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Opioids quick ??? about actiq lolipops

HHazard20

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im sorry if this seems easy to find using the search bar, but i couldn't get any luck with answering my 2 questions about fentnyl lolipops...

1. can you snort the lolipop, given you crush it up?

2. how much oxycodone, roughly, is a 1200 mics pop equivelent to?

thanks people
 
I would not try to snort the crushed up lollipop as it has some sugary stuff and would stick in your nose, using it as intended will kick in pretty damn quick man, and 1200 micrograms is a lotta Fentanyl to have so unless you are hella opiate tolerant don't lollypop all at once just do some till you are loaded and put it away for a while...i dunno the exact ratio of Fentanyl to oxycodone but fentanly = 50 times more potent than morphine so , it is strong ,1200 mics is a lotta opaite...like a shit load man,,do not play with that lollypop, take it easy and be careful or you will end up dead...sorry i do not have an opiate conversion chart handy,altho I do have one somewhere, if no one else answers this for you I will try and get you a number off the charts...peace..and good luck..
 
1. Your gonna kill yourself
2. Why would you snort candy, even when it has drugs in it
3. Check this website to convert it: its like 160mg of oxy to 80mcg of fent I think so be careful your have to remember the per hour fent distribution too. I.e. only sucking on ot for like 10 minutes at a time (JUST AN EXAMPLE)


P.s. check out a converter: http://www.globalrph.com/narcoticonv.htm
 
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I felt the same high off of one of those lili pops as about 60mgs of oxy. When they were sold by me, the dealer would say that they felt like an 80mg oxy. So thats my experience as far as the high is concerned, so take it for what its worth.
 
ive seen that chart and it makes no sense, i can tell you right now 80mcg of this lolipop DOES NOT equal 160mg of oxy... that would mean this lolipop is equal to 2400mgs of oxycodone?! that would be THIRTY oxy 80's. no fucking way man, i wish. i ate half of the thing last night and was only slightly fucked up.... def do have somewhat of a tolerance but not that much. you dont know what your talking about bottleofoxy, you should do your homework before you start telling people their going to kill themselves.


anyone with actual experience?

i love how whenever fent is mentioned, a hundred people chime in with "KILL! KILL! KILL! DEATH! DEATH! DEATH! OVERDOESSSSSE!!!!!"



i DO know its a drug, thanks
 
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whateverrrrr man, if you could have killed yourself I would have saved you, Hahaa. P.s. tommyboy has some experience^^
 
since you've tried dosing half the pop already something you might do with the other half would be to let it dissolve under your tongue i hear thats a better ROA for some drugs. also i was less than impressed with the last pop i had, woulda rather just had a dub
 
Snorting lollipops? Nah, man, freebase that fucker with ether and a blowtorch, than take the act onto 'American's Got Talent.'

Meantime, I'm gonna plug some Jolly Ranches, to extract - the prom-placebo-mine.
 
If you want it to work faster, bite it into smaller pieces, and place the pieces all around you mouth. Like 2 pieces under tongue, and a piece in each cheek. I used to just rub it into my gums, but that would lead to them bleeding.
 
i love how whenever fent is mentioned, a hundred people chime in with "KILL! KILL! KILL! DEATH! DEATH! DEATH! OVERDOESSSSSE!!!!!"


People fear what they do not know. I have used fent but not lolipops so i cannot help you with that, sorry.

But....

^I'm not the one trying to snort lollipops, haha.

OMG THAT IS FUCKING HILLARIOUS
 
People fear what they do not know. I have used fent but not lolipops so i cannot help you with that, sorry.

To be fair, many experienced users have OD'd and died from taking the power of fentanyl for granted. It's come up is much more subtle than oxycodone so it's good to be on the safe side.


OMG THAT IS FUCKING HILLARIOUS

I laughed out loud when I read that too. Like, touché!
 
There is a qualifier when talking about potency and equivalency- the '50x' or '10x' etc stronger statements are talking about the amount of drug (weight) to gain analgesia (pain relief) compared to another opioid, by weight.

Also, these charts are made regarding a SINGLE DOSE equivalency. Meaning, in an average opioid naive person with no other opioids in their system, x-mg of Opioid 1 is equal to y-mg of Opioid 2.

There are differences between charts, some charts use oral doses or IV, IM, SC, etc doses, some use extended release or instant release versions of the drugs, etc.

Orally, 10mg Morphine is generally the standard by which other drugs are judged.

If you understand all of the naunces of the chart(s) your're looking at (whether they are talking about XR drugs, oral or other routes of administration, about particular patient groups like the elderly, etc), you also then need to consider that the doses for analgesia or equal analgesia have nothing to do with 'how it feels' or how much of x-opioid do I need to take to equal y-mg of opioid z?

