questions regarding FIRST TIME ECSTASY USE!!

[BlueBull]

Blue ghosts in Ireland (Dublin region)

Because it is your first time you will not need a lot. Half of one (presuming they contain 200mg) is only 100 mg which is, even for your first time, a bit on the low side I think. I would take 3/4. In the case they are indeed very very strong they will contain around 200mg, which would put you at 150mg ingested, which is a very good dose but not too high. In the case they are not so strong and only contain lets say 120 mg you will still be above the threshold dose in which case you can take a bit more after the effects have fully come up. I say this because from experience (mine, my friends and users on this forum) the first dose determines how high you'll go and added doses after that mostly lengthen the roll by about an hour and only increase the high a bit, not much. So if you take half and they turn out to be weak pills you will not get much higher by taking more afterwards.

Keep in mind though that you should only do this if you are SURE your pills are pure. If they are not pure this way of taking them can be potentially dangerous if they contain certain adulterants (long explanation, short version is there are very toxic adulturants that only begin to work after 2-3 hours and where the recreational dose is very very close to the deadly dose, 30mg recreational vs. 60mg deadly. So if you take more, thinking they are weak, you end up with a deadly dose 3 hours later without knowing. Look up PMA/PMMA). That's why it is very important you test your pills. Testkits are very cheap and can be delivered straight to your door (or a friends door if you live with your parents)

 

[lacedup420]

How much would a test kit be and what would 1 tell me? I rarely have any money and it will be hard as i cant get it delivered to my door as i live with my parents and so do basically all my friends

 

[BlueBull]

If you are not planning on testing a lot of different pills I would suggest the eztest testkits (look them up on google). The ecstasy testkit costs 20euros for 10 one-use tests.

I use these because every test comes in a glass vial so I can take them with me to a festival or party in the rare case I decide to buy my stuff there (this rarely happens). I have bought the ketamine testkit, not the ecstasy one, because that one can detect PMA/PMMA (the only adulturant that is really really deadly at the moment) next to ecstasy. The ecstasy testkit cannot detect PMA/PMMA but it can detect a bit more different substances than the ketamine one. Testing your pills will give you an indication of the purity as adulturants will show up as other colours than dark blue/black. The color change is most important because of this, more important than the final color. MDMA gives a dark blue color and this overpowers other colors at the end of the reaction. If you have pills with a mix of MDMA and something else you will only notice the other colors during the reaction, not after it is completed

If you want to test for your friends too so need more than 10 tests check out dancesafe, they sell reagent in a bottle with enough liquid to do about 200 tests. But these are not very portable and they go bad a lot faster than the eztest ones

 

[lacedup420]

Thanks for explaining that but it will be very hard for me to get one as i do not have a credit card to buy online and i cant get it delivered to anywhere..

 

[BlueBull]

If your parents won't open a package addressed to you, know that eztest delivers in an inconspicuous packaging, they will never be able to tell what it is or where it came from without opening it. And you can pay by wire transfer so don't need a credit card (I don't have one either). As for the money, I just noticed EZtest started selling single tests again which are very very cheap. Click "EZTest tubes" at the top of their page. 4 euros for a test

If you really cannot get a testkit at least look up your pills on pillreports.com and see if there are mentions of dirty ones. This will also give an indication of how strong they are. This is of-course not safe but if you can't test at least look them up

Sorry if all this information is a bit much or if some information scares you, as that is not needed, (pure) MDMA is very very safe. I just wish someone would've told me all this before I began doing MDMA so I thought I would give you as much info as I can Happy rollings man!

 

[lacedup420]

Thanks man i just hope there isnt any speed or coke in them haha! And yeah id say my parents would definately open a blank package they dont trust me as it is haha...
Thanks for all your informative answers!

 

[Black]

only 100 mg which is, even for your first time, a bit on the low side I think. I would take 3/4.

100mg is certainly enough for the first time, unless you're a huge guy. back when we started with mdma, everyone would roll just fine with one 70mg pill. it was only after the first few times that we upped our (initial) doses to around 100-120mg for normal people and 150-160mg for the hardhead weighing 100kg.

 

[lacedup420]

So how much of 1 blue ghost would you say? About half?

 

[JWills20]

So how much of 1 blue ghost would you say? About half?

