Opioids question on CWE opiate 'shelf life' in liquid form

[Atheus]

Hi all,

I've decided I'm gonna take an 'emergency' dose of CWE (CWE == 'cold water extraction' but I'm sure you all know that) opiate (probably just codeine) around with me. Maybe leave one at home and one at work, and/or maybe one in my backpack. Y'know... if I randomly stay at someone's house without planning for it... if you know what I mean...

I'm at the stage where I don't _need_ an opiate before sleep but I really _want_ one. Like I really want a cigarette when I have a beer but I don't _have_ to have one. I would just put a couple of pills in my wallet (in the little bag along with the benzos...) but CWE is currently my only method of access to opiates. I can get codeine and hydro, but not in pure form, and to be honest they're not really doing the trick since I got my hands on some unadulterated oxy about 3 months ago. Incredible stuff that was. Perhaps this paragraph says more about me and my addictions than anything else. I probably would have tried H if I had access to a pure source - but I don't buy street shit anymore. No matter how much I want something. I've got that much self control at least. Perhaps I should kick this shit soon before it's too late...

Anyway here's my actual question...

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If I have a bottle of CWE codeine already prepared - a clear liquid in a little bottle - how long will it last? Just as long as pills? This isn't my kind of science really but I'm guessing not for some reason...

Is it badly effected by heat or any other conditions? Should I put it in the fridge or something?

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ACTUAL QUESTION ABOVE

Hang on I just realised I'm ranting slightly... hance the caps sign... sorry.. I just picked up this 95% coke it's fucking ridiculous...

- Atheus

 

[suessmayr]

If you're not dependent on opiates and just 'want' them, you're in a great position to simply stop.

Otherwise, I don't think you can carry around pre-prepared CWE solutions with you. I vaguely remember reading about this before. I think it may settle into precipitate and solution or something else. How can you bear to drink so many CWE's anyway? Before I had access to oxy and morphine I was like "fuck this CWE shit. I'd rather be sober than drink this fucking piss".

 

[Atheus]

If you're not dependent on opiates and just 'want' them, you're in a great position to simply stop.

Otherwise, I don't think you can carry around pre-prepared CWE solutions with you. I vaguely remember reading about this before. I think it may settle into precipitate and solution or something else. How can you bear to drink so many CWE's anyway? Before I had access to oxy and morphine I was like "fuck this CWE shit. I'd rather be sober than drink this fucking piss".

Any idea where you read that? If it just precipitates a good shake should sort it out...

Re: how do I drink that stuff? Well it ain't that bad - bitter - like biting a lemon or something. And there's only 100-200mg of it. I just eat a bit of chocolate, dump the stuff as I'm swallowing the chocolate, then wash it all down with a beer. Tastes of nothing but beer and chocolate. *shrug*

Anyone else?

 

[Fail Fighter]

I'll admit I didn't read your thread... But based on the thread title, I'll tell you this: One time my ex gf gave me a bottle of 20 Vicodin (5/500) and I did a CWE and filtered the solution into an old Bacardi 151 bottle I had lying around. I left the bottle out in my room for a few days because I wasn't planning on drinking it until the weekend, which was a few days away. To my surprise, on day 3, the liquid in the bottle completely spoiled... There was some type of mysterious purple mold/fungus/scum that was growing in the water and it ruined the whole fucking extraction. I almost cried.

So... Obviously I was stupid to not add more alcohol to keep the solution from rotting, but I just didn't think it'd spoil in a few days at room temp. It might as well have been milk. If you're gonna do an extraction before hand, make sure you add lots of alcohol to keep the water sterilized, and make sure you keep it in your fridge. Even still, it's not going to last anywhere near as long as the pills would.

 

[Oxide]

It's usually good for ~24hrs in the fridge. That's with just plain water.

I've heard adding alcohol like Fail Fighter mentioned will inhibit bacteria growth and extend the shelf life, but don't expect miracles. It won't keep forever, and although it would be practical, it just doesn't work to try and make a bunch and then try to store it. Bummer, I know.

What I don't understand is why you can't put a couple of pills in your wallet like you mentioned. It seems like that would make the most sense if you already have a baggie of pills in there. Could you elaborate a little on this?

 

[glas123]

It's usually good for ~24hrs in the fridge. That's with just plain water.

I've had a single batch of CWE'd codeine in the fridge far longer, at least 4+ days without any noticeable loss of high. I've justed the same container over and over again with different batches without it ever getting completely empty or washing it. I just fill up my bottle, it's really rather disgusting when you think of it. I'm no scientist either so I can't say that the answers above me are false but I would just leave be bottle in the fridge.

 

[Atheus]

Thanks everyone!

It's usually good for ~24hrs in the fridge. That's with just plain water.

Well... geuss I'm throwing that shit out then. The stuff is indoors and even though it's approaching winter in England I doubt it's been above 20C since storage.