Example:

Dose Conversion—Step 1

The first step in conversion to methadone therapy is to determine the daily oral morphine equivalent dose of the current opioids. The latter may include long-acting medications as well as short-acting medications used for breakthrough pain. The daily dosage of each opioid is multiplied by the ratio of equianalgesic doses, using morphine in the numerator and the current opioid in the denominator (Table 2).18 These are summed, and the result is the daily oral morphine equivalent dose. If the current route of administration is not oral, the additional step of converting this route to the oral-equivalent dose is required. These conversion ratios usually are found in the package inserts of the associated products or on the manufacturers’ Web sites. Figure 1 shows a sample calculation of the daily oral morphine equivalent dose from oxycodone (Oxycontin) and hydromorphone (Dilaudid).

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2005/0401/p1353.html

Fentanyl is very potent by weight, and is available in highly concentrated, potent forms by prescription (dura and duro gesic patches, Actiq pops).
Given its characteristics, and the high doses that are available, it has gained a nasty reputation for opioid overdoses and deaths. Similar to Methadone in that regard.

By weight, Fentanyl is dozens of times more potent than Morphine, depending on the route of administration it could be more times or less times as potent (every drug has a different bio-availability based on the route of administration).

Oral is not a preferred route of administration for Fentanyl. It is far more effective buccally (as the Actiq is meant to be taken) or transdermally (as Duro and Dura gesic patches are meant to be used). Similar to Buprenorphine- swallowing it will not produce anywhere near the effects had the same dose been taken sublingually. Fentanyl will be more efficient and kick in faster if used buccally father than by swallowing it.

In either case, 0.12mg Fentanyl is a high dose.

Fentanyl is approximately 100 times more potent than morphine,[6] with 100 micrograms of Fentanyl approximately equivalent to 10 mg of morphine and 75 mg of pethidine (meperidine) in analgesic activity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentora

Bio-availibility:

92% (transdermal)
50% (buccal)
33% (ingestion)

Eating half an Actiq: reckless.
 
Opiate tolerant, changing meds............


I have been on opiate therapy for close to 25 years now, suffering from RSDS/CRPS. I can't really complain from the help I've received from many Dr.'s, except for maybe one, who wouldn't prescribe me anything more than 30 mg's of methadone daily, but hospitalizing me close to twice a month over a 5 year period, until finding a "real pain management" Dr., who set me on the right course, not being hospitalized or even being seen in an ER, since the early 90's.
For nearly 10 years, was taking 200 mg's of Morphine ER, 3x's daily, plus 8 mg's of hydromorphone, up to 4x's daily, as needed for breakthrough pain. Was beginning to have pain I couldn't control, so my PCP, who has taken over my pain management needs for the past 7 years or so, thought it would be good idea to "roll me over" to different meds.
Just before xmas, he began me on 150 mcg's of fentynal patches,(2 75's)to be changed every 72 hrs., but after the 2nd set of using 2 patches, I had to change them every 48 hrs. instead, but still on the hydromorphone, yet still not getting the pain control I need.
Has anyone here used Actiq pops, how did they work, plus would you have any idea what the conversion would be, from the 8 mg's of hydromorphone, up to 4x's daily, using Actiq, what strength & how many times a day?

Thank you for your time, will be seeing my PCP in a couple days, thinking he'll up my fentynal patch strength, from 150 to 200 mcg's, trying to make them last 72 hrs., instead of just 48 hrs.
Am from a very small town in the midwest, with my Pain Management Dr., or Clinic no longer open & at this stage am not real thrilled going someplace, where they'll want me to start all over again, after being through "The Gauntlet" one too many times !!!!!!
 
I dont know what some of these r-tards are talking about but i sniff the 600 mcg fentanyl pops.It burns a little but not to bad you just gotta make sure you crush them up real fine because if u leave chunks that shit hurts your head. I did get more of an effect from sniffing than sucking them. I know nothing about shooting them thats one road ive never been down with n e drug.
 
^R-tards? Just because something is doable, doesn't make it smart, or even efficient/effective. People smoke oxycodone, doesn't mean it is smart,safe,or even very effective.

In middle school a lot of 'r-tards' would snort pixie sticks. Nod city, hellls yeah.
 
These lollipops are overrated. Granted, I have a HUGE opiate tolerance. I've sucked on an 800mcg pop and literally felt NOTHING. I am used to taking the fent patches and using them buccally at much higher doses, but I did expect at least a small buzz from Actiq. Nothin'.
 
Fentanyl is dangerous. Fentanyl is also fucking great. But I've OD'd on it before and am lucky to have lived. That was pretty much the end of my fentanyl days. I was hooked on it for quite some time.
 
^R-tards? Just because something is doable, doesn't make it smart, or even efficient/effective. People smoke oxycodone, doesn't mean it is smart,safe,or even very effective.

In middle school a lot of 'r-tards' would snort pixie sticks. Nod city, hellls yeah.

They Nod city, hells yeah part litterally made me LOL

Sorry cant speak of the pops only had the patches which i hate a pretty big tolerance to oxy but i would usually eat some of the 100 patch and then smoke the rest. never IVed but i would say smoking it is very comparable to IV as far as rush
 
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