Benzos questions about klonopin,rohypnol and benzo tolerance

[Ham-milton]

...and I remember it was him because of his avatar and his style of writing. They stand out.

Because the style is so plebian?

 

[mewmew2]

Just to give you my experience - I take 4mg a day of Klonopin. When I took 2.5mg of rohypnol, it was nice, I could actually feel it. To me, it felt like the first time I ever took .5mg of xanax (with zero tolerance). Just providing my experience, no medical, scientific or other proof.

 

[MattPsy]

They see me rollin
They hatin
Patrolling they tryin to catch me ridin dirty
Tryin to catch me ridin dirty

lolololll
(I have little idea why this came to mind but it seems terribly appropriate, hahah )

 

[hatethered]

hey mewmew how long you been taking 4mg klonopin a day?

 

[GenericMind]

The next person to blatantly flame in this thread is getting a warning. Leave your personal opinions about other posters out of this thread and out of OD.

 

[hatethered]

yeah this simple thread got out of control

 

[mewmew2]

hey mewmew how long you been taking 4mg klonopin a day?

About 6 months, before that it was 6 months of 2mg and before that it was years of whatever benzo's I could get (not daily, it was off and on) but equal to 1-2 mg or so klonopin (according to normal benzo equivalently charts). I'll be happy to answer any other questions you have.

 

[hatethered]

yeah,you took 2.5mg rohypnol and just felt good.
i was wishing i could pop 1-2mg of it and get really high

 

[mewmew2]

yeah,you took 2.5mg rohypnol and just felt good.
i was wishing i could pop 1-2mg of it and get really high

I hear ya' man. It didn't live up to the hype for me, but benzo tolerance is a major bitch. When I received the pills I thought it would be the holy grail of benzos and I could feel fantastic, but just feeling it at all was a major breakthrough. I would have taken more if I knew now what I did when I received them. They are still available to me, but the price is to high compared to other benzos that will get me through the day and I can also get that same feeling from much cheaper xanax (a slight increase in dosage (like with 4.5mg of xanax I can feel a slight buzz/calm). The whole point of my rambling is that rohypnol is waaaay over-rated and I wanted to give you some insight on my experience.

 

[phatass]

4mg rohypnol will get you far more high/buzzed/benzoed out than 4mg k-pin...

 

[mewmew2]

4mg rohypnol will get you far more high/buzzed/benzoed out than 4mg k-pin...

True, but it won't get you that fucked up if you have a longstanding tolerance to high doses on klonopin.

 

[Morphinator]

I have also made mention of how way overrated flunitrazepam is. I found it to be strong, but it most definitely does not live up to its reputation. As a hypnotic benzo, it is quite sedating and very relaxing, but I have never found it to be really euphoric. It also takes longer to kick in when you compare it to other hypnotic benzos, which almost all typically have a very quick onset.
Everytime I took flunitrazepam, I started to feel the effects about 40-45 minutes after consumption (much like alprazolam, but alprazolam seems to vary a lot and sometimes it takes 45-60 mns for to kick in and others I feel it in about 30 mins). Every other hypnotic benzo I have ever done I can usually start feeling the first effects at the 15-20 min mark, and at 30-45 minutes later I'm completely blowed. Triazolam I can sometimes feel like 10 minutes after I take it, no joke. But most times it kicks in about 30 minutes after, but damn...it hards like a ton of bricks. It's very very powerful and overwhelming. Nitrazepam and temazepam I don't notice much variation in their onset - I always start feeling the first effects about 20 minutes after I take either of them, and 20 minutes later, I'm in a completely different world. They are so euphoric, relaxing/calming, and I'm just very very heavily sedated and italways feels absolutely blissful.

So flunitrazepam definitely get's spanked by some other hypnotic benzos - it's amnesic effects are so grossly over exaggerated, it's almost funny. Triazolams and midazolams amnesic effects are considerably more powerful. I have a huge tolerance to benzos, and whenever I take triazolam, it knocks me flat out on my ass and it's the benzo I have most amnesia and memory problems with - ALWAYS.

