Heroin Question regarding IV heroin and citric acid

[TwoOnSmack]

Hi all,

I am a nasal heroin user who sometimes treats myself to an IV shot. My product of choice is heroin freebase ("Persian brown"), so I must treat it with an acid to make it water soluble. After acidification i run my solution through a 0,2μ micron filter and inject the filtered solution after proper sterilization of the area of injection.

Usually I use hydrochloric acid for converting the freebase because it's clean and close at hand. However, it is a very strong acid, so in order to do this right I need to work with small vials, pipettes and a digital pH-meter, to make sure that the acidity is right (~pH 4,5-5).

This is quite a laborous way to go about it, so I am interested to hear from some of you guys who use citric acid or another weak acid for preparing your shots:

-Do you get the citric acid in crystalline form and are you just using the regular food-grade stuff used for pickling etc.?

-Since it is a weak acid, I guess you need not worry about the solution becoming too acidic for the veins, so an actual pH-measurement is not required? I am however still interested in knowing how you measure out a dose of acid for your shot? Do you just eyeball it or how?

Thanks for sharing any experiences and know-how, peace!

 

[TwoOnSmack]

No bites here it seems. Maybe a kind mod could send this one over to the European/African Drug Discussion? Think I'll have better luck there and it would save me from double posting. Thanks!

Cheers!

 

[papas]

Hi there, We in the u.k. get given small packets of vit c or citric along with needles etc and I`ve been told that 1 packet is enough for a quarter of a gram of gear however most folk use more than is needed. I`d say going by size about 25% citric or vit c of volume of gear used. Does that make sense, or help ??

 

[cleannfree]

stick to vit c, alot better for the viens, crystal form for IV

 

[caseface99]

Definitely don't use food grade products for IV use, they aren't held to standards suitable for Injection.

 

[Gummybearkatie]

Definitely don't use food grade products for IV use, they aren't held to standards suitable for Injection.

My friends and I use lemon juice to dissolve crack a lot, I heard that was just fine? It works. It burns if you miss, but I haven't gotten an abcess or anything. They do have packets of citric acid at the needle exchange though, so if it's really bad for you I can just get that.

 

[DavisK4high247]

Damn I'm glad we get #4 powder where I am. I do think it would be cool to have the option to get #3 heroin base to smoke on occasion,for a little different experience. But I think that using lemon juice, even food grade is ok because the citric acid in it with inhibit any bacterial growth in a sealed package,aka a little plastic ketchup packet type plastic bag of lemon juice is safer than tap water for sure. Anyway I never have used IV #3 heroin base so thats about all I can say. Also it's not #3 heroin "freebase" , lol freebase is a process of purifying a substance using solvents and an akaline (base) to obtain the purest amount of a drug. I highly doubt that they sell 99% pure base heroin anyway.

 

[Gummybearkatie]

I wonder if I should have been refridgerating the lemon juice? I leave it on my bedside table. It's probably been there a month. I don't know what kind of problem it could present though.

 

[papas]

I must admit that all the litrature we have been given says a big ole NO to using lemon juice, although I`ve read plenty about people using it. Any way it doesn`t matter what we decide on using as we can`t and haven`t been able to get ANYTHING AT ALL for best part of 6 weeks now, what a sad state of affairs we`re in.

I`m sorry but I`m not up on the abbreviations for all your states. I have a question for you though.. Has the drought which is affecting U.K. like you wouldn`t believe affected you guys at all??????....... I think not, you lucky people.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Hi all,

I am a nasal heroin user who sometimes treats myself to an IV shot. My product of choice is heroin freebase ("Persian brown"), so I must treat it with an acid to make it water soluble. After acidification i run my solution through a 0,2? micron filter and inject the filtered solution after proper sterilization of the area of injection.

Usually I use hydrochloric acid for converting the freebase because it's clean and close at hand. However, it is a very strong acid, so in order to do this right I need to work with small vials, pipettes and a digital pH-meter, to make sure that the acidity is right (~pH 4,5-5).


This is quite a laborous way to go about it, so I am interested to hear from some of you guys who use citric acid or another weak acid for preparing your shots:

-Do you get the citric acid in crystalline form and are you just using the regular food-grade stuff used for pickling etc.?

-Since it is a weak acid, I guess you need not worry about the solution becoming too acidic for the veins, so an actual pH-measurement is not required? I am however still interested in knowing how you measure out a dose of acid for your shot? Do you just eyeball it or how?

