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herbman420

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I curious about 5-HTP and how it specificlly relates to MDMA. From what i was reading it sounds like it helps build serotonin, so i would assume it would either increase the high you get from rolling or lessen the duration needed to achieve the same effects or both. I have no experience on this personalty and could use a little insight on the matter. Thanks!
p.s. it also sounds like something that could be incorporated into a regular diet, to help build good serotonin levels in general for anyone.
 
5-htp is the precursor to 5-HT (5-hydroxytryptamine AKA serotonin). people usually use it post-roll to help with the depression that follows and imo its a lifesaver haha. about the initial roll, there are a bunch of mixed reviews on it. some say it helps them roll harder, others say it lessens the roll (which usually happens if you take it the day OF.) theres always the risk of serotonin syndrome so idk, if you wanna make your roll check out Darksidedsams (i think thats whos it is?) pre-roll diet. just abunch of foods to help raise serotonin levels, it'd probably be alot easier :D
 
I've read that pre-diet post and it sounds very good. Incorporating a good diet in general will help serotonin levels, but he takes it to the next level. I'm totally going to give that a try. I'll always favor natural over synthetic any day (I'm a HUGE fan of organic anything as well), I'm just curious of this 5-htp stuff because for me, its really easy to just swallow a pill and call it done.
 
5-HTP is great for if you have a hangover or feel depressed after MDMA use. I almost always used it for 2-3 days after MDMA use because I get really bad hangovers/comedowns from it. But before ... don't use it within 2 days of using MDMA because you could be at risk for serotonin syndrome.
 
I have about 3 years experience with MDMA, rolls and 5-HTP and I've used the 5-HTP in several different ways. I've never found that it reduces the roll, it has the opposite effect for me.

First off, I never take it with rolls. I only take it with Molly. I've taken it with rolls many times and I often wind up overheating. Not just sweating, but feeling physically flushed and hot to the touch. My skin felt hot and I could feel steam or heat coming off my shoulders and head. I had a few times where I felt like it was bad for me and I was close to crossing a line I didn't want to cross.

I've never had any problem with 5-HTP and Molly. If I have time to plan, I take 5-HTP the day before, and then again the morning I plan to roll. Then I will take it again in the afternoon the day I plan to roll, often around 4pm. I usually take Molly after 10pm. If we take it earlier I will skip the afternoon 5-HTP.

Then at least 3 hours after taking the first Molly I will sometimes take a 5-HTP if it crosses my mind. Most times it won't cross my mind until later. LOL

I take one at come-down, and one the next morning before I eat breakfast. Lately, I have only been doing Molly since there are no clean pills lately. I don't seem to need 5-HTP for any depression reason the next day, but I've used it for that in the past for rolls that were dirty and it comes in handy for that.

My advice is to use 5-HTP with caution, watch your body temp and water consumption, and be safe. The dose of the 5-HTP that I've taken is 200mg. I would think someone who is not experienced with rolling shouldn't take it, because you need to really know your body and be able to tell is you are too hot, etc. Also know what you are taking and only take it when you know you have MDMA.
 
I still think that Tryptophan is the better option, especially seeing as you find it in common foods, such as bananas, dark chocolate, and milk/dairy products.
Simply eat some carbs / starchy foods with that and bingo you are giving your body a chance to create more serotonin without the side effects of taking a man made/produced chemical

Examples:

Egg sandwich
Crisps/ potato chips and dark chocolate
Turkey sandwich
Chicken sandwich
 
Darksidesam said:
I still think that Tryptophan is the better option, especially seeing as you find it in common foods, such as bananas, dark chocolate, and milk/dairy products.
Simply eat some carbs / starchy foods with that and bingo you are giving your body a chance to create more serotonin without the side effects of taking a man made/produced chemical

Examples:

Egg sandwich
Crisps/ potato chips and dark chocolate
Turkey sandwich
Chicken sandwich
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read what u just wrote: "create more serotonin without the side effects of taking a man made chemical" lmao what do u think MDMA is? i find it funny that u are willing to take MDMA and not 5-htp bc it is "man made" lol
 
gnarleyonaharley said:
read what u just wrote: "create more serotonin without the side effects of taking a man made chemical" lmao what do u think MDMA is? i find it funny that u are willing to take MDMA and not 5-htp bc it is "man made" lol
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If there was a more natural version of MDMA, i'm sure we'd take that instead! L-tryptothan does the exact same thing as 5-htp and the body is more ready to accept it as we're made to metabolise it, unlike 5-htp. Thats the point.
 