Flunitrazepam's hypnotic effects are also a bit exaggerated. It is a very strong hypnotic, don't get me wrong, just that it's overrated. Both temazepam and nitrazepam easily have stronger hypnotic effects. I tag team nitrazepam and temazepam all the time because I find them to be extremely similar in almost everyway, besides a few minor difference between them - like nitrazepam gives me hangovers the next day and when I'm on it I get more ataxia - which happens with temazepam too, but just not as often, and temazepam seems to always have a stronger amnesic effect and at times stronger hypnotic/sedatipm effects, but that could be other factors. Other than these those minor differences, the time it takes for them to kick in is like the same, the hypnotic effects are the same most of the time (temazepam seems to have a harder effect SOMETIMES), and most importantly of course...they are actually EUPHORIC unlike the vast majority of other benzos. The only other euphoric benzos I found were nimetazepam - though I did this only in Bali in Indonesia and the pills could have been nitrazepam or some other long acting hypnotic benzo, because some say that they would sell diazepam as nimetazepam there - but I am an experienced benzo user and I know that was no diazepam. Diazepam is nowhere near as strong as those pills were and the feeling was just different from diazepam. It felt like a typical hypnotic benzo - overwhelming hypnotic effect, hard to keep knees stable, etc.
It felt like nitrazepam, flunitrazepam, and temazepam, but stronger (without the shitty total knock out and complete memory blank common with triazolam and midazolam). They are available in Japan as prescription sleeping pills in only 5 mg tablets, and I believe they are also still available in Malaysia as sleeping pills, but it's treated like the way they treat morphine there (very, very harsh treatment - a prescription for it is very very rare; temazepam is also bad news in Malaysia - ironically, Malaysian authorities actually seize more diverted temazepam than nimetazepam according to stats I've read). In Japan, which is the only nation outside Western Europe and North America that is a true and stable democracy, it's basically the most technologically advanced nation on earth understands how to schedule drugs (unlike most other Asian nations which throw you in prison for have a small bag of weed or 1 pill of XTC. In Japan, the schedule which nimetazepam is placed in a step above other benzos (though flunitrazepam, triazolam, temazepam, and flutoprazepam are placed in the same schedule; flunitrazepam because of its reputation worldwide and high rates of abuse in Japan; temazepam also because it has had a bad image and its abuse in Japan is quite high - forgeries for temazepam is a problem there - temazepam accounts for most benzo prescription forgies; triazolam is apparently another major benzo of abuse in Japan; flutoprazepam is also apparently highly sought after and heavily abused in Japan - never tried that one, but would love to someday). All the other benzos are scheduled a step down from those, and are commonly prescribed. I believe I once read (not too long ago that oxazepam was the #1 prescribed benzo in Japan and as a result of easy acess and widespread prescriptions for it, there is a problem with its abuse also. However, none of the harder benzos, including nimetazepam, flutoprazepam, flunitrazepam, and temazepam are placed in schedules where morphine, heroin, fentanyl, hydromorphone, cocaine, methamphetamine, dextroamphetamine, and meperidine (Demerol) also occupy. The Japanese are smart, we've got to give them that man.

Like Australia - placing flunitrazepam and temazepam under Schedule 8 - alongside hardcore, drugs capable of causing severe and often horrific drug addictions that are at worst impossible to break free from (sad, but actually very true), or at best, extremly difficult to the point where being put in a psychiatric hospital is the only other optioj, emotional & physical pain, deterioration of the body, ie. skeletal appearance, major and severe depression, suicide is common, and death from various illnesses caused by the drugs in this schedule like morphine, heroin, methamphetamine, dextroamphetamine, cocaine, hydromorphone, and fentanyl. Also listed here are Secobarbital, Amobarbital, and Pentobarbital.

And then get this, in the same country - Australia (a western, developed nation), regular amphetamine, oxycodone, hydrocodone, codeine (when as a single entity - no apap, asa, etc), and methadone are listed in a schedule just below the one listed above.

