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Questions about Mimosa Hostilis

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fnog9

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Hello People,

Question 1

I am interested in the discussion anal usage of mimosa hostilis as a form of taking ayahuasca. Reason: can't keep mimosa down long enough for absorption. I created a new thread because after searching, I don't think this topic has been thoroughly discussed, only bits on info, so I thought I'd re-spawn the topic. Serious replies only please.

So I was thinking of taking syrian rue orally would be ok as it's not too nauseating. Then taking room temperature mimosa extract in water and administering rectally. Anyone have experience doing this sort of thing? The brew would be mimosa extract and water only, maybe a little lemon juice. No alcohol or complicated chemical mixtures or anything like that.

Couple questions I have about it.

= how much water should you take in?

= how long does it need to be kept in?

= would the effect be the same? Almost everywhere I read says, "MAOI's allow DMT to become active ORALLY". So I'm wondering if you get your MAOI dose, does the DMT still become active if taken anally? And if so, is it as potent as oral use? I have read that things taken anally are in fact absorbed faster. Alcohol enema, for example, is actually more potent than drinking. So what I'm looking for is someone to come here and either confirm or deny the potency of anal DMT containing herbs.

= Is it actually easier to keep it in? Say you use 15g of mimosa, get it down to 70ml, will that burn your ass really bad? And will this blend cause a strong involuntary purging reaction quickly?

= And this question is for people who know about enemas and health. Is it worse for your body to take it anally? I mean, is it like way worse for your liver or other organs (prostate maybe?) to take chemicals anally?

I have myself taken enemas. It's not easy keeping it in. I've only used water, and over 200ml becomes hard for me to keep in for more than a minute. If it decides it wants to come out, nothing is going to stop it. It's like trying to bench press a water fall. Holding it in for a half hour or so would be a challenge..... especially if the trip started before that time is even up. lol.

Question 2

Hello.

I found a site which says that tannic acid is neutralized by milk. So anyone try adding milk to mimosa? And have success? Thanks.

here's the site http://www.appliedhealth.com/nutri/page8477.php
 
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Ionno if you would need an MAOI if you took DMT rectally. I think the MAO that breaks down DMT is in the stomach but I am not sure about the end of the digestive tract.
 
I've heard of breaking egg whites into mimosa to absorb the tannins but not milk.
 
Fnog9 I merged these threads of yours, please use this thread for all your other questions about Mimosa, maybe the other one of yours for Ayahuasca preparation questions.
OK for now if you think it doesn't belong in the big mega-threads but not OK if you create a new thread every time you think of something... ;)
Thanks
 
gelatin/jello also coagulates tannins.

while i haven't tried it, i believe you would want to combine a rectal syrian rue tea with the rectal administration of dmt. because the rectum is the end of the digestive tract, is is still full of mao enzymes that wouldn't get deactivated by oral syrian rue.
 
Solipsis said:
Fnog9 I merged these threads of yours, please use this thread for all your other questions about Mimosa, maybe the other one of yours for Ayahuasca preparation questions.
OK for now if you think it doesn't belong in the big mega-threads but not OK if you create a new thread every time you think of something... ;)
Thanks
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ah, ok no problem. Except this thread is primarily about enema usage, but my title is gone. lol.

Delsyd said:
how true is this egg whites theory?
Any experience with it?
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According to users at this site, if you boil the mimosa water and put an egg in it, the tannic acid will bind to the egg and you'll be able to strain it out. From my understanding you will actually be able to see the substance on the egg but I have never done this personally.

greenmeanies said:
gelatin/jello also coagulates tannins.

while i haven't tried it, i believe you would want to combine a rectal syrian rue tea with the rectal administration of dmt. because the rectum is the end of the digestive tract, is is still full of mao enzymes that wouldn't get deactivated by oral syrian rue.
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Well, it is inevitable that SOMEONE will attempt anal ways of doing this. And when that someone does it, reports shall be given. Comparative reports comparing experiences oral vs anal with respect to comfort, strength, and length of trip, and if it matters if maoi is taken orally or anally. I have a feeling that anal trips last shorter bc things are absorbed faster by anal route. My research on anal cacti is also inconclusive. Some say the effects are lessened by about half, and others say the effects are increased. And also, not all reports of anal users report being nausea free. I have read reports of anal cacti users feeling fine for 4 hours, but then having severe cramps and vomiting.

I did research a little bit about tannic acid and enemas. Apparently, in the past, pure tannic acid was used as enemas, until it was banned for causing liver damage and death. That's pure tannic acid. I don't know exactly how much tannic acid is in 15g of mimosa. Probably not very harmful doses. Tannic acid will constrict your bowels. Tannic acid is used to help stop diareah. But to be safe one would probably want to perform the gelatin or egg thing, or just avoid mimosa enemas, or just use other dmt carrying herbs, if you are afraid of the tannic acid in mimosa.

So far all my searches for anal use threads all fizzle out. People discuss without getting any answers, and then the thread is dead. Well I promise that I won't let this thread fizzle. When experiments are done, results shall be made known. It could take a while though.
 
