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Not sure where this thread should go, im thinking Culture is best...

I want to know what the average Bluelighters opinion on religion is. Believe, Dont, Think its bullshit, dont care, etc.

I have never seen this topic brought up before, i think it deserves some honest responses. Dont hold back, dont worry about offending anybody, just be brutally fucking honest. If you are easily offended, move swiftly along. Ill start, im christian. I challenge you to explain why i shouldnt be. Bring it bitches.
 
heres my opinion on religion, first off the only reason you are christian, muslim, hindu etc. is because you were born to christian parents and you bought into thier faith, if you were born anywhere else you'd believe in something else and go to hell. Secondly in a scientific point of view the same amount of proof 'which is none' exists for the existence of Thor, Rae the sun god, jesus and santa claus so to believe in one but to be absolutely sure that the other does not exist is just a cultural thing that got impresseed on you from an early age. Third god created us and god has infinite wisdom right? so when he made adam and eve he knew i would be born, not believe in him etc. , if he knew what i was going to believe and just made me anyway knowing i was going to hell for eternity then he is just sadistic and if he was surprised when i was born not believing in him then you cant call him god cause he is not all knowing. Fourth religion is a scam business they take your money and say 'we are in direct contact with god' and if you don't like paying us to tell you what's right then you are going to hell. 5, the shit that christians believe in, earth is 6000 years old, dinosours didnt exist, and countless weird things that are in the bible "cure leprosy by sprinkeling bird's blood on you" (ya its in there) anyway enough said personally im an atheist. But ya if you have faith in a christian god and you do not require any sort of proof then what stops you from believing in Thor? It's just a mixture of culture and guilt and fear of the afterlife. Anyway that's my opinion not holding back
 
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it's not my place to explain why you shouldn't believe what you believe.

before we can discuss this you need to define the term 'religion'.

alasdair
 
I used that word specifically because my question is directed at religion in general not any specific one. If i could clarify further I would say im talking about the general concept of religion on a basic level. IE all religions are based on the notion of faith in a higher being, greater power, unproven concept etc.

Im very interested the most common thoughts on religion specifically within the drug culture. I for example am christian (not the stereotypical type though) but im guessing that perhaps most of us are probably atheist (wild random unfounded guess).

I also noticed the other day how common a topic religion is in our group will on a stim binge. I think its because it elicits a strong emotional response in most people and is therefore pleasing to discuss while in that state maybe?

alasdairm said:
it's not my place to explain why you shouldn't believe what you believe.

before we can discuss this you need to define the term 'religion'.

alasdair
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1st. My "religion" i don't assign myself to any particular religion. that is because i don't like the idea of committing to a set of ideals laid out by... well anyone really. however i think Taoism is a pretty good way to live your life because its about living in harmony with nature and i think as humans thats all we can be expected to do reasonably.

2nd my take on religion i think its awesome in concept but is often executed poorly, but were humans i'd only expect it to be an imperfect institution. i like that it tries to bring people together, but i think many wars throughout history could indicate that religion has done a better job separating people. i look at religion like most things it has both positive negative impact.

3rd since you want to be challenged here is my thought process on why your religion cannot be trusted. also bear in mind although this is a theory of mine im simply playing the devils advocate because i've been asked to

since the very start of civilization(as in when commerce and goods started being traded for so called "precious" stones or paper money) man has been on a quest for private property and money because there is a misconception that more things=more happiness.

The ancient Egyptian's lived in a theocracy and the Pharaoh is known as the sun priest he "worships Ra(the sun god) for the people" so that way the people just have to worship Pharaoh by building his cities, paying him tribute and making him their leader. this gets pharaoh a lot of seemingly extravagant things.

Now whether ancient Egypts religion was built on one mans quest for power and money i cant say. but i definitely can say that at some point in time i don't doubt someone noticed being able to tell a really convincing story about why were here and what happens when you die will get people to give you damn near all their money and simply exploited it.

and since you want a personal attack on christianity i think Catholicism where christianity got its start was clearly full of corruption. look at the church of england. however this is speaking about an institution. i would like to wrap this up with saying that i think jesus had a pretty awesome message but i think some people have turned it into something not so great.

being that i dont commit to anything i'm very interested hearing your side of your religion. like what makes you think Jesus is who i should pray to, what if the jews were right? :P
 
Well, lemme start by saying that my belief system has no symbol association; sowhile I don't personally believe in any religious stories outside documented history, the system allows for belief in everything and anything.