Below the above there is all the benzos (of course, not flunitrazepam and temazepam though - but everything else from alprazolam to you name it), weak stimulants, other weak sedatives/hypnotics (zopiclone, zolpidem, etc), generally drugs which have little recreational value and aren't widely abused.

Then there are the various different schedules which list things like toxic & hazardous chemicals and things of that nature, no drugs of abuse in those.

It's a bit of a different system from what we have here in Canada and the United States (Canada and the U.S. have very similar scheduling of drugs - though flunitrazepam is not commercialized in either country I believe and temazepam requires specially coded prescriptions in certain American states. ).

 

[ffazil2002]

To answer your question, 4 mg clonazepam would roughly be equivalent to 8 mg flunitrazepam according to most equivalency charts. *But* DO NOT take 8 mg of flunitrazepam. Like I said, the hypnotics are typically stronger and risk for amnesia, respiratory depression, toxicity, other problems, and ultimately death, are greater (numerous studies have shown the hypnotic benzos are more fatal than previously thought - especially flunitrazepam, nitrazepam, and temazepam - read the Swedish study I posted),

What I read from different studies, you cant die when you get rohypnol along, no matter how much. It is fatal only when you take it with alcohol or other similar drugs. I would like to know other people's comment.

 

[Morphinator]

What I read from different studies, you cant die when you get rohypnol along, no matter how much. It is fatal only when you take it with alcohol or other similar drugs. I would like to know other people's comment.

That is completely not true, and it is very dangerous to believe such things. However, if you do have an actual scientific paper backing that claim, I'd love to read it. All benzodiazepines can kill you on their own when given taken in massive dose, but the hypnotc benzos are particularily toxic.

A study done in Britain in the early '90's made it clear that there are major fundamental difference between all benzos. I have posted the study on this forum, and you can find it here: Temazepam. It is under the "Toxicity" section of the article. I know it's temazepam's wikipeda page, and wik generally has a bad reputation (though most of the articles on wiki aren't too bad and most are well referenced, but sometimes spammers and morons ruin things for eveyone. However though, almost every sentence or every second or third sentence in the temazepam article is referenced with a scientific study. Honestly, I think it (wiki's temazepam article) is the most factual, neutral, best written, and most well referenced article of any article on drugs of abuse. It was a German man that did the vast majority of the work on the temazepam article.

The British study showed that you can die from any benzodiazepine OD, but it also showed that there were fundamental differences between different benzos. Some were more toxic than others - they had more profound effects on respiration, heart rate, blood pressure, and the like. Those were the hypnotics. In the study, temazepam (fatal index of 11.9 - 95% confidence interval 10.9 to 12.8 range) was by far the most toxic benzo, the least toxic was oxazepam (fatal index of 2.3 (1.2 to 3.4 range). All benzos combined had an average of 5.7 fatality index - that is with temazepam's ratings which helped bring up the overall average.

In separate findings in several countries, after the British study & data from before the British study, were all looked at and study - the findings were consistent with the findings of the British study: temazepam was a drug that was much more lethal than previously thought.

More studies and findings were done. In Sweden, nitrazepam, temazepam, and flunitrazepam account for 90% of benzodiazepine suicides (of which temazepam is responsible for the majority). In Sweden, there are only 4 hypnotics that are prescribeable for insomnia, they are: zopiclone, flunitrazepam, nitrazepam, and temazepam. Zopiclone is typically prescribed first, but flunitrazepam and nitrazepam may also be prescribed as first line drugs to treat insomnia. Temazepam is placed in a tighter drug schedule in Sweden and is second line treatment for severe insomnia. It is used primarily for the treatment of severe insomnia that has not responded to any of the other 3 treatments, sometimes doctors are even reluctant to prescribe it and will instead prescribe things like bromazepam or oxazepam (or both - one to help you get to sleep quick: the bromo; and the other to keep you asleep since oxazepam takes about 2-3 hrs for it to kick in).

