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question for those that Tramadol works well for...

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A question for those that tramadol works well for:

The opiate conversion sticky states: 150mg tramadol = 30mg hydrocodone = 20mg oxycodone

Of course that is just a rough guide, but it seems really generous to me.

Even at it's best, to me 150mg tramadol is more like 10mg hydrocodone, but perhaps it doesn't work as well for me as I thought.

Is the sticky consistent with your experience or is it more like mine?
 
The only time tramadol has had ANY affect on me was following extensive abstinence from all substances (fresh out of rehab).

There are some that it works for, but personally, I would rather not take anything than tramadol, unless I am super dope sick.
 
You have to remember that tramadol is not a true, true opioid. It doesn't even have typical opioid effects. It's more of a stimulant, than an opioid, if you ask me.

Remember, read the disclaimer. Everybody is different and metabolizes drugs in different ways.
 
Is the sticky consistent with your experience or is it more like mine?
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How do we know what your experiences are? The sticky is compiled from medical sources, not people's experiences....that's why there's a disclaimer :)
 
NeighborhoodThreat said:
How do we know what your experiences are? The sticky is compiled from medical sources, not people's experiences....that's why there's a disclaimer :)
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Because it says in the post that in my best experiences 150mg of tramadol is more of an equivalent of 10mg of hydrocodone, rather than 30mg as the sticky says.

I know about the disclaimer and it being compiled from medical sources, that's the whole point of the question.

For example, the 1g of oxycodone being about 1.5g of hydrocodone is pretty consistent with both users and medical sources.

However, I do not know how people who use tramadol would compare it to those opiates. Since some people can not metabolize it properly, I was interested in hearing from those that it works well for. I had thought I was one of those people, but perhaps I am not if their experiences are more in line with the medical sources...

So, once again. If tramadol works well for you, how would you compare 150mg to either hydrocodone or oxycodone?




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I would not compare 150mg of Tramadol to 30mg of Hydrocodone. There is no opioid conversion charts available comparing Tramadol to other opiates so the chart is based on opinion.

30mg of Hydrocodone is equivalent to 30mg Morphine/20mg Oxycodone and 20mg of oxycodone feels more powerful than 150mg of Tramadol. Possibly 150mg Tramadol = 20mg Hydrocodone. And just like the chart provided, that is just my opinion. But the doses I'd compare may be biased because I don't enjoy Tramadol.
 
I would compare 400 mg of Tramadol to 300 mg of codeine for someone with little to no tolerance, but EXPERIENCE with opiates(opiods).

The highs are hard to compare because they just feel so different.
 
I wouldn't compare 150 mg of tramadol to 20 mg hydrocodone opiate wise at all... I take about 700-800 mg tramadol and at no point does it have an Similar effects to Codeine OR hydrocodone, the opiate effect that IS there is an Extremely subtle one and is heavily overshadowed by the stimulant effect which is what I like best about Tram. I would say 300 mg of tram MIGHT be like 10-15 mg hydrocodone but that's about it, and that being said theres really NO Opiate euphoria in tramadol to speak of, just a subtle opiate relaxation after a day of taking it. but the stimulatory effect of Tramadol is by far the most noticeable and enjoyable part of it for me. if your taking Tramadol for it's Opiate properties hoping to get an opiate type "high" from it, then you might as well move on to something else, because the Opiate Feeling from it is SO subtle that you can't even tell it's there until after a whole day of dosing and your about ready for bed then when you lay down you can feel it a little bit, but that's about it.
 
In terms of relieving pain, which is what I assume the medical conversion is relating it to, it's fairly accurate. Tramadol won't get you the opiate buzz but it will do it's analgesic job.
 
I've taken 400 mg only once before, but it did make me feel just a little bit... uh... seizurey. I wasn't all that nervous, surprisingly, but I did lie down in my bed until my hands stopped shaking and I felt a little less light-headed. It turned out OK, but honestly, and this isn't to upset or scare anyone, I would have to say that a dose 400 mg or greater truly does lower one's seizure threshold and that you can really feel the shakiness. It's a little disturbing.
 
I'd compare 100 mg tramadol against 10 mg oxycodone or 15 mg hydrocodone. I actually really love its effects, but it is different than other opioids.
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
I would not compare 150mg of Tramadol to 30mg of Hydrocodone. There is no opioid conversion charts available comparing Tramadol to other opiates so the chart is based on opinion.

30mg of Hydrocodone is equivalent to 30mg Morphine/20mg Oxycodone and 20mg of oxycodone feels more powerful than 150mg of Tramadol. Possibly 150mg Tramadol = 20mg Hydrocodone. And just like the chart provided, that is just my opinion. But the doses I'd compare may be biased because I don't enjoy Tramadol.
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No, we found sources stating 150 mg for tramadol. We put in a lot of research into this, we didn't just pull out the numbers from thin air. Also, there's a note on tramadol (it acts differently for almost everyone). Some find it as euphoric as heroin at 200 mg doses. Some find that it does nothing at 400 mg + doses.

The chart is we put together is sound and very good. Go to the link below and scroll down until you see the very first chart. It says 10 mg morphine PO = 50 mg tramadol PO (so 30 mg morphine = 150 mg tramadol). Orally, 30 mg morphine = 30 mg hydrocodone.

Go here:
http://www.emrpcc.org.au/Uploadlibrary/405204312EMRPCCOpioidConversion2010(Final).pdf
 
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Yeah Kokaino sorry to dredge this up again..but... I believe that You believe that the chart is sound and I'm sure that by all accounts it mostly is my dude but I take tramadol nearly everyday, and have actually been getting up to the 800-900 mg range per day... and I can say without a doubt that theres not really any amount of tramadol that equals any readable dosage of oxycodone.. I'm on 45 mg of oxycodone right now as we speak and there isn't an amount of tramadol I've ever taken that I would compare it too, now that being said... I find that after taking tramadol in upper ranges of 500-800 mg for all this time.. that this oxycodone has a Much less pronounced euphoria to it than it has ever had... I remember I would take 20 mg of oxy and feel euphoric, chatty and on top of the world.. but now even on 45 mg I feel warm and nice and slightly drowsy but none of the Euphoria that I remember... and I believe this is the highest amount of Oxy I've ever taken before..... but anyways... it has ruined my tolerance quite a bit.. but the effects are nowhere near comparable in my opinion
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Thanks for your input bpayne, the chart is not going to be 100% accurate for everyone and it doesn't take into account all of the different effects that different opioids have, some are going to be more noddy, some are going to be more stimulating, and some will work differently on different opiate receptors. As with all drugs YMMV and they won't do the same for everyone. The chart is meant to be a rough guide to equivalencies based, but each person is different and all of the drugs are not going to produce the same effects just because you have taken an "equivalent" dose.

I'm going to close this thread now as this is really a long thread about a matter of opinion and personal variances which could be discussed and speculated upon to death. There is a lot of good information in this thread and I think it served a good purpose, but I think the time for it to be closed has come.

Feel free to continue any discussions on this in the BDD Social and Information Booth v3 though.

If you have any problems with my closing of the thread or think that it should be reopened then shoot me a PM

Mugz :)
 
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