^^^it's people just wanting the go ahead from others to continue their ideas so they don't have to accept responsibility if things go wrong. I'm all for people making the choices of what they put in their bodies, a simple "you're right, it's probably a bad decision but I'm going to carry on anyway" when others give their experience and research against your decision can go a long way.
NO.
See, you got me all wrong.
WHEN did I EVER say Kratom had no safety concerns?
In my first post I cited several:
I said that due to it's pain killing properties someone training on it might go too far, questioned whether or not it might tax the heart especially if one trains on it, acknowledged that it lowers testosterone, mentioned it being sedating and that it could possibly lesson reaction time making it dangerous, that it overheats the body and dehydrates one.
It also causes constipation and insomnia.
There HAVE been cases of jaundice, but no proof it damages the liver and it is of course addictive.
Tell me if I'm crazy and DIDN'T post those points and questions to begin with?
The problem I have is that this guy said "don't go saying this stuff is ok because it helps you fight".
I LEGITIMATLEY did not understand what he meant by saying "don't pretend it's ok" so I asked him and told him my moral views on the issue.
I thought he was trying to say that no one should pretend drug use is acceptable, and I don't agree with that stance, so I shared my view on the topic and asked him what the nubain fiasco was without being AT ALL a dick about it.
He instead responded by calling me Noam Chomsky LOL, and saying once again "don't go saying it's ok" which I STILL didn't and don't understand the meaning of, and went on to tell me he had "no hope for me because I wasn't smart enough to use a google search" and he didn't want to "spoon feed me".
Bascially, from nothing more than me phrasing my moral opinion on the topic of drug use and asking what the nubain fiasco was he went to getting up on his high horse and questioning my intelligence and just generally being a rude cock sucker.
I STILL don't understand what I did to incite him.
So you want me to say "you're right"....but right about "what"?
That it's probably not the best idea to train on??
I tend to think it's PROBABLY not overall the best to train on USUALLY...but I have still NOT decided that Kratom is NOT a safe thing to train on, and I am leaning towards the belief that it is ok to train on it light sometimes but that heavy training on it would best be avoided.
I can accept all the responsibility in the world if "things go wrong".
Exactly what do YOU seeing going wrong?
Since I NEVER suggested anyone ELSE use Kratom and train I am the only one at risk, and I most certainly would not be blaming anyone else if I had an accident or hurt myself through Kraotm use whether i trained on it or not.
He never provided me with any info I was unaware of other than what LH was and instead shared his opinion on whether or not Kratom usage is "morally acceptable" and gave me shit for asking him a question rather than looking up the answer on Google.
The end all conclusion is this: EVERYONE knows all substances have negative side effects and Kratom is no exception and I just listed many of them. But everyone's body is their own and everyone has a right to put into it what they want and I don't believe anyone else has the right to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't ingest as this guy is doing.
I wanted information pertaining to how Kratom might effect working out, but the only person here who provided a little bit was that mod...with the exception of course of Plasticity who actually knows more about Kratom.
Long story short: Everyone takes risks using substances and I'm no exception and never tell others what they should put in their bodies, but no useful information was given to me by Voxide and all he did was give me an attitude.
At no point did I EVER deny the dangers posed by Kratom or that it might not be a 100% safe herb to use or train on.
All it is about for me is that there is a certain way I don't speak to people and a certain way I don't let people speak to me and he crossed that line, without any apparent reason either since I thought our convo was just fine up until that point.