In Australia, temazepam is associated with serious crime:

In a survey of police detainees carried out by the Australian Government, both legal and illegal users of benzodiazepines were found to be more likely to have lived on the streets, less likely to have been in full time work, and more likely to have used heroin or methamphetamines in the past 30 days from the date of taking part in the survey. Benzodiazepine users were also more likely to be receiving illegal incomes and more likely to have been arrested or imprisoned in the previous year. Benzodiazepines were sometimes reported to be abused alone, but most often formed part of a poly drug-using problem. Female users of benzodiazepines were more likely than men to be using heroin, whereas male users of benzodiazepines were more likely to report amphetamine use. Benzodiazepine users were more likely than non-users to claim government financial benefits, and benzodiazepine users who were also poly-drug users were the most likely to be claiming government financial benefits. Problem benzodiazepine use can be associated with crime. Those who reported using benzodiazepines alone were found to be in the mid range when compared to other drug using patterns in terms of property crimes and criminal breaches. Of the detainees reporting benzodiazepine use, one in five reported injection use, mostly of illicit temazepam, but some reported injecting prescribed temazepam or more rarely, other benzodiazepines. Injection was a concern in this survey due to increased health risks. The main problems highlighted in this survey were concerns of dependence, the potential for overdose of benzodiazepines in combination with opiates and the health problems associated with injection of benzodiazepines. The most consequential, and by far most commonly-abused benzodiazepine, was temazepam. In the U.S. several jurisdictions have reported that benzodiazepine abuse by criminal detainees has surpassed that of opiates


SOURCES:

Benzodiazepine use and harms among police detainees in Australia. Australian Institute of Criminology (May 2007).

Yacoubian GS. (Jan 2003). "Correlates of benzodiazepine use among a sample of arrestees surveyed through the Arrestee Drug Abuse Monitoring (ADAM) Program." 38 (1): 127-39. Substance use & misuse

Flunitrazepam has also been associated with very serious crime, and not just date rape. Speaking of date rape, flunitrazepam is not alone among benzos used to faciliate date rape. Midazolam and Temazepam are used just as commonly nowadays (especially with flunitrazepam being scare).

Triazolam has been linked to disturbing behavioral problems, among other things, including delirium, freightening hallucinations, and bizarre thought processes.

Flurazepam also has a high fatality index and it is extremely long acting.

I can get into much more detail explaining each hypnotic benzo and their toxicity.

But the point is, they can kill you alone.

Studies have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that temazepam is the most toxic benzo, another one says that nitrazepam, temazepam, and flunitrazepam are equally toxic. Yet, other speculate that nimetazepam might be the most toxic according to some data aquired in lab tests (but the research wasnt well controlled and not really a "study"). Flutoprazepam has been responsible for fatalities in Japan, where it is prescribed as a sleeping pill - it's highly potent.

 

[ffazil2002]

That is completely not true, and it is very dangerous to believe such things. However, if you do have an actual scientific paper backing that claim, I'd love to read it. All benzodiazepines can kill you on their own when given taken in massive dose, but the hypnotc benzos are particularily toxic.

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So does it mean that I can die for taking 3-4mg of rohypnol alone or 0.5-0.75 mg Halcion alone? What would be the safe range? and what effects I can expect?

 

[hatethered]

yo you hijacked my thread,lol with no tolerance 3-4mg of rohypnol is too much. i would take .5mg rohypnol with no tolerance. i have a 4mg klonopin a day tolerance so i would take 1-2mg my first dose with it..and with halcion with no tolerance, take .25mg, or .5mg at the MOST

So does it mean that I can die for taking 3-4mg of rohypnol alone or 0.5-0.75 mg Halcion alone? What would be the safe range? and what effects I can expect?

