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Questions for users of IV tar heroin

negrogesic said:
I wish i didnt have to shoot half a gram at a time, and if the dope is low quality i have to shoot .8-1 gram.



^^^This is the most stupid, uninformed misinformation ive seen in a while. Not only does this post have no relevancy to my thread, NONE of those drugs mentioned are OTC in mexico. Even benzos were recently made controlled substances in mexico. The only thing that is truly OTC in mexico is soma and ultram. This is not to say you cant get morphine, oxycodone and whatnot, but its DEFINATELY not over the counter, and you have to find the right pharmacy that will sell you the good stuff. Even then they try to jack up the prices because what they are doing is illegal. To repeat, those drugs, even codeine, are NOT otc in mexico! Dont perpetuate misinformation.......
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shit i'm sorry dude, i'm dealing with second-hand info, i've never been to mexico:|
 
I live in West Tx and shot tar for years ..
it comes in 20 dollar papers (little piece wrapped in foil and that wal mart sack shit)
Usually with no tolerance try 1/3 of one and do another 1/3 and another 1/3 to test it.

Be sure and cook it....and cotton filter it as well...you wouldnt believe the cut in that crap.. heat it to first sign of boil with lighter... put 60 units of water on one paper do it in 20 unit bumps till you find a good dose for you.. but if you dont cook it that shit will build up in your liver causing hepatitis type reaction..


Anyways when your life is ruined from it..call your local methadone clinic. good luck
 
I myself have never touched H, however for about 1 1/2 yrs, when I worked at a methadone clinic, I treated 300 + clients that did and this was as recent as Feb this year. The clinic where I live is So. Cali, and likewise almost all the H I ever hear about in Cali is tar. The only exceptions a couple clients told me was if they went and scored from their LA sources, then sometimes they were lucky enough to score the powdered kind you were talking about.

First off, most of them said yes they cook it, while one or 2 people said they let it melt or sit in H20 or whatever liquid they were preparing it with. One guy told me he used lemon juice to break down pills b4 he shot them or 4 tar. The only problem with that is, from what I read, that shooting lemon juice can cause blindness or fuck with your vision. In terms of health, for those that IVed, I was constantly amazed at the dark colored or discolored splotches I saw on the parts of their bodies they tried to IV or when they said they were IMing, when actually they were doing sub-Q, as using a needle only 1/2" length is usually not long enough to muscle it.

I've been IV user myself for 6 years and my friend Bobby has IVed for 9 yrs, as well as Pat, longer than that and the 3 of us don't have any such dark brown/blackish pits where we IVed. Gary IVed H all the time for years in NYC and nor does he have such atrocious marks. I spoke with Gary and Bobby, and all we can figure is that Bobby, Pat, myself never did tar but meth and Gary only the white dissolvable powdered H, it has to be the shit they use to cut the H with. Also I've been told that the tar used to bring H over the border from Mexico to the USA is often times stashed in cadavers, which have formaldahyde (sp?)
 
shit i'm sorry dude, i'm dealing with second-hand info, i've never been to mexico
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I should apologize, i was over-reacting, i was probably pissed about something esle...

And that thing about tar being stashed in cadavers......that is disgusting.....
 
think i'm a tad late on this thread, i saw it last week, but at that point i didn't have anything to contribute, and since then, i now do have somethin. got my first tar (or any opiate for that matter) last week from my friends who smoke it, don't iv. i had 10 brand new needles in my room and figured i'd prefer to get a real strong first impression of heroin (okay, i was by myself w/ no other tar injectors, so it wasn't the smartest idea, but i've never really had much patience), so i decided to iv it. as i have no opiate tolerance whatsoever, and had no idea how much could get me off, i put the tiniest speck in the cooker and tried that. that didn't work, so i tried more, and worked my way up til i felt it (even that shot was still very weak, even for me - the fluid in the syringe was almost clear - i felt a slight rush, and then felt somewhat relaxed) after that, i got a bit more daring (or careless..) and put bigger chunks in, which i'd just rip off the main blob. the first time i did a shot that really hit me, i had to drive to my friend's house right after, which i don't recommend, as i'm probably lucky i didn't end up killing myself in a car crash; i felt slightly weak, and a tad nauseous while i was at this barbecue (at which my friend wasn't aware of my altered state), and it was kinda hard to keep up conversation, so i left early. if i get it again (which i hope to, but the source is kinda shaky), i definitely have a much better idea of what i'm doing, as far as how much, and how to react to the shot. so, i dunno, thought perhaps a newcomer's point of view on the topic might give someone some knowledge or somethin to think about. peace to all
 
