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Benzos questions about klonopin,rohypnol and benzo tolerance

holy fuck you to guys are full of fuck. im NOT going to fight you silly fuckerheads. but i just have to leave with this losing statement:yes i have tried royhypnol. at MANY doses. i have tried nearly all teh common benzos and have been a bezo vetran for nearing a fucking decade. my first benzo was halcion, followed my xanax. 2 drugs that will BOTH knock roy the fuck out of the water!
in my experience, i think it INSANE that you think klonopin is week. whats really going on, is that you just dont like klonopin, or it just doesnt work for you or you are jsut addicted and dont FEEL a high off of them, but your still utterly wasted on benzos all the time and EVERYONE else DOES know.
what im saying is that EUPHORIA, is th only subjective thing here. come on guys are you in grade school?? of COURSE Potency does not equal euphoria. im not saying that. im saying that a motherfucking TWICE as strong drug IS Stronger than the royhyp. you may get a real kick out of it. know what? a FUCK ton of people all up and down these boards and everywhere else will tell you klonopin is the best benzo. others will tell you xanax. euphoria is all subjective man, but STRENGTH is NOT.
fact of matter is clonazepam is 2 x the potency of royhyonol, meaning it has a higher binding affinity than royhypnol.....you might think valium is the most euphoric drug in teh world. that does NOT MAKE it the strongest benzo, even though you get a stronger reaction to it,
fuck no more its really hard to have to type out simple shit seems like second grade kids ought to know ;)
peace
 
I think we just hit a sensitive snare on a Rivotril fan. Compared to all the benzo's available, Rivotril is pretty strong in the sence that 10mg Rivotril will be much, much stronger than 10mg Valium or Normison. But Based on effects, Rivotril is just as weak in it's effects as the rest of the majority of benzo's. I've allready clearly proven in with many facts that the hypnotics are stronger than other benzo's, and that Normison and especially Rohypnol blows any benzo out of the water, on any matter it's used for, not just as a hypnotic. As I already said and confirmed with facts in my post above yours, the hypnotics are much more powerfull, that's why they are used as hypnotics. All the articles also mention the forementioned benzo's have strong anxiolytic, antticonvulsant and muscle relaxing properties, the reason they aren't indicated for those other uses is because they are just way too strong to take during the day for such indications.

Unfortunenately for you, double blinded tests have proven Rohypnol to be the most euphoric, most abuseable and most sought after benzo's commercially in use. According to the so called benzo equivalency chart, 1mg Rohypnol is equal to 20mg Seresta or 0,25mg Halcion. I have tested it on my own friends who are benzo naieve, and none of them noticed any reasonable effects of the Halcion, they noted some mild effects of the Seresta, and they got profound euphoria and later amnesia from the Rohypnol. It isn't just an experiment I tried myself on some test subjects, it has been done by many medical boards to learn more about the abuse factors of several benzo's, and they all concluded the same. A much higher percentage of people favored Rohypnol than any other drug. Sorry for you but Rohypnol(roy?) will blow both Xanax and Halcion out of the water.

You say in your experience, but you're already admitting a large flaw. Your experience only tells about your opinion, and your opinion is not a fact. I do like Rivotril, when IV'ed it's very, very nice, and orally it can be relaxing with a few glass of red wine, but it isn't in the top 5 of benzo's, not just in my opinion but the general opinion. I'm still utterly wasted on benzo's all the time? Haha, funny guy you are. You're the one who is on 4mg Rivotril a day and get's all excited and shit if you don't get your benzo's because of the withdrawl awaiting you. I've only used benzo's as a sleep aid for just over a month, and I only took 'm before bedtime. That month began in the second week of december, and by now I've tapered down my usage to nil, even though I just got new script from my doctor. So sorry for you but you know sweet fuck :) And what do you mean by everyone else does know, are you all girlfriends talking gossiping about other members on the forum or something?

Yes, euphoria is the only subjective thing here, and in blind folded test subjects who were randomly given several different benzodiazepines, they all voted for Rohypnol as the most euphoric, so even though it still is a subjective opinion which one is the most euphoric, Rohypnol has the highest euphoria rate in test subjects, much higher than Rivotril. And I don't come of grade school or whatever the fuck that is. I go to the university and study organic chemistry with pharmacology being one of my majors ..

Potency certainly does not always equal euphoria, but the speed with which a drug binds to the receptors and delivers it's effects, the "flash", is the strongest in Rohypnol out of all benzo's, only Dormicum surpasses it. And a "fuck" ton of people you are mentioning barely even know what benzo's are, they are like; uh, I did like, uh, lorazepam and diazepam and xanax. Xanax is the best benzo evah man .. I don't value the opinions of such people, nor does anyone else with any credibility. I can't blam them though, Rohypnol is illegal in most countries or very highly regulated and rare in most others.

