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Quick klonopin question

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thomasc93

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I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but just wanted to get some community input and make sure I'm not doing anything (too) dangerous.

I'm prescribed for my anxiety two 0.5mg Klonopin pills a day, one in the morning and one in the evening. My dad has some Valium that he never uses, so I was interested in trying a one time sample dose of it.

Tomorrow, this is my plan: take the morning 0.5mg Klonopin, but instead of taking the nightly 0.5mg Kpin tab, I was just going to take 10mg of Valium instead, just to sample it. After tomorrow, I'll just revert back to my rx'd 1mg of Kpin a day.

This won't cause any harm, will it? I mean, this is a one time thing; never had Valium so I'm just curious as to how it compares to Klonopin.

Thanks for the help!
 
I have very little to to no benzo tolerance and in the past 90 minutes I took 30mg diazapam and 2mg clonazepam.

I am in no way worried about these doses. You will be fine. If anything your body won't react the same to the valium and you won't get the same anxiolytic effects. Or you may find the valium works better for you and you can talk to your doctor about RXing some valium instead of the k-pins. Effect wise, the valium are more subtle, so I think you might be disappointed, however I really like valium and I know a lot of others here do as well.
 
Thanks SPC!

Wait, so would it be okay to take the 0.5mg Kpin and the 10mg Valium?? Or maybe half a Kpin tab and a 5mg Valium tab?

It would be interesting to combine the 0.5mg Kpin and the 10mg of Valium, but I really don't want to form a benzo tolerance (only been on the Kpins for about a week and a half).
 
You are better to stick with your scrip if you want to avoid addiction and tolerance. But if you are interested in seeing what valium is like, then I don't see an issue with trading .5mg kpin x 2 with 10mg valium x 2. Or just trade up your morning dose. .5 kpin with 10mg valium.

If you are curious in the differences, don't mix them. Just try the valium and see what you think. Ultimately they are the same class of drug. You just might react better to one or another. Doesn't hurt to experiment, especially if you are just subbing an equivalent valium dosage for your kpin dosage.

Just for the record: 10mg valium = .5 mg kpin, per the benzo equivalence chart.
 
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these are very low doses. I would recommend you take both the .5mg kpin and 10mg valium. Hell, youd be safe taking up to 2mg kpin and 20mg valium....beyond that you might blackout though :p
 
There is nothing wrong with the swap, but expect more sedation from the Valium compared to the Klonopin at those doses.
 
There is nothing wrong with the swap, but expect more sedation from the Valium compared to the Klonopin at those doses.
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definitely agree with this, also, if you are used to taking klonopin at nighttime then taking valium will most likely make you feel a lot more groggy in the morning that klonopin would. That is based on my experience but everyone is different :)
 
One thing to remember with the equivilancy chart is that it doesn't take half life into account. That's why they show .5 mg clonazopam = .5 mg alazopram, even though alazopram packs more of a subjective punch. (Clonzopam is equipotent, but that potency is distributed over a longer time). Diazepam has a way longer half life then clonazopam or most other benzos (which is partly why its recommended for detox).

This longer half life may explain the sedation in the morning thing. It also means that you have to be aware of your cumulative dose. Especially when you're body hasn't adjusted to processing the diazepam yet, there's still some of your previous dose in your system when you take next day's, meaning overall level is climbing. I had this problem with 2mg/day clonazepam too, especially at first, so depending on you body and tolerance it might be good to keep on mind no matter which combo you decide to take.
 
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BluRock2 said:
One thing to remember with the equivilancy chart is that it doesn't take half life into account. That's why they show .5 mg clonazopam = .5 mg alazopram, even though alazopram packs more of a subjective punch. (Clonzopam is equipotent, but that potency is distributed over a longer time). Diazepam has a way longer half life then clonazopam or most other benzos (which is partly why its recommended for detox).