That said, I don't believe in the christian bible at all, but I still think Jesus was a neat guy and that you shouldn't not be a Christian.
 
Personally I think believing in religion is good for children. Opening a path to logical inquiries, morality, all the rest of it. From there it should be best to outgrow the superstitious belief and to deconstruct the morals of the stories and further signify your own logical reasoning's/morals. Without the childish need to believe the stories as absolute truth. Same could be said for the dogmatic atheists.
 
but those holy books are full of all kinds of hurrendous stories so i dont think they are suitable for children. for example, in the christian bible, the story of noahs ark involves god drowning every person and animal on the planet except 2 of each. not to mention all the genocide, rapes, slavery, killing af infants etc.
 
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but those holy books are full of all kinds of hurrendous stories so i dont think they are suitable for children. for example, in the christian bible, the story of noahs ark involves god drowning every person and animal on the planet except 2 of each. not to mention all the genocide, rapes, slavery, killing af infants etc.
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Ah well then keep the newspapers and televisions away from the children too then, yes?
 
religion is based on faith which by definition has no evidence and by my definition is fucking stupid, religious morals are shit ("believe in me and what i say is right or wrong, even though i have changed my mind many times or burn in hell!" isn't a choice, it's a threat, and is not good morality, some people are "chosen" above others [jews, calvinists, anyone who is not your religion] creates division, many more) and any religious apologetics is just defending the despicable and untrue. i long to see the day reason, evidence, and keen evaluation is held with the same esteem that religion is now. i see no value in tolerance of bullshit.
 
The beauty in the structure of the imaginary is there is room to overcome, which would lead to reason and the morals you just spoke of. With atheism there tends to be little of this space and even less structure, it's learning through chaos. Like in elementary school I found it hard to cope with the idea that we killed all the Indians because 'we' had the belief that it was our God given right. In that same instance the lesson was genocide of the Indians was bad, but, God negated the wrong doings of the political nature. Imagine teachers trying to teach the political nature of such a genocide in elementary school.
 
”Believe in me or burn” has nothing to do with morality..
That's a dictum, not ethics.
Think before you type lol.
 
This is the best way i could ever explain it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D05ej8u-gU

I believe to connect through idea of similar composition.
I believe that we can all relate to one another, and other objects, because they are composed of the same matter, it surrounds us, we surround ourselves, yet we are isolated within our own vessel of matter, which has adapted and transformed in its own way, and relates similarly yet distinctly unique to our own.
:)

call it a religion if you like, i refer to it as either, but most often a belief.
 
we dont need religion for morals. they are in built in us as a product of our evolutionary past. i think good morals are basically actions that best benefit the group as a whole. it feels good to do these good things because it improves our chances of survival by helping us to be accepted in the group. being part of a group or tribe is better for survival. something like that.
 
if you think about it the churches stance on going to hell for not believing is exactly like a mafia protection scam. "you pay us protection or SOMETHING might happen to your store window" and the chuch says "you must tithe ten percent of your income or your soul will burn for eternity" at least the mafia are honest about it and just break your window instead of making vague threats about a place that might exist. And what about the bible verse about people who make money and dont work for it, a pastor takes your money every weekend and gives you nothing but the assurance that you are better than most other ppl (accept the ones who sit closer to the front than you do, your just behind them in gods opinion) and wtf is it about christians that say they know god's plan and then when you argue about the logic of it all they say "well you can't pretend to know god's plan your just a human" the only connection to which is a couple of books written 2000 years ago by superstitious goat herders. And another thing atheists are more moral because if an atheist does a good thing it's because they want to help someone whereas if a theist does a good thing it has an alterior motive. (brag about it, gain favour from god, make up for other sins etc.)
 
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