Thanks for sharing any experiences and k
now-how, peace!

Hi mate. Here in the UK we don't have any Fucking choice - it's all low grade Afghani base. Citric acid is the usual acidifier but VitC (ascorbic acid) is available and kinder to your veins. DON'T use lemon juice it can cause fungal infection which can damage your optic nerves. Yes, we usually eyeball the dose of citric but its far too easy to use too much - especially as the gear varies so much. Sometimes it takes a 50:50 mix to get it to dissolve. This is why we have such a high percentage of groin injectors in this country - id say that on average it takes only 3 years of daily IV before your veins are so fucked you have to use major veins like the femoral or jugular. Therefore if you're using basic gear you're better off not injecting. I just wish id found this site before I started using - I might have some veins left now.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

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Not much to add beyond what others have said - DON'T use lemon juice if you can possibly avoid it, get some citric acid or ideally vit c from a needle exchange - if you're in the UK it'll be no problem, if not I guess maybe look online?
And those needle exchange packets, you should only need maybe 1/4 - 1/3 of the contents per shot.

^^^Yeah, what he said and more. Even 1/4 - 1/3 is too much - one thing I've learnt is that heroin dissolves very easily im acid so if you have to keep adding more citric to make it dissolve all you're doing is dissolving the cut. it's common for us to use citric fromwmwm wine making shops which I guess is only food grade but I don't think it's any worse than the clinic stuff, just more crystalline. All you need is just a few small crystals and if that's not enough to dissolve all the powder then what's left is only cutting agents anyway. Don't make the mistake of adding more citric until it all dissolves. How do you insufflate this type of gear?

 

[EverythingAddict]

i've used anything from the vit c powder at the injection site to pure lemon juice or even vinegar. they all work. i've also read that you can use crushed up vitamin c pills... but i've personally never had to come to trying that. if the vit c powder isnt available, a bottle of vinegar costs about two dollars and will last a long long time.

 

[TwoOnSmack]

Also it's not #3 heroin "freebase" , lol freebase is a process of purifying a substance using solvents and an akaline (base) to obtain the purest amount of a drug. I highly doubt that they sell 99% pure base heroin anyway.

Yes, I know it's the street slang (verb) for the process of cooking up crack. But within chemistry it is also the term (noun) applied to an amine in it's free basic form (as opposed to a salt). Here it is on Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebase_(chemistry)

Thank you all for your answer guyss! Very thorough and I much appreciate it! I'll make note of using as little as possible if I decide to shoot it. I only have access to food-grade stuff though, and even though I am micron-filtering the solution, I might stick to just shooting the hydrochloride salt.

To whoever asked about the drought: Hell yeah it is here (Denmark) too. There is still gear around, but it's getting worse and thinner by the day.

F.U.B.A.R. I'm in a hurry mate, but will get back to you on the nasal thing later.


Again, thanks all, you rock!

 

[alpralanon]

I wqs just in a similar predicment.
bought #3, expecting #4.
Im at home, ran over the chemist, said he could get me
citric acid anhydrous, but tomorrow, and at $45/500ml.
Hmmm, I had a 200ml lemon juice bottle in the fridge
I didnt shake it up(leaving pulp & shit at bottom),
squeezed bottle until needle tip could suck a few ml up.
Microwave on high for 20 secs or so, (there aint much there).
That should of killed any germies (, I hope).
Mixed up with the juice, didnt seem to be easier to my than earlier attempt with water.
But it worked

 

[MTLATINO]

Just got back from the co-op pharmacy and they usually hand out citric acid with their needle exchange, hundreds of the bloody things.
I personally use heroin and am in the UK but have my connections from the golden triangle and manage to get really good #4 china white.
However i'm taking a break atm and am about to IV some really good coke for the first time. Ever since Red Dead Redemption I've fancied a go after seeing that professor dude shaking his nuts with ecstasy from a hit xD

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Just got back from the co-op pharmacy and they usually hand out citric acid with their needle exchange, hundreds of the bloody things.
I personally use heroin and am in the UK but have my connections from the golden triangle and manage to get really good #4 china white.
However i'm taking a break atm and am about to IV some really good coke for the first time. Ever since Red Dead Redemption I've fancied a go after seeing that professor dude shaking his nuts with ecstasy from a hit xD

Do you have a question..? Or did you post in a year old thread just to tell us you were going to shoot coke..?