 

[Psych0naut]

It's just theoretical literature that 1mg Rohypnol equals 10mg Valium and 0,5mg Rivotril, but Rohypnol is a rarity and not much studies have been done on it. In practice it obviously proves to be much more potent, the person who says 4mg Rivotril is equal to 8mg Rohypnol obviously has never actually done both. 8mg of Rohypnol will put even heavilly tolerant people out like a light, that can be said with certainty. I've even done Rivotril IV on several occasions, I have the ampoules from Roche. I also have a prescription for Rohypnol because of very severe insomnia, as well as a Dormicum prescription on top of that. I've done a mere 15 different benzodiazepines, some of them even IM and IV, and I can tell you with certainty that Rivotril orally is like a baby brother to Rohypnol.

Like Hamilton said, there are no benzo's comparable to Rohypnol, it's the most abuseable benzo with the highest euphoria factor in the world. It's the only benzodiazepine that causes profound euphoria at medical doses in test subjects.

Dormicum and Halcion do cause more amnesia, but they have a duration of less than an hour, while Rohypnol has a duration of 12+ hours.

 

[Ham-milton]

Like Hamilton said, there are no benzo's comparable to Rohypnol, it's the most abuseable benzo with the highest euphoria factor in the world. It's the only benzodiazepine that causes profound euphoria at medical doses in test subjects.

I don't think I said that, did I? I don't stand by that claim. There are definitely benzos of equal or better recreational value, though they're far more unavailable.

 

[Psych0naut]

Flunitrazepam, despite being less potent, is a stronger benzo. Once you can't get high on benzos anymore- and that day comes eventually- flunitrazepam will still knock you out.

Potency is not equal to strength.

Refference for Ham-milton

sorry dude but morphinator is full of shit. POTENCY *DOES* equal Strength. and if you think klonopin isnt strong acting, your fucking fooling yourself. but noone else. when your on it you think all is great! others around you see you as a trashed motherfucker. i promise.
and dude, with your tolerance, i would DEFINATLY take 8 mg royhyp to get high. sure theres an incomplete cross tolerance, so maybe 6, but man it is NOT STRONGER than klonopin in ANY WAY.
morphiator, you may *feel* (subjective. tis way too subjective) more euphoric off royhyp. this does not mean taht it is stronger than klonopin. most people i know cant walk for 2 days if they take kpin. it is the king, halcion is the queen, and xanax is there best friend who chills with them at all times, so i guess they have threesomes.
royhypnol is there slave girl, who is still pretty sexy, but nothing like the royalties.

I'm sorry to say you're saying shit. Potency does not equal strength. You want to say 20mg Valium is the same as 50mg Librium and 1mg Xanax? You're wrong. I doubt you've ever even taken Rohypnol. Rivotril isn't strong acting. People with anxiety issues are the only ones that really view benzo's as euphoric, but that's because they supress their anxiety which feels like a big relief to them, which in turn they decieve as euphoria. If you give someone with anxiety issues an anxiolytic benzo, he'll suddenly feels good and probaply euphoric. If you give the same anxiolytic to someone who doesn't have any anxiety issues, he doesn't feel anything, maybe just a bit slow. Rivotril is a very good anticonvulsant and also a reasonable anxiolytic so it will certainly give people with anxiety a nice feeling, a feeling of relief which they sometimes interpret as euphoria. But if you give a hypnotic to non-anxiety suffering people in a normal dose, they will feel nice too, this is because they cause a, don't know the English words for it, but a somewhat tipsy feeling. The only way I found Rivotril worth my time was when I shot an ampoule, I did a 2mg Wafer earlier on this evening becaus I found one in my drawer, it did barely a thing. That 2mg Rivotril should be equal to 4mg Rohypnol according to you. If I take 2mg Rohypnol I'm out like a light in 10 minutes, and I already start to get dead tired in a few minutes. 1mg Rohypnol or 1,5mg is max for me, and I've been taking the strongest benzo's commercially available for a few months so I certainly have a fairly high tolerance. If I would compare the two, 1-1,5mg Rohypnol would equal 4mg Rivotril. Beside from being the ultimate high potency hypnotic benzo(The name given to it by the German medical councel), it also has strong anxiolytic, anticonvulsant, sedative and skeletal muscle relaxing properties, Rivotril doesn't equal Rohypnol on all these properties. All the strong hypnotics share the same featm they are superior on all those properties, the only reason they are solely used for insomnia is because you can't live your day to day live if you had to take them for anxiety or as anticonvulsant, they are just too overpowering. Anxiolytics are the light versions of benzo's. All in all it's clear from my gallery and the "three kings" picture and it's comments that Rohypnol is the king of all benzo's, together with Dormicum, and Loramet(Halcion no more, it's weak rubbish too, Dormicum crushes it).