I use 5-HTP for it's sleep and mood boosting effect. It is also used as a dieting supplement this is why i only take it at night when i'm finished eating.

this is no magic substance and is pretty pricey. still though i give it 3 out of 5.
 
gnarleyonaharley said:
read what u just wrote: "create more serotonin without the side effects of taking a man made chemical" lmao what do u think MDMA is? i find it funny that u are willing to take MDMA and not 5-htp bc it is "man made" lol
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The point is Harm Reduction.

Yes, we are taking MDMA... a synthetic substance.

I agree with JWills.
Dark is simply saying... that with the proper supplements and natural diet, you can achieve similar (if not better) results with fewer side effects.
 
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5-HTP really helps me out post roll. I get hit hard with that hangover, so anything that helps is a godsend. Other supplements like muti-vitamins seem to really help out.

I've got a friend who seems to be pretty similar to me in terms of drug tolerance/metabolism and we had a roll together a while back; I took a multivitamin the day before, night of, and day after. Also took 5-HTP post roll and the day after. I was drinking a lot of sports drinks too. I was feeling totally normal the day after and she, wh didn't follow that regiment, was feeling like shit. That was the first time I felt half way decent after a roll and it was all due to the supplements.
 
Yes i am well aware i am ingesting a man-made chemical lol (being the mdma)

But what i am saying is, you shouldnt take 5-htp frequently , yet i can eat a high-tryptophan diet everyday if i like without side effects.
 
llama112 said:
5-HTP is great for if you have a hangover or feel depressed after MDMA use. I almost always used it for 2-3 days after MDMA use because I get really bad hangovers/comedowns from it. But before ... don't use it within 2 days of using MDMA because you could be at risk for serotonin syndrome.
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this isn't true is it? your brain is depleted of serotonin after a roll. therefore you take MDMA on the day after in order to produce more serotonin? or did you mean beforehand?? if so yeah thats true, you have excess build up of serotonin but its highly unlike it will cause any problems - it usually boosted my roll for me if i took 5-htp in the morning and then MDMA in the evening afternoon whatever.

5-htp also increases production of melatonin in the brain so it helps people sleep after a roll. but i'd just use benzos
its not good to take it regularly either your brain gets used to the excess serotonin and then when you actually need to use it you will have to up the dosage significantly, its almost addictive but not in a sense. when you stop taking it you'll feel down but not as down as you'd feel after MDMA use
 
Darksidesam said:
I still think that Tryptophan is the better option, especially seeing as you find it in common foods, such as bananas, dark chocolate, and milk/dairy products.
Simply eat some carbs / starchy foods with that and bingo you are giving your body a chance to create more serotonin without the side effects of taking a man made/produced chemical

Examples:

Egg sandwich
Crisps/ potato chips and dark chocolate
Turkey sandwich
Chicken sandwich
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^This - I roll once every month and have been certain to include food rich in Tryptophan in my diet for the last year and a half. Since I have been doing so I have not experienced any depression or rough comedowns post use. Before I became aware of tryptophan in foods I would experience depression two days after use. I don't see any reason to take 5-htp. Why should we add more chemicals to our systems if we could achieve effects naturally.
 
I tried 5-htp after my last roll. I don't get comedowns but I thought I'd try it out of curiosity. I went rollin' Saturday @ Laurent Garnier (1 pink diamond pill) then I took 100mg on the Sunday, 100mg Monday and 100mg Tuesday. I felt in a good mood throughout, better than normal and everytime I put the music on I was banging again and right into it. Extends your buzz in my opinion!
 
MDMA actually reduces the enzyme that converts tryptophan into 5-htp, which is why taking 5-htp is better than tryotophan.
 
^^^yeeus. It's called Tryptophan Hydroxylase.
I think it goes Tryptophan -> 5HTP -> 5HT (serotonin)
With lowered levels of that enzyme less Tryptophan can be converted.
 
^^ Im glad others are aware of this, as I hope everyone using MDMA knows how to use as sefely as possible. Now, a little off topic, but in addition to 5-htp, i have found the certain antioxidants to be just as benefitial to cambat toxicity. What many people dont realise is that most antioxidants do not cross the blood brain barrier. Most multivitamins do not contain these. Vit C, ALA, Grape seed extract, Resveratol, and Astaxanthin being the best that cross this barrier. Vit E and Coq10 Rasperry ketones all useless for this purpose. 5-htp will replenish seratonin, which is absolutely important, but does not address the issue of neurotoxicity due to free radicals (MDMA causes quite a bit of oxidation)
 
In my experience ice only ever used 5 htp after a roll. However one time I was just starting to comedown (Aprox 10-12 hours after my last dose of MDMA) and it caused me to roll all over again including another peak it was like two rolls for the price of 1! Any ways it definitely helps you with the comedians mental (depression, aggravation, ect.) and physical (headache, stomach pains, ect.) sided of the comedown
 
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