Sorry for you but you all got it wrong, maybe you should start reading medical literature instead of theorize and pop a few Rivotril and just doze off or something. Cheerio!
 
jesus christ. im sorry but apperently you can not read, or you are just plain iggnorant. royhypnol will NOT blow hlacion out of the water you stupid ass. jesus man, they only market it in up to .25 mg pills. most people will tell you that 1 mg halcion will knock ANY dose of royhyp out of the water.
effects wise, YOU get stronger effects of royhyp. effects wise other people et stronger effects of klonopin. this is just talking abtou how we subjectivly FEEL drugs. in the reality taht apperently you dont live in, kpin and ESPECIALY halcion are WAY stronger drugs than fucking overrated roofies.
sorry but i can only laugh hystericaly at someone who thinks that halcion and kpin are weak and that royhypnol is stronger than both.
i mean...theres nothing left to say. im not saying your wrong that you like roofies better, im saying that jsut becasue you feel they have a stronger high, this in NO WAY MAKES it a stronger drug, and im sorrym but halcion will blow ANY benzo out of the water. it makes royhypnol look like tylenol.
talk to some people who take kpin recreationaly. for most people with little tolerance anyhing over 1 mg is way too intense. royhypnol is around teh same potency as ativan, which is fucking weak, only half as strong as xanax.
thats all, you are very unintelligent my friend
 
2 mg kpin will get MOST people unbeleiveably more trashed than 4 mg roofies. opeople just brag about them beacsue they are schedule one illegal. truth is they are jsut like any other benzo out there
 
Rohypnol used to be made in 5mg tablets, those were taken off the market real, real quick after their release .. The 2mg tablets have been commercially available for a much longer period, and were only banned a few years ago, they are still available genericly as 2mg Flunitrazepam in some countries, like the Netherlands and Greece. You are clearly talking bullshit with your "most people will tell you that 1 mg halcion will knock ANY dose of royhyp out of the water", cause Halcion is only available in a few countries, but in none where Rohypnol is available as well, so only a handfull of people actually tried both and were able to compare them. Halcion isn't available in any country in the EU for instance, and I can't actually think of any country besides the United Steakes where it's prescribed. You're just randomly making up facts based on your own opinion, how pathetic.

Effects wise, not only me, but by far the largest percentage of people get stronger effects from Rohypnol than an equal dose of Rivotril, hell they even get stronger effects from half the dose of Rohypnol. Rohypnol is regarded as the most sought after benzo with the highest abuse factor and the most often regarded as euphoric in scientific researches on test subjects. Halcion is close to Rohypnol on several factors too, but Rivotril is generally rated a lot lower. I have mentioned it very often in my posts that euphoria and abuse factor are just subjective opinions, because everyone has different opinions about it, but if a large group of different people take place in experiments to find out how they rate different substances, and Rohypnol comes out as the benzo which causes euphoria in the largest percentage of test subjects, well it's clear it's more than just subjective, it's a very good prediction about what the average person would rate the substances that were tested.

You seem to have some very strong underlying hate against Rohypnol. Where you abused by it during your childhood, a few years ago? You straightout refuse to accept the facts, and just continue on with your own extremely narrow minded and plain ignorant perception on benzo's. It seems much more apparent that you are the one that needs a reality check. Are you autistic? Cause you seem to get stuck in the same repetitive patterns, a typical symptom for autism, along with being frustrated and angry against the world for not understanding you. You really need to visit a shrink ..

I've talked to many people who've taken Rivotril recreationally, and they all found it weak, they needed muc high doses of it compared to other benzo's. They did like it's muscle relaxing effects and it's physical relaxation though, and so did I when I did 1mg IM without any tolerance, but the fact that it's just pretty weak and that anyone I asked about it said they needed a lot to get some good effects makes it not really worth it. The generally accepted equivalency chart you based your opinions on is flawed. That same chart also says 20mg Frisium or 20mg Seresta equal 1mg Loramet, that's certainly not true, only in theory, but not in practice. By the way I've now noticed 4 of the same repetitive patterns in your posts, you clearly are autistic. I on the other hand have an IQ of 134, so unfortunenately your claim is discredited again, and I am not your friend, clown.