sorry man but you need to do some reading.
KONOPIN IS the strongest anticonvulsant MUCH stronger in that sense than royhyp as well. infact kpin is the only one i know of that is INDICATED directly as an anti convulstant for the use of epilepsy
jesus.
whatever this will go nowehere so i will peacefuly step out now and I agree to diagree with you. hope you do the same, but do soem reading becsaue you are wrong, and kpin has a PROFOUND MOTHERFUCKING effect on memory. it wipes people out. its STRONG as fuck man, you try and telll anyon kpin doesnt get you wasted youll be laughed out of the city
peace

Rohypnol and Dormicum are the strongest anticonvulsants, much stronger than Rivotril. The only reason Rivotril is so common as anticonvulsant is because it doesn't affect your judgement in day to day life when taking it to preven seizures. Many other hypnotics have much more profound anticonvulsant effects as well, but just as with Rohypnol, they are just way too powerfull to take while having to perform day to day things, that's why they are only used as hypnotics.

Temazepam:

It is a powerful hypnotic benzodiazepine which possesses strong sedative, amnestic and motor impairing properties.[1] In addition, temazepam also has strong anxiolytic, anticonvulsant, and skeletal muscle relaxant properties. Temazepam, which is an intermediate acting benzodiazepine, acts quickly to induce sleep.

Temazepam also possesses strong anticonvulsant properties and it has been used to manage seizures in adults. Though it is highly effective, its use as an anticonvulsant is rare due to its strong sedative and motor impairing properties. Temazepam is also a potent anxiolytic, skeletal muscle relaxant, and a strong amnestic. Its use as an anticonvulsant, anxiolytic, and skeletal muscle relaxant would be considered off-label, and though highly effective, its sedative, motor impairing, and hypnotic properties make it undesirable for such uses.

This goes for Mogadon and Loramet too, but I'm too lazy do copy and paste it all. Rivotril doesn't cause much amnesia, ofcourse this is dose dependent like with al benzo's, but in comparance it causes little amnesia. Rohypnol is infamous for wiping out your entire memory. Ofcourse Rivo's can get you wasted, it isn't a shitty benzo, it actually has some nice effects I certainly like, and IV Rivotril is really good. But let's face it's just an average common benzo.

Meh, that's pretty rare, and I don't think it happens at all with experienced users. I dunno for sure, though.

But yeah- there's just no way to compare the effects of something like flunitrazepam.

Flunitrazepam is probably the most abuseable benzo in the world.

Nitrazepam is "okay" abuseable. Not great, not bad. You add an N-methyl, and all of a sudden you've got what is probably one of the most heavily abused benzos in the world- the beloved Erimin, Nimetazepam.

Unlike the anxiolytic benzos, these have a 9-Nitro group. That seems to make them way more abuseable.

Not that 9-Halo substitutions don't make for recreational drugs. They are, but not as much.

I wonder how Temazepam would feel if it had a 9-Nitro group in place of the Chloro. And instead of the unsubstituted phenyl, a 2-fluorophenyl...

man, that'd be dy-no-mite!

Referrence for Ham-milton

dude, just take 8mg or better yet, take more. ur tolerance should hold.

