regular bowel movements, re-introduced to my sex organs, conversation, etc.

Day 5 - present (Day 16). Started to run low on the juice, diluted it, and have been around 5-15/ml a day during this period. Glad to report overall life is good at this stage but harder, more on your own feeling. I'm amazed that this much time has passed and I haven't fell back. But I'm noticing the tiredness and pretty much did fawk-all this week lol. High on hash, crash out, start over lol I'm pulling out of this as of today. Spring is in the air and I have things to do. My mind is very sympathetic. I'm a small c capitalist by day but am so unmoved by my work right now. I use my mind to pour over causes that wouldn't normally register due to time availability but I seem moved by Dog Rescue's, Habitat for Humanity, Early Education lol I know fucked eh? I live alone so it's easy for me to be recluse but think I've had enough and will aim to get more done with my day. I've been eating quite well and am hooked on the idea of natural endorphin production. Big bike rides planned and more stimulation planned overall. Think I'm going to slow off the hash as well.

I really feel like I have to be off the "Done" by the end/mid of next week as that will make it 21/days and I'm not looking for another Monkey on my back so I really have to drop it. From now till then 5/ml will be my max for the day and I should consider maybe starting to skip a day here and there to work what I have in me out and/or get by on a lower dose. I'm motivated but a little scared at the same time. It's just the fear of waking up in wretched pain and sickness as I have no idea what to expect. I feel like I've done some good and made major change but by all means don't think I'm cured and out of the woods and not dependent. But things are looking good. Food, exercise, stimulation, busy, etc, etc.

I know everyone is different but if anyone has had a similar experience and has any comments, on what I might be in for as far as acute w/d's go, chime in. I don't even want to start talking about PAWS yet. Tips, words of encouragement welcome as well.

Oh yeah, and. I feel getting right off the "Done" by next Friday is very important-mandatory. If I'm feeling like absolute shit and felt I still needed to ween more to stay out of trouble at work, life, etc...I have access to low dose oral ER morphine tabs and if anyone has any experience managing W/d, detox, tapering, and not screwing things up chime in as well. My thinking was that if needed 10mgs of oral morphine might do the trick and work down from there but if it's advised to man-up and tough it out I would consider that as well.

All the best,
 
ER morphine would suit your needs well if you have to function at work in the like, but otherwise I'd say just "man up." Take one. If it kills most w/d symptoms, don't take any more till they come back. If it has not effect, take up to two or three (honestly one-two should be fine, three might give you a bit of a buzz which would be moving us in the wrong direction here...) A couple days later, halve that dose. And so on and so forth.

I take it suboxone is out of the question, given you've went with the methadone?
 
This little set-up wasn't in a clinical setting at all. Though I've read about Sub I'm going to save that card. I have it in my head that I've made major change and can skate this one with what I got if I leave the juice alone and keep parachuting down with something else if absolutely necessary. Noob at kicking, still have so much optimism ;)
 
Yea, it sounds like you're on the right track, for sure! Mind over matter my friend, that's the best trick one can use while kicking. IMHO, when I've detoxed, oh so many god damn times now, I could deal with 99% of the w/d sympton simply by sucking it up. Although, I did spend a lot of time in bed and not doing anything... But still, you keep up that attitude and you'll be happy with the results!

I was only thinking of using bupe to come off the methadone, but that's tricky in and of itself, so I guess better to avoid it if this is your first major go around.

You might want to go over to The Dark Side, as they give some of the best support for folks in your position.

Best of luck!!! Keep you head held high.
 
hi there,
I would really like to hear an update on your situation...I am in the opposite situation...I have worked myself down to about 30 mg of methadone and trying to get off...
 
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