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question on sodium carbonate and dxm extraction

This is not advanced, it's basic chemistry.

1. Find the pKa of DXM. That's the pH below which where most of it will be a salt. Above it will be a freebase.
2. Adjust pH with NaOH or Na2CO3 in water. You'll need approx. 1-2 molar equivalents of alkali. (Not very much)
3. Do the reaction in a dilute solution so the dyes, glycols etc don't interfere. DXM freebase isn't water soluble anyway, it will floc/precipitate out when the pH is right.
 
ty vm so if I were to put this in a step by step it would go something like this:?

1. dilute syrup with about 1:1 water to syrup ratio
2. Use the molar equivilent of Na2CO3 (by molar equivalent do you mean find how many moles of dxm r in 354mg of dxm then find the molar equivalent of Na2CO3? and also how do I incorporate the pKa in this) in the solution
3. add solvent extract top layer discard bottom
4. add acid solution extract bottom layer and discard top layer
 
(preface): Go read a introductory chemistry book.

1. Figure out what kind of DXM you have. Polistyrex (Delsym) or HBr (everything else).
2. Do the math to figure out how many moles of DXM freebase you'd expect to see in solution.

DXM freebase has a molar mass of 271.4 G/mol.
HBr has a molar mass of 81.
One equivalent of polistyrex has a molar mass of 184.2.

2a. Figure out the weight of the compound you have.
HBr = 352.4 G/mol
Psx = 455.6 G/mol.

2b. Figure out how many moles of compound you have.
(I'm going to assume you have 354mg HBr)
Well, 352.4 is pretty close to 354, so let's say we have 0.001mol. (1 mmol)

2c. Let's check our work to be sure:
1mmol x 354 g/mol = 354 mg.

3. Take that molarity number. That's the amount of alkali you have to add to react with the hydrobromic acid and freee the freebase.
Double it to be safe, if you're using a weak base like sodium (bi)carbonate. If you're using lye (sodium hydroxide), leave as is.

3a. Figure out how much acid your alkali will neutralize, per mole. 1 mole of sodium carbonate or calcium hydroxide neutralises 2 moles of acid. 1 mol of sodium hydroxide will neutralise one mole acid. Don't use baking soda (sodium bicarbonate), it's not strong enough. Bake it in the oven at 350 deg for a couple hours to convert it to sodium carbonate if you really have to use it.

3b. Figure out the weight of alkali you need. Let's be easy and use sodium hydroxide (lye): we need 1 mmol, so let's work it out:
NaOH = 40g/mol. x 1mmol = 40 mg (!)


Now we have our numbers. We will neutralize 354mg DXM HBr with 40mg lye to yield ~271 mg pure DXM freebase.


4. Dilute yer syrup. Make it look less nasty.

5. Make up some lye solution (dissolve 1g lye in 10ml water, making 100 mg/ml - don't try to add 40mg!) and add about 0.5 - 1ml (50-100mg). You should see DXM flocculate out. If it doesn't add more alkali. If you find yourself adding more than 2-3x, stop and test the pH. It should be around 10-11 to ensure complete freebasing.

The pKa, or where approximately 50% will be freebase and 50% a salt, is around pH 9.2. use pH papers to monitor and keep the pH above 9, preferably above 10.

6. Extract with your non-polar solvent (chlorofrorm, hexanes etc)

7. Extract the non-polar solvent with acidic water. 1% citric acid in water should be great.

The solvent layering will depend on what solvent you use. Chloroform sinks to the bottom of a water layer. Toluene, ethyl acetate, ether, hexanes, etc float on top. Keep this in mind so you don't throw the goodies away.
 
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my friend won't sell me mushies cause she doesn't want to supply me with "heavy psychedelics". pfft. walmart will provide me with my psychedelic fix tho. Good ol' robo.

I can't wait to check out a intro chem book, honestly chemistry biology and math are my strong points and I'm kinda high right now so I'm definitely psyched. Can't wait to sober up and get edurcated. I miss school shouldn't have dropped out in the first place for adult hs, but fuck it I'm going back as a super senior. ugh maybe I'll use the dxm I extract as a refresh b4 school sounds worth it. It's hard for me to "want" to do dxm, but I love its high.

Finally is there some kind of acid I can use to extract crystal dxm other than lemon juice, since i think thats the part that corrupts the mixture and I'd need a more "pure" acidic solution. Also something that doesn't make me watched for buying meth reagents.
 
1% citric acid in water should be great.

Buy it at drugstores. It's used as a drink additive and for descaling faucets/tubs/tile and things like that.
Even white vinegar diluted with 4x the amount of water (1% acetic acid) will work.

What are you going to be using as a non-polar solvent?

Chloroform, n-butanol, toluene, xylene, & the chloroethanes are probably better than hexanes/naptha.
 
Okay, keep in mind toluene floats on water (I previously claimed it sinks).

Be mindful because it stinks like glue, will eat most plastic, and takes absolutely forever to evaporate. It's also flammable.
 
Okay, keep in mind toluene floats on water (I previously claimed it sinks).

Be mindful because it stinks like glue, will eat most plastic, and takes absolutely forever to evaporate. It's also flammable.

qft
 
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