Yeah half would be a good amount. You don't wanna take too much your first time, as it can be overwhelming. 80-120mg is fine, but I'd say 100mg is the ideal general starter dose for anyone.

 

[lacedup420]

Ok thanks ill crush up half and take it, how much would you say is in the average pill? The pills ill be getting are blue ghosts and my mate said that pills are always mixed with stuff...
What would you say would be used as fillers in pills around ireland and the uk?

 

[JWills20]

Ok thanks ill crush up half and take it, how much would you say is in the average pill? The pills ill be getting are blue ghosts and my mate said that pills are always mixed with stuff...
What would you say would be used as fillers in pills around ireland and the uk?

If you're going to take a pill, buy one of these. You want to take pills that test positive only for MDMA. Or MDMA+speed pills if you want to try the combination, but the comedown is harsher. Fillers are usually inactive stuff just there to keep the pill together, so don't worry about them. The only problem is if the pill has other drugs in it (I.E. Not MDMA), which loads of pills do. If your pill tests positive for MDMA (as determined with the test kit), then PillReports suggests it has a very high MDxx content so just take half. If you're enjoying it, you could re-dose with a quarter more of the pill about 2-3 hours after the initial drop, or just whenever you feel comfortable and happy with how it's going. I remember my first times I never bothered redosing and just enjoyed the one dose for 4-5 hours. The absolute max you should take over the night is the whole pill. These pills are super strong and 200mg MDMA is a lot for a first timer. You don't want to risk a bad comedown, get the dosage right and you'll have a great experience followed a smooth afterglow of happiness. Just because your friends might be taking more, doesn't mean it should influence you.

 

[lacedup420]

Yeah i was looking a test kits but the problem is i live with my parents so i cant get it delivered to my house and i cant buy online
Also how long would you say half of a blue ghost would last? And how long does it usually take for half to kick in?

 

[BlueBull]

Yeah i was looking a test kits but the problem is i live with my parents so i cant get it delivered to my house and i cant buy online
Also how long would you say half of a blue ghost would last? And how long does it usually take for half to kick in?

How long it lasts and how long it takes to kick in can vary a bit and is influenced by a lot of variables. The roll can last anywhere from 3 to 5 hours. Because it is your first time you will indeed probably roll for 4-5 hours on one dose like JWills20 says. It can take anywhere from 30 minutes (I've had it take 20 minutes once even) to a little over an hour to kick in. This and also the length and intensity of your roll is influenced by things like:

-how full/empty your stomach is. I wouldn't take it on an empty stomach, but not completely full either, just make sure you have a bit of food with lots of energy in it in your stomach but not too much. I always drop on an empty stomach but I don't know if it's healthy and a lot of people get nauseous from this. It makes the come-up build a lot faster and a LOT more intense so this is not advised for your first time
-Your weight
-Your general health
-How hard the pill is pressed, the harder it's pressed the slower it will dissolve and also the more gradual your come-up will be. I have never tried the ghosts but if they are anything like most of the other 200mg pills they will be hard pressed
-Set and setting also play a HUGE role. I was at a party once rolling hard and the music stopped (night was done) and my roll was killed instantly. Good music on the other hand will increase the high. So will good company, massages, vicks, laughter, anything positive. More than that even, anything except for negative things
-How much you slept is also very important

And so on, there's really a lot of factors that come into play, every roll is different, but that's the beauty of it

 

[JWills20]

Yeah i was looking a test kits but the problem is i live with my parents so i cant get it delivered to my house and i cant buy online
Also how long would you say half of a blue ghost would last? And how long does it usually take for half to kick in?

You should seriously consider whether you want to risk taking an untested pill. It could be clean MDMA, or it could be something else. It's a risk. Half a blue ghost would likely last 4-5 hours. The comeup can vary, but is usually either 30 minutes - 1hour after dropping. You'll take it and probably experience some placebo effects because 1 hour can be a while, but then it creeps up on you and suddenly you're just rolling.