I've heard adding alcohol like Fail Fighter mentioned will inhibit bacteria growth and extend the shelf life, but don't expect miracles.

Okay that makes sense - but what exactly should I be adding? I have no idea what Fail Fighter is... must be American... but are we talking pure ethanol here? 10%?

It won't keep forever, and although it would be practical, it just doesn't work to try and make a bunch and then try to store it. Bummer, I know.

Yup...

What I don't understand is why you can't put a couple of pills in your wallet like you mentioned. It seems like that would make the most sense if you already have a baggie of pills in there. Could you elaborate a little on this?

I simply haven't got a decent source. The oxy thing was temporary and these days I don't buy anything unless I know (or have been told by someone I trust with half a brain) it's pretty much pure, or I know exactly what it's cut with, or there's only mostly harmless leftovers from manufacture or something. I'm not touching the street opiates in London ATM and neither should anyone else! I could order supposedly pure opiates off the net but I hear mixed reports.

Anyway the only 'pure' opiates I have access to in this country right now are low dose OTC codeine products, or Valium .... [/edit: I meant Vicodin! NOT, I repeat NOT Valium! Please do not confuse the two or you risk serious damage or death! I will delete this whole thing if admins think it is not useful for harm reduction!] (Vicodin not OTC here), which very occasionally turns up. In either case I need quite a few pills to actually get high and that's more acetaminophen/paracetamol than I'm willing to take. CWE, solution is clear, 100-200mg, around 5C... that's what... 1g paracetamol? At most I'm thinking. Weirdly I can't find a chart of the solubility of paracetamol against temperature after ten minutes of searching...

If I could get professionally manufactured unadulterated opiate pills, I assure you man, I would!

- Atheus

 

[Oxide]

Thanks everyone!

Well... geuss I'm throwing that shit out then. The stuff is indoors and even though it's approaching winter in England I doubt it's been above 20C since storage.

Okay that makes sense - but what exactly should I be adding? I have no idea what Fail Fighter is... must be American... but are we talking pure ethanol here? 10%?

Yup...

I simply haven't got a decent source. The oxy thing was temporary and these days I don't buy anything unless I know (or have been told by someone I trust with half a brain) it's pretty much pure, or I know exactly what it's cut with, or there's only mostly harmless leftovers from manufacture or something. I'm not touching the street opiates in London ATM and neither should anyone else! I could order supposedly pure opiates off the net but I hear mixed reports.

Anyway the only 'pure' opiates I have access to in this country right now are low dose OTC codeine products, or Valium (not OTC here), which very occasionally turns up. In either case I need quite a few pills to actually get high and that's more acetaminophen/paracetamol than I'm willing to take. CWE, solution is clear, 100-200mg, around 5C... that's what... 1g paracetamol? At most I'm thinking. Weirdly I can't find a chart of the solubility of paracetamol against temperature after ten minutes of searching...

If I could get professionally manufactured unadulterated opiate pills, I assure you man, I would!

- Atheus

Ahh, I see. I wasn't sure if you were getting OTC codeine or what, but I suppose I should have realized that was the case. Makes sense. From the other responses in this thread I think it would be safe to say you have approx. 3 days from the time of the extraction before it gets too nasty.

Fail Fighter mentioned in the post above mine adding ethanol to the solution would extend the shelf life by inhibiting bacterial growth, I guess regular old vodka would work just as well as anything else. I've never needed to store a CWE beyond 24 hours honestly, but I can understand if you need to do a CWE every time you dose why you would want to do it in advance. I guess you could store it for a few days in the fridge if you put vodka into the solution.

I've never actually had to do that, so I'm hoping someone else with a little more experience with storing CWEs can chime in here.

 

[Atheus]

Ahh, I see. I wasn't sure if you were getting OTC codeine or what, but I suppose I should have realized that was the case. Makes sense. From the other responses in this thread I think it would be safe to say you have approx. 3 days from the time of the extraction before it gets too nasty.

Fail Fighter mentioned in the post above mine adding ethanol to the solution would extend the shelf life by inhibiting bacterial growth, I guess regular old vodka would work just as well as anything else. I've never needed to store a CWE beyond 24 hours honestly, but I can understand if you need to do a CWE every time you dose why you would want to do it in advance. I guess you could store it for a few days in the fridge if you put vodka into the solution.

I've never actually had to do that, so I'm hoping someone else with a little more experience with storing CWEs can chime in here.

Ah - I'll try pure ethanol. To be absolutely honest, I just want to stay at a particular woman's house more often, and it's quite close to work but far away from my house so I can't just leave every night and go home... plus that's a but rude... and doing an extraction at her place is gonna make me look like a fucking junky. I never considered this a problem before I started using the CWE a few months ago. I guess I should really stop the codeine every night and just make do with a bit of booze, some benzos, and maybe some weed. Shit, I gave up meth before and I can deal with coke, so I should be able to go a few days without codeine/hydro without becoming some kind of shaking mess ffs... I guess I should find myself a good source and/or cut the habit down.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

buy some benzyl alcohol and add 1-2% of your total volume of CWE.. It will last a month outta the fridge and even longer in it.