This longer half life may explain the sedation in the morning thing. It also means that you have to be aware of your cumulative dose. Especially when you're body hasn't adjusted to processing the diazepam yet, there's still some of your previous dose in your system when you take next day's, meaning overall level is climbing. I had this problem with 2mg/day clonazepam too, especially at first, so depending on you body and tolerance it might be good to keep on mind no matter which combo you decide to take.
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Potency has nothing to do with "subjective punch" - nitrazepam, nimetazepam, temazepam, and flunitrazepam are not as potent as alprazolam, clonazepam, or lorazepam, yet all 4 of them are far more intense in their effects on an individual.
 
kokaino said:
Potency has nothing to do with "subjective punch" - nitrazepam, nimetazepam, temazepam, and flunitrazepam are not as potent as alprazolam, clonazepam, or lorazepam, yet all 4 of them are far more intense in their effects on an individual.
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What does potency actually measure? (Or what is it that they're measuring that makes them decide benzo x = benzo y?). It sounds like you're saying temezepam etc are more intense because effects are different, which would certainly make sense. Do the nice subjective differences in temezepam high effect anixoltyic properties? Can you function normally on them? I have a bottle for sleep somewhere but haven't tried them.
 
There is nothing wrong with the swap, but as others have said, expect more sedation from the Diazepam. The doses you are comparing are equipotent. I like both Diazepam and Clonazepam but personally would just take the Klonopin but if you are interested in trying new things then take the Diazepam.
 
BluRock2 said:
What does potency actually measure? (Or what is it that they're measuring that makes them decide benzo x = benzo y?). It sounds like you're saying temezepam etc are more intense because effects are different, which would certainly make sense. Do the nice subjective differences in temezepam high effect anixoltyic properties? Can you function normally on them? I have a bottle for sleep somewhere but haven't tried them.
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All benzos share the same properties, some are stronger sedatives, others more powerful anticonvulsants, and yet others better anxiolytics.

Benzos like nitrazepam or temazepam are hypnotics. That means they are powerful sedatives meant to treat insomnia. They have great anxiolytic properties, but they wouldn't make good anxiolytics because of their more powerful effects on an individual. Benzos like alprazolam, clonazepam, lorazepam, bromazepam, and even oxazepam are poor sedatives, but powerful anxiolytics (so it's possible to take them and go about your day).

There's a lot more to benzos than one would think.
 
^ Agreed.

However, a relatively newer benzodiazepine named delorazepam seems to have prominent sedative-hypnotic effects, even though it is primarily an anxiolytic.
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
Out of the primary anxiolytics I find diazepam to have the most powerful sedative properties.
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I guess it is until tolerance sets in. I cannot decide if its just the generics anymore but I do think Diazepam has the least amount of bad effects in terms of any benzo......It is a little sedating for the first week, but then again I've never had brand name roche Diazepam and truly there is a difference. I had Orange Mylan pills in my pocket for maybe 5 hours in a bottle. The next day I look at them and they're barebly readable, huge chalky dust storm in the bottom. I think Mylan is one of the Worse brands of all time
 
Hey B&O whaz up bro? Chillin drinkin 40zzz with Prozac? I slain that shit like hot cakes.

Diazepam caused me to nod out on the wheel and hit a pole in the neighborhood, got arrested and went to jail. Diazepam just keeps me nodding out hardcore, but I'm talking in high doses, none of that 30mg or less bracket. Doses that low I don't feel. But I can take 2mg of Xanax & feel literally nothing. And I have no tolerance these days. Not after quitting long ago. So basically high doses of Ativan (which I've come to like), Klonopin & Xanax won't sedate me at all (well sort of Klonopin), high doses of Valium will.

I used to not like lorazepam until recently, after my tolerance has been reset after 11 years of use. I used to think it was too subtle and needed very high doses. But just about 1 week ago I took 4mg and felt great! But I became very emotional and cried like a baby about my dog dying. And I NEVER cry because the Adderall leaves me emotional-less.

Whats you been up to B&O?
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
Interested in this never benzodiazepine delorazepam. Too bad I'll probably never be able to try it since its only available in Italy. Not much literature on it that I could find.
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You also have the phenazepam groupies saying phenazepam holds this "anxiolytic that's closest to hypnotic" title.


I still say Valium! Need more research on delorazepam, or at least some personal testimonies.
 
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