 

[lacedup420]

Thanks again both of you (JWills20 & BlueBull)!!
I know its a risk taking an untested pill but out of all the ppl i know that have taken it,none have tested and all are fine.
Would half of a ghost really last that long? The event im going to take it at lasts 4 hours(I think) and i dont really want to be obviously high when i go home cus my parents will know somethings up
Is there any way of kind of killing the high just incase? (I dont plan on killing it but just incase)

Also how long before i go into the club should i take it? About 15mins? I might have to take it before going in as there may be bouncers searching us on the way in

 

[JWills20]

Thanks again both of you (JWills20 & BlueBull)!!
I know its a risk taking an untested pill but out of all the ppl i know that have taken it,none have tested and all are fine.
Would half of a ghost really last that long? The event im going to take it at lasts 4 hours(I think) and i dont really want to be obviously high when i go home cus my parents will know somethings up
Is there any way of kind of killing the high just incase? (I dont plan on killing it but just incase)

Also how long before i go into the club should i take it? About 15mins? I might have to take it before going in as there may be bouncers searching us on the way in

Yes, MDMA lasts about 4-5 hours. It's a powerful drug.

I usually just sneak something in, then drop it basically straight away. If it only lasts 4-5 hours then dropping just before you're about to go in works too.

 

[lacedup420]

How would you sneak it in if the bouncers were to search you?

 

[BlueBull]

Thanks again both of you (JWills20 & BlueBull)!!
I know its a risk taking an untested pill but out of all the ppl i know that have taken it,none have tested and all are fine.
Would half of a ghost really last that long? The event im going to take it at lasts 4 hours(I think) and i dont really want to be obviously high when i go home cus my parents will know somethings up
Is there any way of kind of killing the high just incase? (I dont plan on killing it but just incase)

Also how long before i go into the club should i take it? About 15mins? I might have to take it before going in as there may be bouncers searching us on the way in

Even after your roll is done you will look different for an hour or 2-3, sometimes longer. If I come home a few hours after a roll and look in the mirror I can always tell, same goes for my friends. So killing the high is unnecessary because even afterwards you will look different for a while. Besides I don't know of a way to kill your roll other than sedatives but that is of course insane to do. Your eyes will have a certain 'shine' to them, your pupils could still be a bit big and it's possible that you will still have a bit of wide eyes going. Jaw clenching is also possible (but unlikely with lower doses and pure pills). Not to mention the ear to ear grin you will have on your face Of course it won't be as noticeable as during a roll, not by a long shot but it will still be noticeable if someone takes a close look at your face and knows you well. Just don't stop and talk with your parents on the way to your room, or wait a few hours before going home and check yourself in a mirror before you go in.

Also if you are going to drop before entering an event make sure that the queue doesn't take longer than you thought so you don't come up while still waiting in line, that sucks really really bad trust me. I had to argue with a bouncer once that I was on a "happy drug" and wouldn't cause any trouble because I came up on a 200mg roll while waiting in line. Needless to say I was a euphoric, sweating, loved up, bouncing, shivering mess Luckily he was a superb and understanding guy, wished me a very good night, gave me a bottle of water(!!) told me to be careful and said he could tell I knew what I was doing and he let me in %)

 

[lacedup420]

With your pupils afterwards would you say they are only noticibly big if the person is close to me or is it even from further away that you can notice?

 

[BlueBull]

Its not the pupils that are very noticeable, they can be a bit bigger than normal but that's not too bad, they don't stay all the way open like during a roll, they will react to light, just less. It's the "eye shine" that is noticeable. It kinda looks like your eyes are wet if that makes any sense. Also if you focus on something for longer than 3 seconds your eyes themselves will tend to open up or widen. This varies with each person. With some people it's only noticeable if you look closely, with others I can see it from 20 meters away. Also depends on how much you did and other factors. But you can be sure that if you go home 2 hours after your roll ends and you talk with your parents for a while in a lit room they will notice something is up. More so because it is your first time. I have a mate that has noticeably different eyes, jaw and general demeanour up until 24 hours after a roll. In my case up until about 5 hours after my roll. Except for the people that know how I look after a roll, they will be able to tell much longer. Ofcourse the better you know someone the easier you will be able to tell. Just look in the mirror 2 hours after your roll, you'll know what I mean My parents have no idea what someone looks like on or after drugs, my mother doesn't even know what weed smells like but they will know something is up if they would see me right after a roll, maybe just not exactly what is up...