Again you fall in the same repetitive pattern, and again I'll point you on the facts, the majority of people who tried both, prefer 2mg Rohypnol over 4mg Rivotril. They aren't schedule 1, they are schedule III of th UN Psychotropic Convention, Halcion is schedule IV of the UN Psychotropic Convention because of it's lower risk of abuse. Rohypnol is the only benzodiazepine in schedule III. Rohypnol is available on prescription in the majority of Europe anyway, so they are not illegal, they are available for severe insomnia and as a second line treatment only, but it is medically available. Cheerio.

Obviously you are the the dumbass here, probaply born too slow or someth
 
i'm prescribed clonazepam (Klonopin) also and i've found that personally, i've built up a HUGE tolerance for it. i recommend staying off of it, if u can, for a couple weeks, then starting back. it worked for me. good luck
 
i have a 6mg klonopin script a day until this friday, i'm probably going to switch to some xanax x.r or maybe a hypnotic like temazepam.....the klonopin just aint cutting anymore, even at 6mg (three 2mg pills) at once
 
Temazepam and flunitrazepam both posses very strong anticonvulsant, anti-anxiety and anticonvulsant properties, aside from there very strong hypnotic properties. The reason they are rarely prescribered for other indications than insomnia is because of their strong sedation being a major side-effect if it is used throughout the day. If you're prescribed the clonazepam as anticonvulsant, you could switch to clobazam, if it's because of antianxiety issues, there is a whole selection of available alternatives, like alprazolam for instance.
 
day before yesterday i took 6mg klonopin, yesterday i took 4mg, and today i took 4mg. i have a appointment with the doc tomm. klonopin really isn't doing great like it did, of course thats expected, tolerance goes up, and mine is WAY up. i the doc said since im getting off suboxone, he'll rx tramadol for the w/d from suboxone? has anyone heard of this
 
Not heard of it, but it doesn't amaze me much. Tramadol can be of much use when tapering down opioid usage, especially the final taper of buprenorphine or methadone. It doesn't amaze much that the clonazepam isn't doing much either, after a while benzodiazepines loose their effects, and your only taking them just to prevent withdrawls, I've been there too, and still am. Also, clonazepam is superior regarding it's anticonvulsant effects in comparisson to the majority of benzo's, but not for anxiety. It isn't even indicated for anxiety use in Europe, only in a few countries abroad, and the patient prescription information leafter which comes with all the Rivotril products don't indicate it for that use either, solely for anticonvulsant use, and that's coming from Roche itself, so that says a lot.
 
nono

klowns said:
well if you take 4 mg klonopine take 8 mg royhypnol. its only half as potent.
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sorry mate that does not make any sense, 8 mg of fluni and you can kiss ur butt bye bye !!!! even with a high benzo tolerance - definitely 4mg clona is a high dose but i wouldnt double it switching to fluni, maybe i would even take 2mg - different effects.

ime at least.... but as we all know benzos are waaaay to subjective to compare our different opinions

still facts are facts.....
cheers
FF
 
Klonopin is a VERY strong Benzo but once you start getting a tolerance to it even doses up to 6mg's are VERY manageable for me. I've been RX'd Kpin 4 mg's a day for over 3 years now. I pop 4 mg's at once in the morning and i hardly even notice I took anything besides the fact that i don't have any anxiety and my days go very smooth. Exactly what it is SUPPOSED to do. I love that. Now at night i am prescribed 30mg's of Temazepam, according to charts,a much weaker benzo but it is a hypnotic. Even after 3 years of use Temazepam never fails to smack me in the face when i take it & put me to sleep. It's a much heavier sedated feeling than klonopin even if it is a "weaker" benzo so to say. The only problem is if you don't end up going to sleep Temazepam tends to where off rather fast. 60 mg's and I'm out no matter how awake I am. Klonopin and Temazepam are both god sends if you ever have a night involving uppers because you know YOU are going to sleep no matter what ;-)
 
Very interesting thread indeed, I'm happy you bumped it, phrozen. Funny how nitrazepam and flunitrazepam are compared.

I'm prescribed lormetazepam (Noctamide) 2mg every night, it's a strong hypnotic and it never fails to put me to sleep, even after all this time on it. I'd like to compare it to nimetazepam, but alas I won't have this pleasure.

To PsychOnaut, you're wrong on one point: here in France, flunitrazepam and triazolam can be prescribed. And I'd be happy if some people could speak about an other seldom prescribed benzo in the world: estazolam. Here in France, estazolam and nitrazepam are in a special class (35% refund instead of the normal 65% of all other benzos).
 
i really hope you didn't listen to these clowns telling you to take 2x the mg of flunitrazepam than clonazepam i can take 20mg of clonazepam and hardly feel it but if i take 20mg of flunitrazepam i will black out
 
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