^^^I found that first hand account interesting.

When i am shooting tar, the solution in the syringe is an opaque black/dark brown and thick, probably because i cram half a gram of good tar in a 1cc syringe.

I love that woozy, dizzy, nausea that comes after shooting a nice half gram of tar. You need to get used to the feeling, its like getting the taste for a fine wine. But dont get too used to it. I suggest that you start weighing your heroin so you know how much your shooting, so you wont be suprised or overpowered by a shot.
 
yes everyday. Either IV and/or IM. Don't measure it. By look, feel,etc. Depending where im at/from who..get in grams or bundles of 12 (i believe;with a few extra tossed in). I know what you mean about being in balloons, i believe that as well. Although i went to another state and got it once with balloons (it was good..cleaner than CA) and also just in plastic (no balloon/foil) and it isn't bad either just as good as the one w/ balloon (cheaper too).
cook it filter with cotton and micron filter (which i used to not use, i'm happy for these). The reason for the light color in the syringe is because he/she only put a tiny amount in with, im sure, alot more water (i have had to do this during bad times..keep "healthy"). Yeah there is that sludge but micron filter helps alot (i can get it w/out any sludge). Depending on the amount (h and water) yeah it can be Dark and it can be light as well as a medium in color.

health:
I few bruises (rare;it u take care right), i want to say i missed once and there was this bad spot on my arm it sucked..i was very lucky to have anti bacterial pills which cleared that problem up in days. The health issue that conserns me most is the KIDNEY or is it the liver? as well! I only noticed it a few times (forgot about it a few times until i felt it again) and because i have been using everyday i dont feel it unless i do certain things. No i dont shoot the sludge, i stop or i get it out of the syringe.
I havn't checked for hep or aids but that is another health issue for the list.

TO peaceloveunity: Dont fall for the fear of WDs it isn't as bad as people make it out (don't concentrate on it-and get some bup/suboxone/any pills to help). I'd actually tell you don't use/if that wont be an option then use rarely and keep clean and sterile all the time no matter what.



hunterdog1993 said:
Has anyone else noticed the dopelike, vinegary smell that one exudes after using dope a couple of days (or longer) then abstaining?
A friend told me recently that he can smell it even during a binge.
If this is true, could drug dogs (or even a trained human nose) mark you as a junkie even if you're not holding at the time? A scary thought. 8(
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YES. Especially lately..since i moved and have had to keep things shut all the time..i was thinking i put something like food in my boxes...it gets annoying walking from nice air to dope air. Its from cooking it..in this situation. Its easy to solve the trained nose and dogs. You dont run into dogs often..but if u go to the airport wash you clothes and put on colonge/perfume (that may not work for dogs but a human it would work better). I think it airs out..if you allow it. :)
 
Either IV and/or IM.
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If you're not going to thoroughly cook it before injection, IM is a very bad idea for heroin (or any plant source drug). This is because they're a lot more likely to be contaminated with spores of bacteria like Clostridium perfringens that can cause life threatening problems (look up gas gangrene - not while eating...) if injected into a muscle. When injected IV, the body's immune system deals with it (usually) before it has a chance to cause a problem, but in a muscle it provides almost perfect anaerobic conditions. Really, to ensure real safety, all IM shots should be heated, passed through a micron filter then reheated 5 mins later to kill any spores of Clostridium or Bacillus spp. bacteria present.