EXAMPLE: if you have 100ml/cc of CWE you would add 1-2ml/cc benzyl alcohol to the extraction..

 

[Doug2113]

Just to clear up a few things...

Valium isn't an opioid; it's actually a benzodiazepine, which is used as an anti-anxiety medication-not a pain killer. I live in the US, so I'm not sure how your codeine OTC products are paired up with paracetamol over there (we don't even have OTC), but you said something about a dose being 1g of it, which, in the states, is actually the recommended dose. You shouldn't take more than 4g in a 24 hour period, but if you're taking it daily, you shouldn't go over 2.5g.

As far as your questioning of whether or not your oxycodone had paracetamol in it or not, there are website you can go to identify your pills (at least for the US). You normally just type in the imprint on the pill and maybe tell it the shape and color of the pill. Also, in the US, oxycodone without paracetamol is a VERY small, round pill, whereas, the ones with paracetamol are bigger and are in an oblong shape.

I'm also a little confused by your first post as you said that you don't buy street drugs anymore but you "just picked up some 95% [pure] coke." lol
I wouldn't be so sure that your coke is that pure. In fact, I would be highly skeptical that your cocaine is anywhere near that pure. Street drugs are cut to shit these days.

Hope that this helps a little bit.

 

[Atheus]

Just to clear up a few things...

Valium isn't an opioid; it's actually a benzodiazepine

Yea no you're so right! Sorry! I meant 'Vicodin' not 'Valium' - as in hydro/APAP - I have regular access to benzos and I was probably eating one when I wrote that so yea... I talked a load of bullshit there... similar spelling to Vico and was also drunk.... total mistake... newbies please ignore that if you're here for harm reduction! Apologies to all for dumbass post. I will edit that bit but leave the rest of the original unedited to admit my own stupidity unless admins think it may be hamful to others. Valium is a benzo like Xanax not an opiate/opioid, and not in the same family as hydro and codeine etc, hope that clears it up!

As far as your questioning of whether or not your oxycodone had paracetamol in it or not, there are website you can go to identify your pills (at least for the US). You normally just type in the imprint on the pill and maybe tell it the shape and color of the pill. Also, in the US, oxycodone without paracetamol is a VERY small, round pill, whereas, the ones with paracetamol are bigger and are in an oblong shape.

No that's cool - I know - my oxy was from a medical source. Pure as it gets. Extended release but I cut off but the 'wax' coating, crushed it, and snorted it with lines of good coke... exteremely good while those sources lasted... if I still had both in such quality I'd be in different place right now...

I'm also a little confused by your first post as you said that you don't buy street drugs anymore but you "just picked up some 95% [pure] coke." lol
I wouldn't be so sure that your coke is that pure. In fact, I would be highly skeptical that your cocaine is anywhere near that pure. Street drugs are cut to shit these days.

Hope that this helps a little bit.

Thanks - this coke is from one man I know who I trust - I have seen this shit tested in front of me and it's good. Or so good I know no better - and I am a scientist but not a chemist. Besides I could probably tell just from the effect/taste/etc if it's anything close to real. I think I undertand enough but perhaps that's just arrogance/ignorance. This particular batch of C was untouched by the guy one level up the food chain from my man who is quite connected himself - the other guy apparently refused to step on it as he was an addict and didn't want to open the box lol :/ - so my man sold it straight off the boat before he cut it for regular clients. Anyway I saw a test with my own eyes and it's good. As good as you can get in London anyway.

Are we allowed to mention sources?....

Anyway I may have come across quite the dumbass in that post but I'm only here when I'm wasted... which is quite often... so expect mistakes and please do pull me up if I say something stupid. I don't give a shit.

Cheers mate.

Y'all have a good night and be safe!... about to have my last rail of this good stuff, drink my hydro mix, eat benzos and antihistamines, and then have a beer a smoke of some decent skunk! Up at 9am UK time tomorrow... wish me luck!

- Atheus

 

[Atheus]

FYI just drank it after three days indoors in an airtight bag - no discoloration/bacteral infection evidence nor any strange taste. Will report shortly on degredation of effects if any. FYI it was ~350mg codeine in about 200ml clean water stored at room temp in British winter... 10-20C tops over the three days. Gave it a shake before drinking.

- Atheus

 

[Atheus]

buy some benzyl alcohol and add 1-2% of your total volume of CWE.. It will last a month outta the fridge and even longer in it.

EXAMPLE: if you have 100ml/cc of CWE you would add 1-2ml/cc benzyl alcohol to the extraction..

Excellent. Detail I like. Will try it and get back to you. Thanks!