Don't listen to the advice of this dumb fuck, he probaply doesn't even know what a benzo is.

man, just becasue someone tells you it feels stronger high to tehm, does NOT mean its going to be that way for you. it COULD, but it could also feel weak as fuck. 2 mg royhypnol is equipotent to 1 mg kpin. would one mg kpin get you fucked up? no. but there is an incomplete cross tolerance, im sure youll feel something, but not much off only a mg or 2. im guessing youll need at least 6 if not 10(mg)

I did a bloody 15 different benzo's, I've shot several of them as ampoules, I study chemisty with biochemistry as a major, so it's not just someone who is telling him it. And like I said, those comparance charts are not reliable, they are pretty flawed. I've been on a Rohypnol prescription for some months as well as Dormicum blue bombers. And I have a hell of a lot of experience with Roofies, as well as Rivotril in all it's wonderfull forms(tablets, liquid droplets and ampoules) 1mg Rivotril is not equipotent to 2mg Rohypnol, it's rather the other way round. Hatethered, don't listen to this retarded advice, don't take so muc pills, I know you're smart so you wouldn't do it anyway, but I'm going to say it to warn other people as well.

Again, you are not understanding what we are saying.

Nobody claimed clonazepam wasn't strong or that it wasn't recreational, just that it isn't at the top. Nobody said lorazepam was any good, in fact, I hate lorazepam and think it's not recreational at all. I only stated a fact: that it is a stronger anticonvulsant then clonazepam and is more often used in epilepsy.
Your list of most "heavily abused" benzos is not right at all, not according to actual statistics and studies done on benzo abuse.
Clonazepam, alprazolam, and probably diazepam are the most abused in the USA, but the U.S. is not the world, and just in case you didn't know, but there is a whole world out there.
It's well established and well known that flunitrazepam and temazepam are the most heavily abused benzos worldwide - hence why these two benzos alone are put under more restrictive drug schedules in many countries across the world. Some may think that that kind of status is undeserved, but it's the reality. Flunitrazepam's notoriety has come from it's reputation as a "date rape drug" and it's association with the rave scene and ecstasy, and temazepam was/is heavily abused by those that have their finger on the "self-destruct" button (the very down and out types, the homeless, the very darkest and most hardcore part of the drug scene was where temazepam was mostly found). Many people like to inject temazepam, and its association with crack cocaine users and heroin injectors has made it the "barbiturate" among the benzos. So as far as most abused, flunitrazepam and temazepam are the two - statistics from many countries across the globe have made that clear as glass.

Nitrazepam is not even available in the US, but it is almost everywhere else in the world. It's misuse is also well documented, unlike clonazepam and alprazolam (which are mostly an American thing). Guess what though? Alprazolam is the #1 most prescribed benzo in the U.S., and clonazepam is close behind it at #2. So go figure.

Diazepam can also be considered a major benzo of abuse, but that's mostly because it is the most widely available across the world.

Another thing that I already posted (and you probably didn't even read, or could not comprehend) was actual cases from medical literature describing temazepam's and nitrazepam's withdrawals. Also of them being extremely toxic compared to all other benzos (including being carcinogenic, photogenotoxic, photocytotoxic, and a number of other problems associated with their use).

Amen to anything you just said, It's all well backed up by literature. I'm not even going to explain further cause my man already did it for me, but this just proves it again ..

the dude got his answer now anyways and is satisfied so i think the thread should be closed beacsue no one wants to read any of you ranting anyways about how temazepam is the most widely abused benzo. your flat out wrong, and by the way xanax is abused heavily ALL OVER THE WORLD, as is kpin; it jsut goes uner a differnt name (RIVOTRIL)
im out so dont rant at me anymore

In Europe and Asia, temazepam and flunitrazepam are the most sought after, most widely abused benzo, and worth the most on the black market, and the heaviest regulated. Xanax is barely mentioned and Rivotril isn't even mentioned at all.

 

[Ham-milton]

Okay, good. I didn't actually say that. Or maybe I did. I guess it's how you read it. I meant that because of it's overpowering sedation, it'll get you going for ever.

I think Nimetazepam is probably the most euphoric, or maybe flutoprazepam. I haven't had that one. I'd like to try that one. Those crazily anxious japanese seem to love it.