A few years ago, a batch of heroin killed a few people where I live (NE England) in the very way outlined above; the contamination was because the heroin had been stored/hidden in soil at some point. I believe the bacterium involved was one of the genus Clostridium (but not gas gangrene causing organism)
 
I have been using the search function for 20 minutes and I can't find what I am looking for. What is the difference in the manufactor process with tar vs all the rest? Is the morphine not precipated out exclusevly. Do they precipate a lot of opiates out and diactyl them? How do they do this?
 
It is not cleaned up all the way. Usually in the case of tar manufacture, the cooks do the acetylation of morphine, get heroin, and stop there. Powder involves cleaning up the product a bit more. There may be multiple reasons for this, but it probably is because the cooks do not use activated charcoal or another agent to absorb solid impurities.

I like tar because it lasts alot longer than normal dope, dirt cheap, and alot more sedating. Never heard of any health issues solely because of injecting tar itself. Just warm water, or heat just before boiling, and mix tar and it'll dissolve easily.

The solution is a very dark color though, I've even had situations where the liquid was black even after filtering multiple times. Tar does make you alot sicker though, as in nausea.
 
Acetylated morphine can be heroin, although there are other forms of acetylzed morphine. I guess you could say heroin is acetylated opium, although that is pretty misleading and heroin is only a particular part of opium that is acetylated, and only a specific acetyl molecule.
 
IMO black tar is crap. It's basically opium refluxed with glacial acetic acid. If the morphine content was 10% and you got a 50% conversion to heroin from the GAA it's still only 5 % heroin. Ratios of diacetylmorphine to acetylcodeine is about twice what you would find in opium 10-15 to 1. This can be accounted for by the fact that there are two places to acetylate on morphine and only one on codeine. There are also considerable amounts of noscapine and papaverine in black tar. I would actually like someone to show me a piece of black tar that is 90-98% heroin like some of the news shows claim. Even the Southwest Asian light tan rock heroin is loaded with noscapine and papaverine.

One of the by-products of heroin production is the creation of acetylcodine. Acetylcodine is 2x times more toxic than heroin itself, and many OD's are caused by high acetylcodine content rather than the heroin. All street heroin contains some acetlycodine in varying amounts, usually 10 to 15%. On the other hand tar heroin can contain as much as 20 to 30% acetylcodine. The bottom line is, that tar heroin is an impure product that skips many necessary steps in the manufacturing process, either due to a lack of knowledge or a desire to rush the product to market.
 
^Who says I haven't? I swear to Christ, CR, if you instigate shit with me again you will end up with a second warning. That isn't a threat, it's a promise. Keep your mouth shut.
 
Well since this thread was dug up, I'll ask here:
I have B-D (brand) 19g "FILTER NEEDLE W/ 5 MICRON FILTER"
A micron filter built into the tip of the needle. I also have all the other parts for the rig of course. Is this suitable for drawing tar though as a way to clean it up? Of course I have a much, much smaller gauge rig that I would transfer the solution to, but will this filter needle do the job, and if so, is that all I would need to do with regards to filtering? I hope someone is familiar with this type of needle/filter... soundpharm maybe??
 
[EDIT- You posted your reply directly under mine. I'm getting really sick of your challenging me.]-Pdx
 
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fastandbulbous said:
Really, to ensure real safety, all IM shots should be heated, passed through a micron filter then reheated 5 mins later to kill any spores of Clostridium or Bacillus spp. bacteria present.
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I thought I read somewhere that you actually have to boil several minutes to kill bacteria, or is this just because, say, the first second of the boil you killed all the bacteria and x minutes later you're killing the spores?
 
negrogesic said:
I will try for older people down there to score me dope. And is "the foot bridge in TJ" some sort of establishment near revolution street in tijuana (the main tourist area where you first start seeing alot of pharmacies and "phamacia veterinaria")
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no. the footbridge an actual bridge for getting back to the american side of the border. it's over on the TJ side... i see fights and shit break out there all the time. tar is definately a lot better in Mexico. but PD is right. Tar is a very sloppy poor job of heroin production.
what's wrong with having papaver in the mix though?
 
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