I think you'd be better off making a brew out of the mimosa rather than putting the powder up your arsehole. It would be absolutely nausea free but beware anal leakage where most of the mimosa ends up trickling down your thigh.

The longer you keep it in the better - 30 mins minimum.

Anything you can eat can also be absorbed by the rectum. But you want to make sure the solution is pH neutral as acidic solutions arn't good for the lining of the rectum.
 
Fnog what I did is put your questions together, so the title is now also a more general one. I'm sorry but different questions about a similar topic don't deserve separate threads cause of cluttering. Carry on then. :)
 
PART 1 of the Experiment.

Both Torch Cactus and Mimosa have been tried orally. Neither could be kept down for more than a half hour. Though I did not think mimosa TASTED particularly bad, it produced the worst nausea of ever, lasting a good 12 hours. Or maybe it was the Syrian Rue that caused the nausea. Both were God awful, and mimosa was definitely the worst thing I've ever barfed up. Trips were mild, and couldn't help but note to myself many times, "I would probably enjoy this if I wasn't in such great discomfort". The ayahuasca was probably the worst physical experience of my life. I was so dizzy and nauseous I couldn't even open my eyes for hours, let alone move. Cactus I just barfed up a few times, but was still quite awful, though not on the same level as ayahuasca. If I took ayahuasca first I probably would never have tried cactus. This is unacceptable. Not only would I be unwilling to ingest either of these things again, but I would be absolutely incapable of it. Just the thought of them makes me gag.

Anyway, part 1 of the experiment. Things were taken orally and violently rejected by the body. Nausea beyond anything I would have imagined. It wouldn't have even matter how much product I took because I barfed it all up very quickly anyway, and my body can only absorb so much in that short time.

So part 2 will be to see how anal ingestion compares to this........ but I think it will be a while before I gather the nerve to go near any of these things again.
 
Delsyd said:
how true is this egg whites theory?
Any experience with it?
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No, I've never tried it because I don't think the tannins have anything to do with the nausea. I've used moclobemide and the purest extracted DMT possible and still puked up pigs in a blanket like a sick fucking dog.
 
I recently gave the mimosa jello method from that shroomery thread a shot and would definitely recommend it! There was no nausea, no purge and no bad taste. At all. Which really surprised me as it was also my strongest oral dmt experience so far, with a come up that could've easily given me some nausea by itself. 8o

Now I haven't tried this again yet so I guess it could be a fluke, but I did do the freebase in cola thing several times in the past and that still gave me some nausea and/or vomiting every single time. Mostly it wasn't that bad, but still always there.

As it stands now, I can't see any reason for me to eat extracted dmt ever again!

(All of this was with moclobemide as a MAOI, I haven't experimented with harmala alkaloids yet but from what I've read they will always give you some degree of nausea.)
 
Personally I think the minimal volume you could boil down a brew to is still a literal pain in the ass to take IR. Therefore it doesn't sound like a viable option.
 
electric spirit said:
As it stands now, I can't see any reason for me to eat extracted dmt ever again!
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You sometimes get lucky with ayahuasca/pharmahuasca. I've had times where i've had no nausea bu eventually whichever method you use you're puking up pigs in a blanket.
 
electric spirit said:
I recently gave the mimosa jello method from that shroomery thread a shot and would definitely recommend it! There was no nausea, no purge and no bad taste. At all. Which really surprised me as it was also my strongest oral dmt experience so far, with a come up that could've easily given me some nausea by itself. 8o

Now I haven't tried this again yet so I guess it could be a fluke, but I did do the freebase in cola thing several times in the past and that still gave me some nausea and/or vomiting every single time. Mostly it wasn't that bad, but still always there.

As it stands now, I can't see any reason for me to eat extracted dmt ever again!

(All of this was with moclobemide as a MAOI, I haven't experimented with harmala alkaloids yet but from what I've read they will always give you some degree of nausea.)
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im a bit confused by the instructions on shroomery... when you add the jello doesnt the whole thing congeal? in the instructions it says to add jello, wait 10 minutes, then strain. im assuming this means strain the congealed "parts" out or something. however in the end it says it makes it easier to eat cause you can break off pieces and swallow it.... not sure how to figure this, any advice on the meaning of this last part?
 
Yeah I know, time will tell I suppose...

Still, the fact that this actually gave me less nausea than any previous experience with pure freebase in coke while at the same time being a much stronger trip gives me some hope. Then again maybe the dose/intensity doesn't make much of a difference, I don't know... Dmt is weird.

One time it was coming up pretty strong without any nausea, and then right after the peak started, without any warning, I violently threw up all of my stomach contents. After about 30 seconds of puking I felt fine again, apart from the fact that the trip was completely gone! I went from having wild visuals and a deep tryptamine headspace to sober in less than a minute, I don't even understand how that's possible...

Other times I'm sick as a dog for almost the whole trip but can't vomit even if I try.

So yeah, I realize there's a good chance that I just got lucky this time, but if it turns out otherwise I'll let you know. :)
 
thanks fm, i actually did right after posting this... i understand it better but it still seems a bit confusing, guess ill just have to give it a try this afternoon and see how it works out
 
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